HS teacher-$70K for 9 months of work

[sdcellar]

Bingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.

Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).

Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.

I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.

[CDMA ENG]

UCGal had a good point on the specifically trained math/physics teacher but the arguement to me was the differences in the difficulties of the circulum. Math teachers stand out and that is why they are paid a differential (at least in Vegas they are don’t know about here).

But I was not arguing about the engineers getting higher rates for stress. That is part and partial to our gig.

However I do think we should pay teachers better for stress. The stress of what they do is rough. Also better pay would attract better talent into the field but with that bar should be raised.

In general, the greater the stress or risk, the more we reward a position (and I mean any occupation).

CE

[CDMA ENG]

UCGal had a good point on the specifically trained math/physics teacher but the arguement to me was the differences in the difficulties of the circulum. Math teachers stand out and that is why they are paid a differential (at least in Vegas they are don’t know about here).

But I was not arguing about the engineers getting higher rates for stress. That is part and partial to our gig.

However I do think we should pay teachers better for stress. The stress of what they do is rough. Also better pay would attract better talent into the field but with that bar should be raised.

In general, the greater the stress or risk, the more we reward a position (and I mean any occupation).

CE

[CDMA ENG]

UCGal had a good point on the specifically trained math/physics teacher but the arguement to me was the differences in the difficulties of the circulum. Math teachers stand out and that is why they are paid a differential (at least in Vegas they are don’t know about here).

But I was not arguing about the engineers getting higher rates for stress. That is part and partial to our gig.

However I do think we should pay teachers better for stress. The stress of what they do is rough. Also better pay would attract better talent into the field but with that bar should be raised.

In general, the greater the stress or risk, the more we reward a position (and I mean any occupation).

CE

[CDMA ENG]

UCGal had a good point on the specifically trained math/physics teacher but the arguement to me was the differences in the difficulties of the circulum. Math teachers stand out and that is why they are paid a differential (at least in Vegas they are don’t know about here).

But I was not arguing about the engineers getting higher rates for stress. That is part and partial to our gig.

However I do think we should pay teachers better for stress. The stress of what they do is rough. Also better pay would attract better talent into the field but with that bar should be raised.

In general, the greater the stress or risk, the more we reward a position (and I mean any occupation).

CE

[CDMA ENG]

UCGal had a good point on the specifically trained math/physics teacher but the arguement to me was the differences in the difficulties of the circulum. Math teachers stand out and that is why they are paid a differential (at least in Vegas they are don’t know about here).

But I was not arguing about the engineers getting higher rates for stress. That is part and partial to our gig.

However I do think we should pay teachers better for stress. The stress of what they do is rough. Also better pay would attract better talent into the field but with that bar should be raised.

In general, the greater the stress or risk, the more we reward a position (and I mean any occupation).

CE

[urbanrealtor]

CE[/quote][quote=CDMA ENG]

Your the one that is ignorant. Your ingnorant because you did not read what I said. I never said that teachers aren’t hard working. Never. I said that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.
CE[/quote]
No.
I did read it.
My dispute with you was about academics.
The hours per week part was not meant for you specifically.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I have worked in the education field albiet not as a certified teacher. I have worked on the Pima Indian reservation in Arizona until the casino was put on the reservation they were all dirt poor. I work there before the Casino when it was still dangerous for white people to even be on the Res (admittedly I was not viewed as white due to deep tan from working construction and long black hair… Yes Im a dude). We use to entice them into studying by feeding the poor kids. So yes I do know what the stress level can be of a teacher tutoring impovrised kids from broken homes. For god sakes I tutored the Osif Childern whose parents chopped up the mail-lady in Dec of 84’and sparked the largest FBI manhunt of the time. Those kids were screwed up. BUT stress levels and academics are not the same and not interchangable subjects.
CE[/quote]
And being a tutor for a brief period for poor kids is not the same as a career in it. Not interchangeable as experiences.
But I feel your deep condescending sympathy and it makes me all gooey.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I stated that the two are not equal that is all.
[/quote]
Thats because you are comparing apples to bowling balls. The skills required for teaching are an academic area of study. Basically what you should have said is that engineers learn way more engineering that teachers. Then it would have been at least been right (but still sounded as retarded as it ended up). [quote=CDMA ENG]
I have also been a math and science tutor in college and had many teachers as students. Many of them I wouldn’t let teach my dog. So yes there is a mixed bag of them and their renumeration should be reflected by thier talent. And yes I have meet many engineers that couldn’t think thier way out of a wet paper bag and are over paid for the services they preform… I wish we could eliminate all of them from the industries.

