Manhunt

[NotCranky]

So, nobody has noticed the missing Cessna? Where did this plane land in Mexico? Some of that would be noticed. If he got to Mexico it was probably in the trunk of a car. Does he have grudge against the federales? I thought he was supposed to be hunting cops not running to Mexico? Who is going to hide him in Mexico? He sticks out big time.

If he is there, it wasn’t a good plan, unless he has massive organized help. How likely is that?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=bearishgurl][quote=ucodegen]…To get to Arizona, you can also go through Nevada then to Arizona..[/quote]

This is US 93, a mostly two-laner along the rim of the Hoover Dam, 35 mi SE of Las Vegas. A slow, comm’l truck-filled border crossing, this area is highly patrolled at ALL times. It would be only too easy to spot his vehicle there …[/quote]BTW, I forgot to mention.. it is no longer a two laner, and it no longer goes across the dam. The dam is now closed to cross traffic. [/quote]
[img_assist|nid=17140|title=Hover Dam from new Bypass Bridge|desc=|link=popup|align=center|width=199|height=133]

WOW, uco, I haven’t been on that road in a few years! How did they build that? It’s absolutely amazing ….

[quote=ucodegen][quote=bearishgurl]Since one of Dorner’s victims was the daughter of the attorney who, by his statement, “botched” his disciplinary hearing against the LAPD, I’m just wondering why he didn’t instead file a claim against the City and then sue for damages (and his job back) when the judge hearing his mandamus petition rubber-stamped the hearing officer’s decision (as they often do, to get the case off their docket). In doing so, the judge hearing his petition left it wide open for Dorner to take legal action against the City and LAPD.[/quote]True.. but look at it from his side. He is military trained, not legal. He is unfamiliar with the process of using the courts and after the last ‘judge’ issue.. he probably feels that he can not get justice through the courts. He probably thinks that after this last one, there is no more recourse through the courts. He is probably taking the only course of action that he feels that he can.[/quote]

I disagree. CA isn’t the “wild west.” The wheel was invented long ago.

The sole reason for filing the writ petition was to remand the case back to an administrative hearing with instructions or obtain a right to sue.

No aggrieved public employee or ex-employee would go through the time and expense of the writ without realizing they had a right to file a claim and sue if it was denied.

His lawyer would have fully explained all this to him. He wouldn’t have had to keep that lawyer for the trial.

I’ve watched aggrieved-public-employee court trials and can tell you that the “system” works.

But the employee must not be afraid to use it. They have to “stay on task” long after their termination.

Heads have rolled in organizations where the corrupt conduct of public officials and employees have cost them a small fortune in jury awards and settlement monies.

It is VERY difficult to overcome a jury award on appeal as … even though the justices have the trial transcript, they weren’t there and didn’t personally see the conduct of the witnesses and the expressions on jurors faces. They won’t nullify jury awards but may reduce them if they are excessive.

This doesn’t preclude the organization from appealing an adverse (to them) decision or verdict, however, and they often (frivolously) spend YOUR money to to do so. Meanwhile, the clock is running on back pay and interest after a jury reinstated the (still-unemployed) employee over a frivolous, corrupt and/or politically-motivated discharge.

These lengthy “skirmishes” happen more often than the general public (read: taxpayers) are likely aware of :=0

[spdrun]

Wouldn’t he have had to have money to pay a lawyer or one willing to work on contingency to “use the system?” (Not that this excuses his actions in any way.)

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar]So, nobody has noticed the missing Cessna? Where did this plane land in Mexico? Some of that would be noticed. If he got to Mexico it was probably in the trunk of a car. Does he have grudge against the federales? I thought he was supposed to be hunting cops not running to Mexico? Who is going to hide him in Mexico? He sticks out big time.

If he is there, it wasn’t a good plan, unless he has massive organized help. How likely is that?[/quote]

It wouldn’t be hard to land a Cessna deep in Mexico in a field and not be noticed. At least for a while.

I agree that, unless he has a lot of help, going to Mexico is a bad plan. But that’s the speculation by some authorities.

[spdrun]

Speaking theoretically, what’s the lowest/slowest a Cessna can fly? Deposit the package off a touristy beach in the early morning hours and have him swim to shore and walk out of the ocean like any number of other foreign tourists.

[desmond]

[quote=desmond]UCO,

The road his truck was on was dirt, when I said “one-way” I meant one-way in and the same way back to get out. I don’t think he would plan on using a road that he would have to come back the same way he went in. I saw that the truck was straight, but if you looked at the tire tracks behind the truck they burned through the snow and into dirt, so he was looing traction and buried the tires into the dirt/mud. Arizona? He knew he would have been spotted before he got to Bartsow. He is either freezing his ass off, buried in the ground hiding, dead, or in a cabin waiting for a shootout.[/quote]

I pretty much nailed this one down to all but the correct house address. I would keep bragging but then everyone would wonder how the heck does Desmond know so much about this kind of situation?????

[ucodegen]

[quote=zk]Authorities are now speculating that he might’ve fled to Mexico. What better way to get there unnoticed than in a Cessna? The DEA and ICE monitor northbound flights very closely. I’m not sure how closely they monitor southbound ones, but a clever operator could make it work.[/quote]They monitor both directions very tightly.. the return trip is for the money (which they need to ‘repatriate’).

