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[NotCranky]

Hi Allan,
A friend of mine was talking about how Reagan created the bubble in the defense industry specifically aerospace that lead to the SOCAL economy, including housing that wasn’t really incredibly overheated, to suffer a fairly severe setback in the late 1980’s. IF you get back on this thread could you let me know what you think on that topic. thanks. If this is true was he beholden to some profiteers as politicians often are?

BTW please be patient with me, what I lack in spelling grammar, punctuation and social etiquette I make up for integrity, depth, and concern for my fellow man.I am also no dummy. In exchange I will be patient with you for having expectations that others meet your ideals to qualify as “the right kind”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I would definitely agree with that sentiment. I grew up in the SF/Bay Area, and my dad was an aerospace engineer with Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto working on defense projects (the IntelSat program). I mention the Bay Area because Silicon Valley’s dirty little secret was that defense dollars funded most of those “entrepreneurial” little start ups in the 1970s and early 1980s.

During the height of the Cold War, a good segment of both California’s (Southern and Northern) economies were dependent on defense spending. I would certainly opine that housing prices were driven by that reality, and given that Reagan spent the Russians into oblivion during the closing years of the Cold War, well, it would stand to reason that he bears a large amount of the responsibility.

It is something of a paradox in my mind, because I credit him for having the cojones to stare the Soviets down and ultimately put them out of business, but he did so at a very high price, both in terms of blood and treasure.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I would definitely agree with that sentiment. I grew up in the SF/Bay Area, and my dad was an aerospace engineer with Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto working on defense projects (the IntelSat program). I mention the Bay Area because Silicon Valley’s dirty little secret was that defense dollars funded most of those “entrepreneurial” little start ups in the 1970s and early 1980s.

During the height of the Cold War, a good segment of both California’s (Southern and Northern) economies were dependent on defense spending. I would certainly opine that housing prices were driven by that reality, and given that Reagan spent the Russians into oblivion during the closing years of the Cold War, well, it would stand to reason that he bears a large amount of the responsibility.

It is something of a paradox in my mind, because I credit him for having the cojones to stare the Soviets down and ultimately put them out of business, but he did so at a very high price, both in terms of blood and treasure.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I would definitely agree with that sentiment. I grew up in the SF/Bay Area, and my dad was an aerospace engineer with Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto working on defense projects (the IntelSat program). I mention the Bay Area because Silicon Valley’s dirty little secret was that defense dollars funded most of those “entrepreneurial” little start ups in the 1970s and early 1980s.

During the height of the Cold War, a good segment of both California’s (Southern and Northern) economies were dependent on defense spending. I would certainly opine that housing prices were driven by that reality, and given that Reagan spent the Russians into oblivion during the closing years of the Cold War, well, it would stand to reason that he bears a large amount of the responsibility.

It is something of a paradox in my mind, because I credit him for having the cojones to stare the Soviets down and ultimately put them out of business, but he did so at a very high price, both in terms of blood and treasure.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I would definitely agree with that sentiment. I grew up in the SF/Bay Area, and my dad was an aerospace engineer with Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto working on defense projects (the IntelSat program). I mention the Bay Area because Silicon Valley’s dirty little secret was that defense dollars funded most of those “entrepreneurial” little start ups in the 1970s and early 1980s.

During the height of the Cold War, a good segment of both California’s (Southern and Northern) economies were dependent on defense spending. I would certainly opine that housing prices were driven by that reality, and given that Reagan spent the Russians into oblivion during the closing years of the Cold War, well, it would stand to reason that he bears a large amount of the responsibility.

It is something of a paradox in my mind, because I credit him for having the cojones to stare the Soviets down and ultimately put them out of business, but he did so at a very high price, both in terms of blood and treasure.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I would definitely agree with that sentiment. I grew up in the SF/Bay Area, and my dad was an aerospace engineer with Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto working on defense projects (the IntelSat program). I mention the Bay Area because Silicon Valley’s dirty little secret was that defense dollars funded most of those “entrepreneurial” little start ups in the 1970s and early 1980s.

During the height of the Cold War, a good segment of both California’s (Southern and Northern) economies were dependent on defense spending. I would certainly opine that housing prices were driven by that reality, and given that Reagan spent the Russians into oblivion during the closing years of the Cold War, well, it would stand to reason that he bears a large amount of the responsibility.

It is something of a paradox in my mind, because I credit him for having the cojones to stare the Soviets down and ultimately put them out of business, but he did so at a very high price, both in terms of blood and treasure.