Are you an engineer? If you have been I may take your arguement more chartably.
CE[/quote]
Nope.
You should address the argument and stop being whiny. Also, spell check.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
If not you can’t not know the stress of the circulm and therefore the pride in doing it. I never met anyone who dropped into the engineering circulm that wasn’t already hard science majors so I dispute your arguement that teachers drop into engineering cause they find it easy. My college sweet heart was in teaching… Guess who use to help write her papers? So there again I am familar with the subject matter.

CE[/quote]
Okay I should clarify that because I think it got mangled coming out.
Lots of people in teaching have engineering degrees.
People who are more interested in the science part and unable to deal with the student-focus that is inherent in pedagogy often change careers accordingly. Lots of people were teachers for a brief period.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I knew plenty of engineering non-hackers that dropped into business and others. Some of them much smarter than me but couldn’t handle the stress or the work load. Also while in school, engineering and hard sciences is far more difficult and stressful than teaching. The proffesor, literally, have a code of weeding out all non-hackers (maybe nursing and med school). What other circulms are there were the teachers are trying to fail you (ever scored 14 out of 100 on exam and still got a B)? Usually that is why we have an ego coming out of school. We made it through a program that few attempted and even fewer made it out of.

CE[/quote] Ahh so the argument here is that you are entitled to act like a dick.
I just thought you were a dick.
My mistake.
As somebody who has set the curve with a below 30% score (I did go to UCSD) yeah I have an idea what going to a tough school is like.
It does not make you (or me) special.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

Once you get out of school it is only the stress level that changes. Teaching is more stressful in the work place. Good teachers deserve more pay.

Of course I know at least one engineer that would laugh at that. He worked at Intel which is a meat grinder and later became a HS math teacher. He would gladly tell you which one he prefers for stress.

As for the stats I challenge you. Why do I need to show stats to repudiate my own arguement especially when you did not read my arguement correctly the first time?
[/quote]
I did read it.
Watching you spin out of control in anger is pretty funny though.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

I have been on both sides of the fence. What about you? I have formed an opinion based on those experiences and what I have observed working within both. I think that make me a little less ignorant than you.

Regards,

CE[/quote]

Right. You strike me as the epitome of open-mindedness.

[urbanrealtor]

CE[/quote][quote=CDMA ENG]

Your the one that is ignorant. Your ingnorant because you did not read what I said. I never said that teachers aren’t hard working. Never. I said that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.
CE[/quote]
No.
I did read it.
My dispute with you was about academics.
The hours per week part was not meant for you specifically.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I have worked in the education field albiet not as a certified teacher. I have worked on the Pima Indian reservation in Arizona until the casino was put on the reservation they were all dirt poor. I work there before the Casino when it was still dangerous for white people to even be on the Res (admittedly I was not viewed as white due to deep tan from working construction and long black hair… Yes Im a dude). We use to entice them into studying by feeding the poor kids. So yes I do know what the stress level can be of a teacher tutoring impovrised kids from broken homes. For god sakes I tutored the Osif Childern whose parents chopped up the mail-lady in Dec of 84’and sparked the largest FBI manhunt of the time. Those kids were screwed up. BUT stress levels and academics are not the same and not interchangable subjects.
CE[/quote]
And being a tutor for a brief period for poor kids is not the same as a career in it. Not interchangeable as experiences.
But I feel your deep condescending sympathy and it makes me all gooey.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I stated that the two are not equal that is all.
[/quote]
Thats because you are comparing apples to bowling balls. The skills required for teaching are an academic area of study. Basically what you should have said is that engineers learn way more engineering that teachers. Then it would have been at least been right (but still sounded as retarded as it ended up). [quote=CDMA ENG]
I have also been a math and science tutor in college and had many teachers as students. Many of them I wouldn’t let teach my dog. So yes there is a mixed bag of them and their renumeration should be reflected by thier talent. And yes I have meet many engineers that couldn’t think thier way out of a wet paper bag and are over paid for the services they preform… I wish we could eliminate all of them from the industries.

