Idiot SUV owners have trouble selling

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I agree with raptor and DWCAP – its all about the driver. The fact is – when you collide with a SUV – you are much more likely to be the one dead, dismembered, disfigured, injured. The rollover and the braking argument – these are things YOU as the driver of your SUV/CUV can control with the way you choose to drive. What you cannot control is the idiot driver who smashes into you or broadsides you. Therefore I’m going to go with the odds that I’m not an idiot and can drive my vehicle safely versus relying on others not to hit me.

Unfortunately, since these statistics hold true, people will choose to protect themselves and drive bigger cars so they don’t end up getting crushed by a SUV.

I drive a crossover and get better mileage than some of my friends in non SUV or CUV gas guzzling V8s car that have smaller bodies than mine.

What do you SUV loathing ones propose we do to remove the majority of SUVs off the road? Do you think that people will just “choose” to do it on their own? I’m not big on government regulating our choices, but I’m afraid in this situation, it has to occur top down. I posted a link to the Nova piece on the future of cars that you can watch online if you didn’t catch it on PBS a few weeks ago in another thread.

Why are car companies not investing in other materials that while may be more expensive, are far more durable and far more efficient? Maybe because their entire manufacturing process and investment is a sunk cost? Something like 80%-90% of your energy used occurs between your engine and your front tire. This is an excerpt of the interview that you don’t have to sacrifice car size or car safety to increase efficiency.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/greene.html

“Over the next 10 or 12 years, we can increase new vehicle efficiency by another 50 percent without having to make smaller vehicles, just by making more efficient engines, more efficient transmissions, slipperier shapes, reduced rolling resistance, and taking some weight out of cars with material substitution. [See Model of Efficiency for more details.]”

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DWCAP,

I posted earlier about flaws in IIHS fatality data that they admit; namely that data is not normalized for all demographics. About 60-70% of deaths are caused by male drivers, most of them young, probably drinking/speeding,etc.
If we banned all Hondas (great idea) for males under 30 and forced them into Expeditions or 750iLs would total death rates go down? Vast majority of big vehicles driven by females(minvans), they are richer and older than average drivers (>35). So is it the car or the driver? How but both.

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DWCAP,

I posted earlier about flaws in IIHS fatality data that they admit; namely that data is not normalized for all demographics. About 60-70% of deaths are caused by male drivers, most of them young, probably drinking/speeding,etc.
If we banned all Hondas (great idea) for males under 30 and forced them into Expeditions or 750iLs would total death rates go down? Vast majority of big vehicles driven by females(minvans), they are richer and older than average drivers (>35). So is it the car or the driver? How but both.

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DWCAP,

I posted earlier about flaws in IIHS fatality data that they admit; namely that data is not normalized for all demographics. About 60-70% of deaths are caused by male drivers, most of them young, probably drinking/speeding,etc.
If we banned all Hondas (great idea) for males under 30 and forced them into Expeditions or 750iLs would total death rates go down? Vast majority of big vehicles driven by females(minvans), they are richer and older than average drivers (>35). So is it the car or the driver? How but both.

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DWCAP,

I posted earlier about flaws in IIHS fatality data that they admit; namely that data is not normalized for all demographics. About 60-70% of deaths are caused by male drivers, most of them young, probably drinking/speeding,etc.
If we banned all Hondas (great idea) for males under 30 and forced them into Expeditions or 750iLs would total death rates go down? Vast majority of big vehicles driven by females(minvans), they are richer and older than average drivers (>35). So is it the car or the driver? How but both.

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DWCAP,

I posted earlier about flaws in IIHS fatality data that they admit; namely that data is not normalized for all demographics. About 60-70% of deaths are caused by male drivers, most of them young, probably drinking/speeding,etc.
If we banned all Hondas (great idea) for males under 30 and forced them into Expeditions or 750iLs would total death rates go down? Vast majority of big vehicles driven by females(minvans), they are richer and older than average drivers (>35). So is it the car or the driver? How but both.

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FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) -- American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

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FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) -- American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

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FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) -- American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

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FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) -- American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

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FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) -- American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

[Coronita]

FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 – 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) — American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

 

Sorry, i should have clarified. I was speaking in context to the $30-40k car market, as was the approximate range of buyers who spend this much on "luxury" cars and/or SUVs.  Honda's Acura brand is deeply in trouble. There is no competitive story here. RL is a disaster, TSX sales are in trouble and the new release is lukewarm, and TL sales aren't doing so great either. Sales down 16% from 1 yr. That's bad for a luxury brand, because if the image doesn't shape up, it's going to get a lot worse. 

