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April 14, 2008 at 10:26 PM #187316April 15, 2008 at 7:32 AM #187421EconProfParticipant
BobS
I’d like to propose a “third way” strategy for renters and about-to-be-foreclosed upon landlords.
Instead of the typical adversarial relationship these two parties see themselves as being in, the fact is that they need each other at this critical time. The owner especially needs the tenant to keep paying rent right up to the time he loses ownership. The tenant presumably wants to keep on renting, but is understandably worried about getting his deposit back, plus having to move abruptly.
The landlord should propose a deal at this point. First, make full disclosure that foreclosure will occur, outline the minimum timeline, but point out that it could be much longer given the backup lenders face. To reassure the tenant that they will get their deposit back, reduce the rent for the next 3 months by exactly 1/3 of the current deposit. Do this in writing, as an ammendment to the contract.
Advantage to owner: tenant stays a while & rightfully gets back their deposit. No need to have a vacancy for a while or unethically con some dupe into renting for a few months.
Advantage to tenant: increased cash flow, assurance of deposit return, freedom from having to clean up or fix any damage already existing on property. Also, high possibility of “cash for keys” upon leaving. Altogether a win-win for all parties…even the lender who can immediately take over a REO that has not been vacant for a long period and possibly vandalized.
What do you think Piggs…especially lawyers and landlords?April 15, 2008 at 7:32 AM #187440EconProfParticipantBobS
I’d like to propose a “third way” strategy for renters and about-to-be-foreclosed upon landlords.
Instead of the typical adversarial relationship these two parties see themselves as being in, the fact is that they need each other at this critical time. The owner especially needs the tenant to keep paying rent right up to the time he loses ownership. The tenant presumably wants to keep on renting, but is understandably worried about getting his deposit back, plus having to move abruptly.
The landlord should propose a deal at this point. First, make full disclosure that foreclosure will occur, outline the minimum timeline, but point out that it could be much longer given the backup lenders face. To reassure the tenant that they will get their deposit back, reduce the rent for the next 3 months by exactly 1/3 of the current deposit. Do this in writing, as an ammendment to the contract.
Advantage to owner: tenant stays a while & rightfully gets back their deposit. No need to have a vacancy for a while or unethically con some dupe into renting for a few months.
Advantage to tenant: increased cash flow, assurance of deposit return, freedom from having to clean up or fix any damage already existing on property. Also, high possibility of “cash for keys” upon leaving. Altogether a win-win for all parties…even the lender who can immediately take over a REO that has not been vacant for a long period and possibly vandalized.
What do you think Piggs…especially lawyers and landlords?April 15, 2008 at 7:32 AM #187471EconProfParticipantBobS
I’d like to propose a “third way” strategy for renters and about-to-be-foreclosed upon landlords.
Instead of the typical adversarial relationship these two parties see themselves as being in, the fact is that they need each other at this critical time. The owner especially needs the tenant to keep paying rent right up to the time he loses ownership. The tenant presumably wants to keep on renting, but is understandably worried about getting his deposit back, plus having to move abruptly.
The landlord should propose a deal at this point. First, make full disclosure that foreclosure will occur, outline the minimum timeline, but point out that it could be much longer given the backup lenders face. To reassure the tenant that they will get their deposit back, reduce the rent for the next 3 months by exactly 1/3 of the current deposit. Do this in writing, as an ammendment to the contract.
Advantage to owner: tenant stays a while & rightfully gets back their deposit. No need to have a vacancy for a while or unethically con some dupe into renting for a few months.
Advantage to tenant: increased cash flow, assurance of deposit return, freedom from having to clean up or fix any damage already existing on property. Also, high possibility of “cash for keys” upon leaving. Altogether a win-win for all parties…even the lender who can immediately take over a REO that has not been vacant for a long period and possibly vandalized.
What do you think Piggs…especially lawyers and landlords?April 15, 2008 at 7:32 AM #187478EconProfParticipantBobS
I’d like to propose a “third way” strategy for renters and about-to-be-foreclosed upon landlords.
Instead of the typical adversarial relationship these two parties see themselves as being in, the fact is that they need each other at this critical time. The owner especially needs the tenant to keep paying rent right up to the time he loses ownership. The tenant presumably wants to keep on renting, but is understandably worried about getting his deposit back, plus having to move abruptly.
The landlord should propose a deal at this point. First, make full disclosure that foreclosure will occur, outline the minimum timeline, but point out that it could be much longer given the backup lenders face. To reassure the tenant that they will get their deposit back, reduce the rent for the next 3 months by exactly 1/3 of the current deposit. Do this in writing, as an ammendment to the contract.