Are you an engineer? If you have been I may take your arguement more chartably.
CE[/quote]
Nope.
You should address the argument and stop being whiny. Also, spell check.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
If not you can’t not know the stress of the circulm and therefore the pride in doing it. I never met anyone who dropped into the engineering circulm that wasn’t already hard science majors so I dispute your arguement that teachers drop into engineering cause they find it easy. My college sweet heart was in teaching… Guess who use to help write her papers? So there again I am familar with the subject matter.

CE[/quote]
Okay I should clarify that because I think it got mangled coming out.
Lots of people in teaching have engineering degrees.
People who are more interested in the science part and unable to deal with the student-focus that is inherent in pedagogy often change careers accordingly. Lots of people were teachers for a brief period.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I knew plenty of engineering non-hackers that dropped into business and others. Some of them much smarter than me but couldn’t handle the stress or the work load. Also while in school, engineering and hard sciences is far more difficult and stressful than teaching. The proffesor, literally, have a code of weeding out all non-hackers (maybe nursing and med school). What other circulms are there were the teachers are trying to fail you (ever scored 14 out of 100 on exam and still got a B)? Usually that is why we have an ego coming out of school. We made it through a program that few attempted and even fewer made it out of.

CE[/quote] Ahh so the argument here is that you are entitled to act like a dick.
I just thought you were a dick.
My mistake.
As somebody who has set the curve with a below 30% score (I did go to UCSD) yeah I have an idea what going to a tough school is like.
It does not make you (or me) special.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

Once you get out of school it is only the stress level that changes. Teaching is more stressful in the work place. Good teachers deserve more pay.

Of course I know at least one engineer that would laugh at that. He worked at Intel which is a meat grinder and later became a HS math teacher. He would gladly tell you which one he prefers for stress.

As for the stats I challenge you. Why do I need to show stats to repudiate my own arguement especially when you did not read my arguement correctly the first time?
[/quote]
I did read it.
Watching you spin out of control in anger is pretty funny though.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

I have been on both sides of the fence. What about you? I have formed an opinion based on those experiences and what I have observed working within both. I think that make me a little less ignorant than you.

Regards,

CE[/quote]

Right. You strike me as the epitome of open-mindedness.

[urbanrealtor]

CE[/quote][quote=CDMA ENG]

Your the one that is ignorant. Your ingnorant because you did not read what I said. I never said that teachers aren’t hard working. Never. I said that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.
CE[/quote]
No.
I did read it.
My dispute with you was about academics.
The hours per week part was not meant for you specifically.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I have worked in the education field albiet not as a certified teacher. I have worked on the Pima Indian reservation in Arizona until the casino was put on the reservation they were all dirt poor. I work there before the Casino when it was still dangerous for white people to even be on the Res (admittedly I was not viewed as white due to deep tan from working construction and long black hair… Yes Im a dude). We use to entice them into studying by feeding the poor kids. So yes I do know what the stress level can be of a teacher tutoring impovrised kids from broken homes. For god sakes I tutored the Osif Childern whose parents chopped up the mail-lady in Dec of 84’and sparked the largest FBI manhunt of the time. Those kids were screwed up. BUT stress levels and academics are not the same and not interchangable subjects.
CE[/quote]
And being a tutor for a brief period for poor kids is not the same as a career in it. Not interchangeable as experiences.
But I feel your deep condescending sympathy and it makes me all gooey.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I stated that the two are not equal that is all.
[/quote]
Thats because you are comparing apples to bowling balls. The skills required for teaching are an academic area of study. Basically what you should have said is that engineers learn way more engineering that teachers. Then it would have been at least been right (but still sounded as retarded as it ended up). [quote=CDMA ENG]
I have also been a math and science tutor in college and had many teachers as students. Many of them I wouldn’t let teach my dog. So yes there is a mixed bag of them and their renumeration should be reflected by thier talent. And yes I have meet many engineers that couldn’t think thier way out of a wet paper bag and are over paid for the services they preform… I wish we could eliminate all of them from the industries.