They are better off closing that brand imho or going upscale.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/01/by-the-numbers-march-2008/

 

Regarding the accident involving the red civic in Torrey Highland. What happened was actually two events

1) Red civic riceboy was trying to "drift" the car and was traveling excessive speed down Torrey Santa Fe Roadclose to 90mph while entering an apex to initiate the drift. Idiot riceboy (sorry, this guy was an idiot), obviously loses control of his car and "drifts" into an oncoming car (Lexus).

2)Minutes later, a driver DUI driving I believe a toyota camry plows into the existing wreckage.

That's how it happened. And I (had) pictures of the aftermath.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/15663161/detail.html

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 – 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) — American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

 

Sorry, i should have clarified. I was speaking in context to the $30-40k car market, as was the approximate range of buyers who spend this much on "luxury" cars and/or SUVs.  Honda's Acura brand is deeply in trouble. There is no competitive story here. RL is a disaster, TSX sales are in trouble and the new release is lukewarm, and TL sales aren't doing so great either. Sales down 16% from 1 yr. That's bad for a luxury brand, because if the image doesn't shape up, it's going to get a lot worse. 

They are better off closing that brand imho or going upscale.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/01/by-the-numbers-march-2008/

 

Regarding the accident involving the red civic in Torrey Highland. What happened was actually two events

1) Red civic riceboy was trying to "drift" the car and was traveling excessive speed down Torrey Santa Fe Roadclose to 90mph while entering an apex to initiate the drift. Idiot riceboy (sorry, this guy was an idiot), obviously loses control of his car and "drifts" into an oncoming car (Lexus).

2)Minutes later, a driver DUI driving I believe a toyota camry plows into the existing wreckage.

That's how it happened. And I (had) pictures of the aftermath.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/15663161/detail.html

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 – 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) — American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

 

Sorry, i should have clarified. I was speaking in context to the $30-40k car market, as was the approximate range of buyers who spend this much on "luxury" cars and/or SUVs.  Honda's Acura brand is deeply in trouble. There is no competitive story here. RL is a disaster, TSX sales are in trouble and the new release is lukewarm, and TL sales aren't doing so great either. Sales down 16% from 1 yr. That's bad for a luxury brand, because if the image doesn't shape up, it's going to get a lot worse. 

They are better off closing that brand imho or going upscale.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/01/by-the-numbers-march-2008/

 

Regarding the accident involving the red civic in Torrey Highland. What happened was actually two events

1) Red civic riceboy was trying to "drift" the car and was traveling excessive speed down Torrey Santa Fe Roadclose to 90mph while entering an apex to initiate the drift. Idiot riceboy (sorry, this guy was an idiot), obviously loses control of his car and "drifts" into an oncoming car (Lexus).

2)Minutes later, a driver DUI driving I believe a toyota camry plows into the existing wreckage.

That's how it happened. And I (had) pictures of the aftermath.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/15663161/detail.html

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

FLU,

Where you getting Honda info? See below.

BTW, that Honda at 90mph+, where did you get that info? I heard they were drunk and there were racing decal on the card. Ban those honda now for males<30 if you care about them.

By Associated Press Monday, May 05, 2008 – 03:17 PM

TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) — American Honda said today its April U.S. auto sales rose as higher demand for the automaker's small cars offset a drop in sales of light trucks.

Honda sold 135,180 vehicles in April, up 6.9 percent from 126,419 in April 2007.

Car sales jumped 16 percent as demand for the Accord rose 19.7 percent and sales of the Civic rose 17.2 percent.

Sales of light trucks fell 4.8 percent as demand for the Alabama-built Pilot dropped 30.9 percent and sales of the Element fell 14.9 percent.

So far this year, Honda sales are up 1.5 percent from the same period of 2007.

Honda's U.S. shares fell 13 cents to $32.97 in midday trading.

 

Sorry, i should have clarified. I was speaking in context to the $30-40k car market, as was the approximate range of buyers who spend this much on "luxury" cars and/or SUVs.  Honda's Acura brand is deeply in trouble. There is no competitive story here. RL is a disaster, TSX sales are in trouble and the new release is lukewarm, and TL sales aren't doing so great either. Sales down 16% from 1 yr. That's bad for a luxury brand, because if the image doesn't shape up, it's going to get a lot worse. 

They are better off closing that brand imho or going upscale.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/01/by-the-numbers-march-2008/

 

Regarding the accident involving the red civic in Torrey Highland. What happened was actually two events

1) Red civic riceboy was trying to "drift" the car and was traveling excessive speed down Torrey Santa Fe Roadclose to 90mph while entering an apex to initiate the drift. Idiot riceboy (sorry, this guy was an idiot), obviously loses control of his car and "drifts" into an oncoming car (Lexus).

2)Minutes later, a driver DUI driving I believe a toyota camry plows into the existing wreckage.

That's how it happened. And I (had) pictures of the aftermath.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/15663161/detail.html

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

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