I was surprised at how fast the police were able to put together a task force to hit a hotel on speculation of him being there in Mexico… but for the rest of us, we are screwed…

[quote=bearishgurl]WOW, uco, I haven’t been on that road in a few years! How did they build that? It’s absolutely amazing ….[/quote]It was kind of impressive.. they cantilevered the concrete casting. I have pictures of it being built as well as other pictures of it from other angles.. and at much better resolution if anyone is curious.

[quote=bearishgurl]I disagree. CA isn’t the “wild west.” The wheel was invented long ago.

The sole reason for filing the writ petition was to remand the case back to an administrative hearing with instructions or obtain a right to sue.[/quote]I don’t disagree with the “wild west” being long past.. unfortunately that is Dorner’s mentality..
[quote=bearishgurl]His lawyer would have fully explained all this to him. He wouldn’t have had to keep that lawyer for the trial.[/quote]Hopefully his lawyer did.. but from what I read, it wasn’t a “standard court”. One of Dorner’s accusations was that his attorney/police representative did not properly represent him.

[quote=spdrun]Speaking theoretically, what’s the lowest/slowest a Cessna can fly? Deposit the package off a touristy beach in the early morning hours and have him swim to shore and walk out of the ocean like any number of other foreign tourists.[/quote]
Depends upon the “Cessna”. I am assuming you are using “Cessna” to refer to any small aircraft. There is competition in Alaska on the ‘tundra planes’, I think “Cubs”.. on the shortest takeoff and landings. There is one of these planes flying out of Montgomery field.. Its yellow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilb55F-GGQg

NOTE: There is now a Dorner “Situation” over in “Big Bear”. Supposedly broke into a house, tied the occupants up, stole their truck. And seems to be holed up in a house in the canyon between Big Bear and Gorgonio. Location approx 34.186601,-116.915016. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34.186601,-116.915016&ll=34.186654,-116.915023&spn=0.001784,0.002443&num=1&t=h&z=19

Looks like he walked over the ridge between Bear Mtn and Snowsummit.. probably Sugarloaf Truck Trail, Radford Camp Rd, 2N10, Moonridge Truck Trail.

[NotCranky]

[quote=desmond][quote=desmond]UCO,

The road his truck was on was dirt, when I said “one-way” I meant one-way in and the same way back to get out. I don’t think he would plan on using a road that he would have to come back the same way he went in. I saw that the truck was straight, but if you looked at the tire tracks behind the truck they burned through the snow and into dirt, so he was looing traction and buried the tires into the dirt/mud. Arizona? He knew he would have been spotted before he got to Bartsow. He is either freezing his ass off, buried in the ground hiding, dead, or in a cabin waiting for a shootout.[/quote]

I pretty much nailed this one down to all but the correct house address. I would keep bragging but then everyone would wonder how the heck does Desmond know so much about this kind of situation?????[/quote]

All you had to do was avoid too many highly improbable scenarios to know that the odds were that he was up there.

[desmond]

That’s really petty BS, go back and read my posts on this and then tell me that. I actually told my wife before they found his truck up in BB that he was headed for the mountains. I thought he would head up the 15 to the 138 and then go west and up from there. She thought I was a little weird when they found him up in BB.

[NotCranky]

[quote=desmond]That’s really petty BS, go back and read my posts on this and then tell me that. I actually told my wife before they found his truck up in BB that he was headed for the mountains. I thought he would head up the 15 to the 138 and then go west and up from there. She thought I was a little weird when they found him up in BB.[/quote]
Don’t know why you have a problem with what I said. I agreed with you when you said he was up there. I won’t be surprised if the cops knew about the hostage situation all along too. Won’t be surprised if they didn’t , but they may have(which would go with my post about his location being known and him being trapped). If they did know, they handled it well in that the civilians didn’t get hurt. Too bad what happened to the deputies. If they didn’t know, that doesn’t look to good for whoever was supposed to find him up there. They knew, final answer.

Anyway, heroic call, Desmond, accolades for you.

[desmond]

They did not know where he was at anytime until today. That is my call. No way. Anyway, thanks for the accolades. btw that is one of my favorite sayings, “do you need accolades for that” I say to my wife and kids when something pretty weak gets done. Only fitting somebody says it to me………..lol, good one.

[ucodegen]

If that was him in the cabin, he did not use ‘all of is training’. It does not take too long to get out of Big Bear.. and the amount of time it takes to locate/ID the vehicle followed by alerting and closing roads would give him enough to get out. That was one heck of a slog going over the mountains.. since 7 Oaks area is technically not Big Bear (its half way between Big Bear and Gorgonio).

[NotCranky]

How do a few people get held hostage for several days in the place of one of the largest manhunts in history and nobody knows about it?

If I am right about this, I want my accolades back. If not, like I said, blame the police for that!

[Coronita]

Me thinks he got away…Probably waiting for nightfall to move out…

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/

[bearishgurl]

methinks this isn’t going to end well … for anybody.

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