Advantage to owner: tenant stays a while & rightfully gets back their deposit. No need to have a vacancy for a while or unethically con some dupe into renting for a few months.
Advantage to tenant: increased cash flow, assurance of deposit return, freedom from having to clean up or fix any damage already existing on property. Also, high possibility of “cash for keys” upon leaving. Altogether a win-win for all parties…even the lender who can immediately take over a REO that has not been vacant for a long period and possibly vandalized.
What do you think Piggs…especially lawyers and landlords?April 15, 2008 at 7:32 AM #187484EconProfParticipantBobS
I’d like to propose a “third way” strategy for renters and about-to-be-foreclosed upon landlords.
Instead of the typical adversarial relationship these two parties see themselves as being in, the fact is that they need each other at this critical time. The owner especially needs the tenant to keep paying rent right up to the time he loses ownership. The tenant presumably wants to keep on renting, but is understandably worried about getting his deposit back, plus having to move abruptly.
The landlord should propose a deal at this point. First, make full disclosure that foreclosure will occur, outline the minimum timeline, but point out that it could be much longer given the backup lenders face. To reassure the tenant that they will get their deposit back, reduce the rent for the next 3 months by exactly 1/3 of the current deposit. Do this in writing, as an ammendment to the contract.
Advantage to owner: tenant stays a while & rightfully gets back their deposit. No need to have a vacancy for a while or unethically con some dupe into renting for a few months.
Advantage to tenant: increased cash flow, assurance of deposit return, freedom from having to clean up or fix any damage already existing on property. Also, high possibility of “cash for keys” upon leaving. Altogether a win-win for all parties…even the lender who can immediately take over a REO that has not been vacant for a long period and possibly vandalized.
What do you think Piggs…especially lawyers and landlords?April 15, 2008 at 7:53 AM #187427pnileshParticipantsvferris,
Simple solution to the problem: you should also stop paying him..
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April 15, 2008 at 7:53 AM #187447pnileshParticipantsvferris,
Simple solution to the problem: you should also stop paying him..
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April 15, 2008 at 7:53 AM #187477pnileshParticipantsvferris,
Simple solution to the problem: you should also stop paying him..
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April 15, 2008 at 7:53 AM #187483pnileshParticipantsvferris,
Simple solution to the problem: you should also stop paying him..
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April 15, 2008 at 7:53 AM #187489pnileshParticipantsvferris,
Simple solution to the problem: you should also stop paying him..
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April 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM #187437Ex-SDParticipantSince your lease expired, you’re on a month to month rental with a 30 day notice (by you or the landlord.) I would pay my rent but when it came time to leave, and I gave my 30 days notice, I would inform the landlord that since you would have no recourse but to sue him in small claims court if he doesn’t return your security deposit, you are deducting the security deposit from the final months rent. This puts the onus on the landlord to take you to small claims court if he believes you owe him any money, However if he is in default, he’s not going to have anything much in the way of a legal standing and even if he did, he’s not likely to pursue it.
Just my two centsApril 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM #187499Ex-SDParticipantSince your lease expired, you’re on a month to month rental with a 30 day notice (by you or the landlord.) I would pay my rent but when it came time to leave, and I gave my 30 days notice, I would inform the landlord that since you would have no recourse but to sue him in small claims court if he doesn’t return your security deposit, you are deducting the security deposit from the final months rent. This puts the onus on the landlord to take you to small claims court if he believes you owe him any money, However if he is in default, he’s not going to have anything much in the way of a legal standing and even if he did, he’s not likely to pursue it.
Just my two centsApril 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM #187493Ex-SDParticipantSince your lease expired, you’re on a month to month rental with a 30 day notice (by you or the landlord.) I would pay my rent but when it came time to leave, and I gave my 30 days notice, I would inform the landlord that since you would have no recourse but to sue him in small claims court if he doesn’t return your security deposit, you are deducting the security deposit from the final months rent. This puts the onus on the landlord to take you to small claims court if he believes you owe him any money, However if he is in default, he’s not going to have anything much in the way of a legal standing and even if he did, he’s not likely to pursue it.
Just my two centsApril 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM #187487Ex-SDParticipantSince your lease expired, you’re on a month to month rental with a 30 day notice (by you or the landlord.) I would pay my rent but when it came time to leave, and I gave my 30 days notice, I would inform the landlord that since you would have no recourse but to sue him in small claims court if he doesn’t return your security deposit, you are deducting the security deposit from the final months rent. This puts the onus on the landlord to take you to small claims court if he believes you owe him any money, However if he is in default, he’s not going to have anything much in the way of a legal standing and even if he did, he’s not likely to pursue it.
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