Are you an engineer? If you have been I may take your arguement more chartably.
CE[/quote]
Nope.
You should address the argument and stop being whiny. Also, spell check.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
If not you can’t not know the stress of the circulm and therefore the pride in doing it. I never met anyone who dropped into the engineering circulm that wasn’t already hard science majors so I dispute your arguement that teachers drop into engineering cause they find it easy. My college sweet heart was in teaching… Guess who use to help write her papers? So there again I am familar with the subject matter.

CE[/quote]
Okay I should clarify that because I think it got mangled coming out.
Lots of people in teaching have engineering degrees.
People who are more interested in the science part and unable to deal with the student-focus that is inherent in pedagogy often change careers accordingly. Lots of people were teachers for a brief period.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I knew plenty of engineering non-hackers that dropped into business and others. Some of them much smarter than me but couldn’t handle the stress or the work load. Also while in school, engineering and hard sciences is far more difficult and stressful than teaching. The proffesor, literally, have a code of weeding out all non-hackers (maybe nursing and med school). What other circulms are there were the teachers are trying to fail you (ever scored 14 out of 100 on exam and still got a B)? Usually that is why we have an ego coming out of school. We made it through a program that few attempted and even fewer made it out of.

CE[/quote] Ahh so the argument here is that you are entitled to act like a dick.
I just thought you were a dick.
My mistake.
As somebody who has set the curve with a below 30% score (I did go to UCSD) yeah I have an idea what going to a tough school is like.
It does not make you (or me) special.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

Once you get out of school it is only the stress level that changes. Teaching is more stressful in the work place. Good teachers deserve more pay.

Of course I know at least one engineer that would laugh at that. He worked at Intel which is a meat grinder and later became a HS math teacher. He would gladly tell you which one he prefers for stress.

As for the stats I challenge you. Why do I need to show stats to repudiate my own arguement especially when you did not read my arguement correctly the first time?
[/quote]
I did read it.
Watching you spin out of control in anger is pretty funny though.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

I have been on both sides of the fence. What about you? I have formed an opinion based on those experiences and what I have observed working within both. I think that make me a little less ignorant than you.

Regards,

CE[/quote]

Right. You strike me as the epitome of open-mindedness.

[urbanrealtor]

CE[/quote][quote=CDMA ENG]

Your the one that is ignorant. Your ingnorant because you did not read what I said. I never said that teachers aren’t hard working. Never. I said that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.
CE[/quote]
No.
I did read it.
My dispute with you was about academics.
The hours per week part was not meant for you specifically.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I have worked in the education field albiet not as a certified teacher. I have worked on the Pima Indian reservation in Arizona until the casino was put on the reservation they were all dirt poor. I work there before the Casino when it was still dangerous for white people to even be on the Res (admittedly I was not viewed as white due to deep tan from working construction and long black hair… Yes Im a dude). We use to entice them into studying by feeding the poor kids. So yes I do know what the stress level can be of a teacher tutoring impovrised kids from broken homes. For god sakes I tutored the Osif Childern whose parents chopped up the mail-lady in Dec of 84’and sparked the largest FBI manhunt of the time. Those kids were screwed up. BUT stress levels and academics are not the same and not interchangable subjects.
CE[/quote]
And being a tutor for a brief period for poor kids is not the same as a career in it. Not interchangeable as experiences.
But I feel your deep condescending sympathy and it makes me all gooey.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I stated that the two are not equal that is all.
[/quote]
Thats because you are comparing apples to bowling balls. The skills required for teaching are an academic area of study. Basically what you should have said is that engineers learn way more engineering that teachers. Then it would have been at least been right (but still sounded as retarded as it ended up). [quote=CDMA ENG]
I have also been a math and science tutor in college and had many teachers as students. Many of them I wouldn’t let teach my dog. So yes there is a mixed bag of them and their renumeration should be reflected by thier talent. And yes I have meet many engineers that couldn’t think thier way out of a wet paper bag and are over paid for the services they preform… I wish we could eliminate all of them from the industries.

