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  • July 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM #431221
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    Are you thinking yet?
    I find it sad that people don’t think.
    First, I want to thank pri_dk for the compliment.

    UCGal: If someone asks for opinion, it’s best to give opinion based upon facts.
    Everyone has their own tolerance for risk and everyone has their own method of deciding whether an investment is for them. That’s why there are so many varied investments. What’s right for one person is not necessarily right for another. Some people didn’t like Microsoft or Intel or Berkshire when then first learned about them. They were right for some and not right for others. It’s your choice.
    I’m sorry about your contractor problem, but they are not the same. And your contractor problem has nothing to do with Starfire. You’re comparing apples to bowling balls. You’re right on one point, just because there are no complaints doesn’t make it a good investment. But the fact that there are no complaints is a very, very positive sign.

    Ucodegen: Please get facts. The contract states that there is a personal guarantee. dba simply means that a person or entity is utilizing an assumed name. It has nothing to do with a corporation or LLC or a corporate veil. I’d suggest that you consult with an attorney before you continue to make un-true statements. And yes, Bartko seems to be doing business under other names. So what. He also says that he will personally sign the promissory note! If anyone questions this fact, ask when you invest, that the promissory note be personally signed by Bartko (as he says he will do). I’d suggest that if anyone questions this, that they ask their attorney whether or not this is a personal promissory note. Ucodegen doesn’t know what he’s talking about!
    Ucodegen makes broad, generalized statements without any facts or specific information.
    To “refute” 1-6:
    1. I’m sure that Ucodegen has no knowledge of what every Fortune 500 companies do. Every company is different. Starfire says that it is very specialized and has been in business for 35 years and has specialized contacts. What one company does, another does differently.
    2. Again, a broad, generalized statement without anything to back it up. See my #1.
    3. Again, a broad, generalized statement without anything to back it up. Starfire states that it is a very specialized company and it deals with very specialized parts and products.
    4. Maybe the owner either does the ordering, scheduling and bookkeeping or hires someone to do this. If you read the web site, you’d see that there are only 15 to 20 outstanding contracts at any time. Maybe in the 35 years that the owner has been in this business, he’s learned how to be efficient.
    5. Bartko, Starfire’s owner personally signs and guarantees the promissory note. What’s hard about this?
    6. Maybe they have enough money to do everything themselves. Maybe Bartko would rather deal with a real person than a bank. Maybe Bartko doesn’t like to deal with banks. Who knows.
    But, why would I even want to refute Ucodegen 1-6. All of these statements are generalized, unsubstantiated and unsupoorted. Again, this is how Starfire does business, and it works for them. Starfire doesn’t have to be like every business that Ucodegen has worked at!
    Ucodegen has his/her opinions, but there are no facts.
    I’m glad that Ucodegen has worked for so many companies and that he has so much experience. BUT; maybe Starfire, it it’s 35 years, has made contacts and has knowledge and information that makes it useful to utilize. If all companies were as Ucodegen presents, Starfire wouldn’t be in business today!

    Every business is different.
    Invest or don’t invest. Personally, I don’t care. But utilize facts. Don’t make unsubstantiated generalizations and don’t mislead. If you question whether or not there is a personal guarantee and personal liability to Bartko, ask them or ask your attorney.
    What should you do when you invest? Diversify.
    There isn’t a right or wrong.
    I can take either side and play devil’s advocate. But again, it doesn’t make this a good or bad investment. If, it is as presented, it might be a spectacular investment. Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative. Unless you invest, you won’t know if it is good and you won’t know if it is bad. If you have facts, knowledge and feel comfortable, invest or don’t invest. But make a decision based upon fact and knowledge not unsubstantiated opinion.

    Lastly: Use your own opinion and especially utilize facts. If you are interested in the investment. Contact them. That’s the only way you’ll get “good” information and fact. You won’t learn anything here from posters that have opinion and no fact.

    Sarah G.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM #430600
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    Hey Sarah, er. I mean Steve…or should I call you “Mr. Barkto?”

    Give it up.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM #430816
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    Hey Sarah, er. I mean Steve…or should I call you “Mr. Barkto?”