[NotCranky]

Allan,
Yep it makes sense, everybody’s legacy is going to be a mixed bag with varying content. I will endeavor to learn more about the man(Reagan).If you are a fan I know,at the least he is not all bad. I guess it was time to decide who would be the super power,for better or for worse and he was pivotal in that and so was the fact that that Russia was bluffing worse than he was. Like you I think I have learned everything I need to know about the current president.
Best wishes
Rus

[NotCranky]

Allan,
Yep it makes sense, everybody’s legacy is going to be a mixed bag with varying content. I will endeavor to learn more about the man(Reagan).If you are a fan I know,at the least he is not all bad. I guess it was time to decide who would be the super power,for better or for worse and he was pivotal in that and so was the fact that that Russia was bluffing worse than he was. Like you I think I have learned everything I need to know about the current president.
Best wishes
Rus

[NotCranky]

Allan,
Yep it makes sense, everybody’s legacy is going to be a mixed bag with varying content. I will endeavor to learn more about the man(Reagan).If you are a fan I know,at the least he is not all bad. I guess it was time to decide who would be the super power,for better or for worse and he was pivotal in that and so was the fact that that Russia was bluffing worse than he was. Like you I think I have learned everything I need to know about the current president.
Best wishes
Rus

[NotCranky]

Allan,
Yep it makes sense, everybody’s legacy is going to be a mixed bag with varying content. I will endeavor to learn more about the man(Reagan).If you are a fan I know,at the least he is not all bad. I guess it was time to decide who would be the super power,for better or for worse and he was pivotal in that and so was the fact that that Russia was bluffing worse than he was. Like you I think I have learned everything I need to know about the current president.
Best wishes
Rus

[NotCranky]

Allan,
Yep it makes sense, everybody’s legacy is going to be a mixed bag with varying content. I will endeavor to learn more about the man(Reagan).If you are a fan I know,at the least he is not all bad. I guess it was time to decide who would be the super power,for better or for worse and he was pivotal in that and so was the fact that that Russia was bluffing worse than he was. Like you I think I have learned everything I need to know about the current president.
Best wishes
Rus

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I wouldn’t say I was a fan of Reagan’s, rather I was supportive of his policies. I did believe that the Russians were a threat to us and the free world, a belief that is supported by Putin’s policies in present day Russia.

Following Carter’s disastrous Presidency, something had to change regarding America’s position in the world, and I think Reagan was the right guy in the right place at the right time.

As a Republican, I am very disappointed in Bush, but not surprised. I think anybody with the wherewithal to do a little research, and read a little news, would have seen what Bush was about, and well before he took office.

Ultimately, the people are responsible for those we elect, and Bush is our responsibility (those that voted for him, that is).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I wouldn’t say I was a fan of Reagan’s, rather I was supportive of his policies. I did believe that the Russians were a threat to us and the free world, a belief that is supported by Putin’s policies in present day Russia.

Following Carter’s disastrous Presidency, something had to change regarding America’s position in the world, and I think Reagan was the right guy in the right place at the right time.

As a Republican, I am very disappointed in Bush, but not surprised. I think anybody with the wherewithal to do a little research, and read a little news, would have seen what Bush was about, and well before he took office.

Ultimately, the people are responsible for those we elect, and Bush is our responsibility (those that voted for him, that is).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I wouldn’t say I was a fan of Reagan’s, rather I was supportive of his policies. I did believe that the Russians were a threat to us and the free world, a belief that is supported by Putin’s policies in present day Russia.

Following Carter’s disastrous Presidency, something had to change regarding America’s position in the world, and I think Reagan was the right guy in the right place at the right time.

As a Republican, I am very disappointed in Bush, but not surprised. I think anybody with the wherewithal to do a little research, and read a little news, would have seen what Bush was about, and well before he took office.

Ultimately, the people are responsible for those we elect, and Bush is our responsibility (those that voted for him, that is).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: I wouldn’t say I was a fan of Reagan’s, rather I was supportive of his policies. I did believe that the Russians were a threat to us and the free world, a belief that is supported by Putin’s policies in present day Russia.

Following Carter’s disastrous Presidency, something had to change regarding America’s position in the world, and I think Reagan was the right guy in the right place at the right time.

As a Republican, I am very disappointed in Bush, but not surprised. I think anybody with the wherewithal to do a little research, and read a little news, would have seen what Bush was about, and well before he took office.

Ultimately, the people are responsible for those we elect, and Bush is our responsibility (those that voted for him, that is).

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