Are you an engineer? If you have been I may take your arguement more chartably.
CE[/quote]
Nope.
You should address the argument and stop being whiny. Also, spell check.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
If not you can’t not know the stress of the circulm and therefore the pride in doing it. I never met anyone who dropped into the engineering circulm that wasn’t already hard science majors so I dispute your arguement that teachers drop into engineering cause they find it easy. My college sweet heart was in teaching… Guess who use to help write her papers? So there again I am familar with the subject matter.

CE[/quote]
Okay I should clarify that because I think it got mangled coming out.
Lots of people in teaching have engineering degrees.
People who are more interested in the science part and unable to deal with the student-focus that is inherent in pedagogy often change careers accordingly. Lots of people were teachers for a brief period.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I knew plenty of engineering non-hackers that dropped into business and others. Some of them much smarter than me but couldn’t handle the stress or the work load. Also while in school, engineering and hard sciences is far more difficult and stressful than teaching. The proffesor, literally, have a code of weeding out all non-hackers (maybe nursing and med school). What other circulms are there were the teachers are trying to fail you (ever scored 14 out of 100 on exam and still got a B)? Usually that is why we have an ego coming out of school. We made it through a program that few attempted and even fewer made it out of.

CE[/quote] Ahh so the argument here is that you are entitled to act like a dick.
I just thought you were a dick.
My mistake.
As somebody who has set the curve with a below 30% score (I did go to UCSD) yeah I have an idea what going to a tough school is like.
It does not make you (or me) special.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

Once you get out of school it is only the stress level that changes. Teaching is more stressful in the work place. Good teachers deserve more pay.

Of course I know at least one engineer that would laugh at that. He worked at Intel which is a meat grinder and later became a HS math teacher. He would gladly tell you which one he prefers for stress.

As for the stats I challenge you. Why do I need to show stats to repudiate my own arguement especially when you did not read my arguement correctly the first time?
[/quote]
I did read it.
Watching you spin out of control in anger is pretty funny though.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

I have been on both sides of the fence. What about you? I have formed an opinion based on those experiences and what I have observed working within both. I think that make me a little less ignorant than you.

Regards,

CE[/quote]

Right. You strike me as the epitome of open-mindedness.

[urbanrealtor]

CE[/quote][quote=CDMA ENG]

Your the one that is ignorant. Your ingnorant because you did not read what I said. I never said that teachers aren’t hard working. Never. I said that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.
CE[/quote]
No.
I did read it.
My dispute with you was about academics.
The hours per week part was not meant for you specifically.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I have worked in the education field albiet not as a certified teacher. I have worked on the Pima Indian reservation in Arizona until the casino was put on the reservation they were all dirt poor. I work there before the Casino when it was still dangerous for white people to even be on the Res (admittedly I was not viewed as white due to deep tan from working construction and long black hair… Yes Im a dude). We use to entice them into studying by feeding the poor kids. So yes I do know what the stress level can be of a teacher tutoring impovrised kids from broken homes. For god sakes I tutored the Osif Childern whose parents chopped up the mail-lady in Dec of 84’and sparked the largest FBI manhunt of the time. Those kids were screwed up. BUT stress levels and academics are not the same and not interchangable subjects.
CE[/quote]
And being a tutor for a brief period for poor kids is not the same as a career in it. Not interchangeable as experiences.
But I feel your deep condescending sympathy and it makes me all gooey.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I stated that the two are not equal that is all.
[/quote]
Thats because you are comparing apples to bowling balls. The skills required for teaching are an academic area of study. Basically what you should have said is that engineers learn way more engineering that teachers. Then it would have been at least been right (but still sounded as retarded as it ended up). [quote=CDMA ENG]
I have also been a math and science tutor in college and had many teachers as students. Many of them I wouldn’t let teach my dog. So yes there is a mixed bag of them and their renumeration should be reflected by thier talent. And yes I have meet many engineers that couldn’t think thier way out of a wet paper bag and are over paid for the services they preform… I wish we could eliminate all of them from the industries.