    Give it up.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM #431110
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    Hey Sarah, er. I mean Steve…or should I call you “Mr. Barkto?”

    Give it up.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM #431181
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    Hey Sarah, er. I mean Steve…or should I call you “Mr. Barkto?”

    Give it up.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM #431340
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    Hey Sarah, er. I mean Steve…or should I call you “Mr. Barkto?”

    Give it up.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM #430614
    UCGal
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    [quote=Sarah G.]Invest or don’t invest. Personally, I don’t care. But utilize facts. Don’t make unsubstantiated generalizations and don’t mislead. If you question whether or not there is a personal guarantee and personal liability to Bartko, ask them or ask your attorney.
    What should you do when you invest? Diversify.
    There isn’t a right or wrong.
    I can take either side and play devil’s advocate. But again, it doesn’t make this a good or bad investment. If, it is as presented, it might be a spectacular investment. Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative. Unless you invest, you won’t know if it is good and you won’t know if it is bad. If you have facts, knowledge and feel comfortable, invest or don’t invest. But make a decision based upon fact and knowledge not unsubstantiated opinion.

    Lastly: Use your own opinion and especially utilize facts. If you are interested in the investment. Contact them. That’s the only way you’ll get “good” information and fact. You won’t learn anything here from posters that have opinion and no fact.

    Sarah G.[/quote]

    I think one of the issues here is the lack of supporting facts. Your advise seems to be “invest and hope”. You admit you can’t confirm it’s an “awesome” or “spectacular” investment until you put money at risk.

    As others have pointed out – the business model seems very non-traditional for procurement for fortune 500 companies. I can’t speak to all fortune 500 companies – only the one I work for… this isn’t the way things are done here. That is a fact.

    When NeetaT asked for documentation she was told they didn’t have any. (Read the OP.)

    My point about the contractor was simple. You can enter a business arrangement (with starblaze, with a contractor, …) have clearly defined documents and have one side fail to perform and worse. You seem to suggest that if there are no complaints out there – you should assume the other party in the business arrangement is on the Up and Up. My experience shows this to be a bad assumption. Apples and bowling balls – it’s all business transactions.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM #430831
    UCGal
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    [quote=Sarah G.]Invest or don’t invest. Personally, I don’t care. But utilize facts. Don’t make unsubstantiated generalizations and don’t mislead. If you question whether or not there is a personal guarantee and personal liability to Bartko, ask them or ask your attorney.
    What should you do when you invest? Diversify.
    There isn’t a right or wrong.
    I can take either side and play devil’s advocate. But again, it doesn’t make this a good or bad investment. If, it is as presented, it might be a spectacular investment. Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative. Unless you invest, you won’t know if it is good and you won’t know if it is bad. If you have facts, knowledge and feel comfortable, invest or don’t invest. But make a decision based upon fact and knowledge not unsubstantiated opinion.

    Lastly: Use your own opinion and especially utilize facts. If you are interested in the investment. Contact them. That’s the only way you’ll get “good” information and fact. You won’t learn anything here from posters that have opinion and no fact.

    Sarah G.[/quote]

    I think one of the issues here is the lack of supporting facts. Your advise seems to be “invest and hope”. You admit you can’t confirm it’s an “awesome” or “spectacular” investment until you put money at risk.

    As others have pointed out – the business model seems very non-traditional for procurement for fortune 500 companies. I can’t speak to all fortune 500 companies – only the one I work for… this isn’t the way things are done here. That is a fact.

    When NeetaT asked for documentation she was told they didn’t have any. (Read the OP.)

    My point about the contractor was simple. You can enter a business arrangement (with starblaze, with a contractor, …) have clearly defined documents and have one side fail to perform and worse. You seem to suggest that if there are no complaints out there – you should assume the other party in the business arrangement is on the Up and Up. My experience shows this to be a bad assumption. Apples and bowling balls – it’s all business transactions.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM #431125
    UCGal
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    [quote=Sarah G.]Invest or don’t invest. Personally, I don’t care. But utilize facts. Don’t make unsubstantiated generalizations and don’t mislead. If you question whether or not there is a personal guarantee and personal liability to Bartko, ask them or ask your attorney.
    What should you do when you invest? Diversify.
    There isn’t a right or wrong.
    I can take either side and play devil’s advocate. But again, it doesn’t make this a good or bad investment. If, it is as presented, it might be a spectacular investment. Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative. Unless you invest, you won’t know if it is good and you won’t know if it is bad. If you have facts, knowledge and feel comfortable, invest or don’t invest. But make a decision based upon fact and knowledge not unsubstantiated opinion.