Are you an engineer? If you have been I may take your arguement more chartably.
CE[/quote]
Nope.
You should address the argument and stop being whiny. Also, spell check.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
If not you can’t not know the stress of the circulm and therefore the pride in doing it. I never met anyone who dropped into the engineering circulm that wasn’t already hard science majors so I dispute your arguement that teachers drop into engineering cause they find it easy. My college sweet heart was in teaching… Guess who use to help write her papers? So there again I am familar with the subject matter.

CE[/quote]
Okay I should clarify that because I think it got mangled coming out.
Lots of people in teaching have engineering degrees.
People who are more interested in the science part and unable to deal with the student-focus that is inherent in pedagogy often change careers accordingly. Lots of people were teachers for a brief period.
[quote=CDMA ENG]
I knew plenty of engineering non-hackers that dropped into business and others. Some of them much smarter than me but couldn’t handle the stress or the work load. Also while in school, engineering and hard sciences is far more difficult and stressful than teaching. The proffesor, literally, have a code of weeding out all non-hackers (maybe nursing and med school). What other circulms are there were the teachers are trying to fail you (ever scored 14 out of 100 on exam and still got a B)? Usually that is why we have an ego coming out of school. We made it through a program that few attempted and even fewer made it out of.

CE[/quote] Ahh so the argument here is that you are entitled to act like a dick.
I just thought you were a dick.
My mistake.
As somebody who has set the curve with a below 30% score (I did go to UCSD) yeah I have an idea what going to a tough school is like.
It does not make you (or me) special.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

Once you get out of school it is only the stress level that changes. Teaching is more stressful in the work place. Good teachers deserve more pay.

Of course I know at least one engineer that would laugh at that. He worked at Intel which is a meat grinder and later became a HS math teacher. He would gladly tell you which one he prefers for stress.

As for the stats I challenge you. Why do I need to show stats to repudiate my own arguement especially when you did not read my arguement correctly the first time?
[/quote]
I did read it.
Watching you spin out of control in anger is pretty funny though.
[quote=CDMA ENG]

I have been on both sides of the fence. What about you? I have formed an opinion based on those experiences and what I have observed working within both. I think that make me a little less ignorant than you.

Regards,

CE[/quote]

Right. You strike me as the epitome of open-mindedness.

[CDMA ENG]

Feeling is mutal buddy and for someone who has “never been there done that” you sure know a lot. By the way my time with those kids are in the years not months. Long enough to gain a perspective on it.

Once again academics. Most engineers could pass the course work, not that they would make good teachers, but they could do it.

That is not 100 perecent true in the opposite direction.

Lastly, you deviate and make social interfacing into a topic of academics. Not the same.

You went to a tough school… Not a tough program. There is a difference.

I am not the epitome of open mindedness. Never claim to be. I am very open minded on something things and completely closed on others after having seen the facts and making up my mind. But like I said I have far more experience in both subjects unlike you.

Your the kid that ran around during college say “I could of majored in that… But I didn’t want to”. When what it really meant was you either didn’t have the foritude or smarts to do it.

Since we are now on in the insulting stage…

And your are right about one thing I am a notorious misspeller.

Yeah I am little pissed at you but end I am not in anger. I am use to ppl make statements from thier high horse. So far you have not made one comment that would indicate any experience with what you have debated.

Are you related to Poway Seller in any way?

Lastly you did not once acknowledge any credit I gave to the proffession which to me indicates you are either a troll (meant in the blogging fashion) or you a married to a teacher and take personal offence. Either way I don’t care…

P.S. I have enjoyed a few pieces of your in the past on real estate. In this regard keep up the good work as this is what you know and do and I benefit indirectly from it. But as for this thread… Go play in traffic.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Feeling is mutal buddy and for someone who has “never been there done that” you sure know a lot. By the way my time with those kids are in the years not months. Long enough to gain a perspective on it.