    Lastly: Use your own opinion and especially utilize facts. If you are interested in the investment. Contact them. That’s the only way you’ll get “good” information and fact. You won’t learn anything here from posters that have opinion and no fact.

    Sarah G.[/quote]

    I think one of the issues here is the lack of supporting facts. Your advise seems to be “invest and hope”. You admit you can’t confirm it’s an “awesome” or “spectacular” investment until you put money at risk.

    As others have pointed out – the business model seems very non-traditional for procurement for fortune 500 companies. I can’t speak to all fortune 500 companies – only the one I work for… this isn’t the way things are done here. That is a fact.

    When NeetaT asked for documentation she was told they didn’t have any. (Read the OP.)

    My point about the contractor was simple. You can enter a business arrangement (with starblaze, with a contractor, …) have clearly defined documents and have one side fail to perform and worse. You seem to suggest that if there are no complaints out there – you should assume the other party in the business arrangement is on the Up and Up. My experience shows this to be a bad assumption. Apples and bowling balls – it’s all business transactions.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM #431195
    UCGal
    Participant

    [quote=Sarah G.]Invest or don’t invest. Personally, I don’t care. But utilize facts. Don’t make unsubstantiated generalizations and don’t mislead. If you question whether or not there is a personal guarantee and personal liability to Bartko, ask them or ask your attorney.
    What should you do when you invest? Diversify.
    There isn’t a right or wrong.
    I can take either side and play devil’s advocate. But again, it doesn’t make this a good or bad investment. If, it is as presented, it might be a spectacular investment. Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative. Unless you invest, you won’t know if it is good and you won’t know if it is bad. If you have facts, knowledge and feel comfortable, invest or don’t invest. But make a decision based upon fact and knowledge not unsubstantiated opinion.

    Lastly: Use your own opinion and especially utilize facts. If you are interested in the investment. Contact them. That’s the only way you’ll get “good” information and fact. You won’t learn anything here from posters that have opinion and no fact.

    Sarah G.[/quote]

    I think one of the issues here is the lack of supporting facts. Your advise seems to be “invest and hope”. You admit you can’t confirm it’s an “awesome” or “spectacular” investment until you put money at risk.

    As others have pointed out – the business model seems very non-traditional for procurement for fortune 500 companies. I can’t speak to all fortune 500 companies – only the one I work for… this isn’t the way things are done here. That is a fact.

    When NeetaT asked for documentation she was told they didn’t have any. (Read the OP.)

    My point about the contractor was simple. You can enter a business arrangement (with starblaze, with a contractor, …) have clearly defined documents and have one side fail to perform and worse. You seem to suggest that if there are no complaints out there – you should assume the other party in the business arrangement is on the Up and Up. My experience shows this to be a bad assumption. Apples and bowling balls – it’s all business transactions.

    July 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM #431355
    UCGal
    Participant

    [quote=Sarah G.]Invest or don’t invest. Personally, I don’t care. But utilize facts. Don’t make unsubstantiated generalizations and don’t mislead. If you question whether or not there is a personal guarantee and personal liability to Bartko, ask them or ask your attorney.
    What should you do when you invest? Diversify.
    There isn’t a right or wrong.
    I can take either side and play devil’s advocate. But again, it doesn’t make this a good or bad investment. If, it is as presented, it might be a spectacular investment. Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative. Unless you invest, you won’t know if it is good and you won’t know if it is bad. If you have facts, knowledge and feel comfortable, invest or don’t invest. But make a decision based upon fact and knowledge not unsubstantiated opinion.

    Lastly: Use your own opinion and especially utilize facts. If you are interested in the investment. Contact them. That’s the only way you’ll get “good” information and fact. You won’t learn anything here from posters that have opinion and no fact.