Once again academics. Most engineers could pass the course work, not that they would make good teachers, but they could do it.

That is not 100 perecent true in the opposite direction.

Lastly, you deviate and make social interfacing into a topic of academics. Not the same.

You went to a tough school… Not a tough program. There is a difference.

I am not the epitome of open mindedness. Never claim to be. I am very open minded on something things and completely closed on others after having seen the facts and making up my mind. But like I said I have far more experience in both subjects unlike you.

Your the kid that ran around during college say “I could of majored in that… But I didn’t want to”. When what it really meant was you either didn’t have the foritude or smarts to do it.

Since we are now on in the insulting stage…

And your are right about one thing I am a notorious misspeller.

Yeah I am little pissed at you but end I am not in anger. I am use to ppl make statements from thier high horse. So far you have not made one comment that would indicate any experience with what you have debated.

Are you related to Poway Seller in any way?

Lastly you did not once acknowledge any credit I gave to the proffession which to me indicates you are either a troll (meant in the blogging fashion) or you a married to a teacher and take personal offence. Either way I don’t care…

P.S. I have enjoyed a few pieces of your in the past on real estate. In this regard keep up the good work as this is what you know and do and I benefit indirectly from it. But as for this thread… Go play in traffic.

CE

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Feeling is mutal buddy and for someone who has “never been there done that” you sure know a lot. By the way my time with those kids are in the years not months. Long enough to gain a perspective on it.

Once again academics. Most engineers could pass the course work, not that they would make good teachers, but they could do it.

That is not 100 perecent true in the opposite direction.

Lastly, you deviate and make social interfacing into a topic of academics. Not the same.

You went to a tough school… Not a tough program. There is a difference.

I am not the epitome of open mindedness. Never claim to be. I am very open minded on something things and completely closed on others after having seen the facts and making up my mind. But like I said I have far more experience in both subjects unlike you.

Your the kid that ran around during college say “I could of majored in that… But I didn’t want to”. When what it really meant was you either didn’t have the foritude or smarts to do it.

Since we are now on in the insulting stage…

And your are right about one thing I am a notorious misspeller.

Yeah I am little pissed at you but end I am not in anger. I am use to ppl make statements from thier high horse. So far you have not made one comment that would indicate any experience with what you have debated.

Are you related to Poway Seller in any way?

Lastly you did not once acknowledge any credit I gave to the proffession which to me indicates you are either a troll (meant in the blogging fashion) or you a married to a teacher and take personal offence. Either way I don’t care…

P.S. I have enjoyed a few pieces of your in the past on real estate. In this regard keep up the good work as this is what you know and do and I benefit indirectly from it. But as for this thread… Go play in traffic.

CE

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Feeling is mutal buddy and for someone who has “never been there done that” you sure know a lot. By the way my time with those kids are in the years not months. Long enough to gain a perspective on it.

Once again academics. Most engineers could pass the course work, not that they would make good teachers, but they could do it.

That is not 100 perecent true in the opposite direction.

Lastly, you deviate and make social interfacing into a topic of academics. Not the same.

You went to a tough school… Not a tough program. There is a difference.

I am not the epitome of open mindedness. Never claim to be. I am very open minded on something things and completely closed on others after having seen the facts and making up my mind. But like I said I have far more experience in both subjects unlike you.

Your the kid that ran around during college say “I could of majored in that… But I didn’t want to”. When what it really meant was you either didn’t have the foritude or smarts to do it.

Since we are now on in the insulting stage…

And your are right about one thing I am a notorious misspeller.

Yeah I am little pissed at you but end I am not in anger. I am use to ppl make statements from thier high horse. So far you have not made one comment that would indicate any experience with what you have debated.

Are you related to Poway Seller in any way?

Lastly you did not once acknowledge any credit I gave to the proffession which to me indicates you are either a troll (meant in the blogging fashion) or you a married to a teacher and take personal offence. Either way I don’t care…

P.S. I have enjoyed a few pieces of your in the past on real estate. In this regard keep up the good work as this is what you know and do and I benefit indirectly from it. But as for this thread… Go play in traffic.

CE

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