    Sarah G.[/quote]

    I think one of the issues here is the lack of supporting facts. Your advise seems to be “invest and hope”. You admit you can’t confirm it’s an “awesome” or “spectacular” investment until you put money at risk.

    As others have pointed out – the business model seems very non-traditional for procurement for fortune 500 companies. I can’t speak to all fortune 500 companies – only the one I work for… this isn’t the way things are done here. That is a fact.

    When NeetaT asked for documentation she was told they didn’t have any. (Read the OP.)

    My point about the contractor was simple. You can enter a business arrangement (with starblaze, with a contractor, …) have clearly defined documents and have one side fail to perform and worse. You seem to suggest that if there are no complaints out there – you should assume the other party in the business arrangement is on the Up and Up. My experience shows this to be a bad assumption. Apples and bowling balls – it’s all business transactions.

    July 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM #430654
    JustLurking
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    [quote=Sarah G.]Are you thinking yet?
    I find it sad that people don’t think…

    5. Bartko, Starfire’s owner personally signs and guarantees the promissory note. What’s hard about this?…

    Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative.
    Sarah G.[/quote]

    A personal guarantee from someone in default on their property taxes? Being in default on a financial obligation is not a negative fact? The default IS a fact and not an opinion. The problem, “Sarah”, is that people here DO think. They think that this is a scam and that Steve Bartko is a scammer whose “personal guarantee” is not worth the paper it is signed on. Maybe someone with more time than I have will search the NODs for Steve’s Oceanside condo. I’ll bet you a 24% return that he is no longer paying that mortgage. Another sign of a person of stellar character that you would gladly loan money to.

    July 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM #430870
    JustLurking
    Participant

    [quote=Sarah G.]Are you thinking yet?
    I find it sad that people don’t think…

    5. Bartko, Starfire’s owner personally signs and guarantees the promissory note. What’s hard about this?…

    Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative.
    Sarah G.[/quote]

    A personal guarantee from someone in default on their property taxes? Being in default on a financial obligation is not a negative fact? The default IS a fact and not an opinion. The problem, “Sarah”, is that people here DO think. They think that this is a scam and that Steve Bartko is a scammer whose “personal guarantee” is not worth the paper it is signed on. Maybe someone with more time than I have will search the NODs for Steve’s Oceanside condo. I’ll bet you a 24% return that he is no longer paying that mortgage. Another sign of a person of stellar character that you would gladly loan money to.

    July 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM #431164
    JustLurking
    Participant

    [quote=Sarah G.]Are you thinking yet?
    I find it sad that people don’t think…

    5. Bartko, Starfire’s owner personally signs and guarantees the promissory note. What’s hard about this?…

    Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative.
    Sarah G.[/quote]

    A personal guarantee from someone in default on their property taxes? Being in default on a financial obligation is not a negative fact? The default IS a fact and not an opinion. The problem, “Sarah”, is that people here DO think. They think that this is a scam and that Steve Bartko is a scammer whose “personal guarantee” is not worth the paper it is signed on. Maybe someone with more time than I have will search the NODs for Steve’s Oceanside condo. I’ll bet you a 24% return that he is no longer paying that mortgage. Another sign of a person of stellar character that you would gladly loan money to.

    July 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM #431234
    JustLurking
    Participant

    [quote=Sarah G.]Are you thinking yet?
    I find it sad that people don’t think…

    5. Bartko, Starfire’s owner personally signs and guarantees the promissory note. What’s hard about this?…

    Other than opinion here, there are no facts that are negative.
    Sarah G.[/quote]

    A personal guarantee from someone in default on their property taxes? Being in default on a financial obligation is not a negative fact? The default IS a fact and not an opinion. The problem, “Sarah”, is that people here DO think. They think that this is a scam and that Steve Bartko is a scammer whose “personal guarantee” is not worth the paper it is signed on. Maybe someone with more time than I have will search the NODs for Steve’s Oceanside condo. I’ll bet you a 24% return that he is no longer paying that mortgage. Another sign of a person of stellar character that you would gladly loan money to.

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