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December 31, 2007 at 4:38 AM #11364December 31, 2007 at 7:45 AM #126702
Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantEx-SD: From the article: "It's not surprising that lenders were fooled when every level of the real estate transaction was compromised like it was here," the prosecutor said. "These lenders did due diligence and did push back sometimes. At a certain point, lenders rely on the honor process."
You are lending someone nearly $1.5MM, and you rely on the honor process? Even the most cursory examination of the loan application and documents, followed by verification, would have shown the underlying fraud.
$142MM in bad loans. I don't mean to sound callous, but please. You are lending this money, and are therefore responsible for the diligence process. What does Lehman expect to get back here? The article states that money is long gone, spent on vintage wines and chartered flights. They'll be lucky to collect pennies on the dollar.
I'd love to read the letter Lehman puts out to their shareholders on this one.
December 31, 2007 at 7:45 AM #126861Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantEx-SD: From the article: "It's not surprising that lenders were fooled when every level of the real estate transaction was compromised like it was here," the prosecutor said. "These lenders did due diligence and did push back sometimes. At a certain point, lenders rely on the honor process."
You are lending someone nearly $1.5MM, and you rely on the honor process? Even the most cursory examination of the loan application and documents, followed by verification, would have shown the underlying fraud.
$142MM in bad loans. I don't mean to sound callous, but please. You are lending this money, and are therefore responsible for the diligence process. What does Lehman expect to get back here? The article states that money is long gone, spent on vintage wines and chartered flights. They'll be lucky to collect pennies on the dollar.
I'd love to read the letter Lehman puts out to their shareholders on this one.
December 31, 2007 at 7:45 AM #126873Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantEx-SD: From the article: "It's not surprising that lenders were fooled when every level of the real estate transaction was compromised like it was here," the prosecutor said. "These lenders did due diligence and did push back sometimes. At a certain point, lenders rely on the honor process."
You are lending someone nearly $1.5MM, and you rely on the honor process? Even the most cursory examination of the loan application and documents, followed by verification, would have shown the underlying fraud.
$142MM in bad loans. I don't mean to sound callous, but please. You are lending this money, and are therefore responsible for the diligence process. What does Lehman expect to get back here? The article states that money is long gone, spent on vintage wines and chartered flights. They'll be lucky to collect pennies on the dollar.
I'd love to read the letter Lehman puts out to their shareholders on this one.
December 31, 2007 at 7:45 AM #126940Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantEx-SD: From the article: "It's not surprising that lenders were fooled when every level of the real estate transaction was compromised like it was here," the prosecutor said. "These lenders did due diligence and did push back sometimes. At a certain point, lenders rely on the honor process."
You are lending someone nearly $1.5MM, and you rely on the honor process? Even the most cursory examination of the loan application and documents, followed by verification, would have shown the underlying fraud.
$142MM in bad loans. I don't mean to sound callous, but please. You are lending this money, and are therefore responsible for the diligence process. What does Lehman expect to get back here? The article states that money is long gone, spent on vintage wines and chartered flights. They'll be lucky to collect pennies on the dollar.
I'd love to read the letter Lehman puts out to their shareholders on this one.
December 31, 2007 at 7:45 AM #126964Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantEx-SD: From the article: "It's not surprising that lenders were fooled when every level of the real estate transaction was compromised like it was here," the prosecutor said. "These lenders did due diligence and did push back sometimes. At a certain point, lenders rely on the honor process."
You are lending someone nearly $1.5MM, and you rely on the honor process? Even the most cursory examination of the loan application and documents, followed by verification, would have shown the underlying fraud.
$142MM in bad loans. I don't mean to sound callous, but please. You are lending this money, and are therefore responsible for the diligence process. What does Lehman expect to get back here? The article states that money is long gone, spent on vintage wines and chartered flights. They'll be lucky to collect pennies on the dollar.
I'd love to read the letter Lehman puts out to their shareholders on this one.
December 31, 2007 at 10:54 AM #126823paramount
ParticipantAlso from the LA Times:
A “classic double bubble”
Good morning. Repeat after me: It’s not just a sub-prime mortgage crisis, it’s a mortgage crisis. Or, as PIMCO’s Paul McCulley writes, it’s a “classic double bubble” — one bubble is the asset, the other bubble is the lending against that asset.
One bubble is housing, the other is mortgage lending. Not just sub-prime lending. All of it.
December 31, 2007 at 10:54 AM #126983paramount
ParticipantAlso from the LA Times:
A “classic double bubble”
Good morning. Repeat after me: It’s not just a sub-prime mortgage crisis, it’s a mortgage crisis. Or, as PIMCO’s Paul McCulley writes, it’s a “classic double bubble” — one bubble is the asset, the other bubble is the lending against that asset.
One bubble is housing, the other is mortgage lending. Not just sub-prime lending. All of it.
December 31, 2007 at 10:54 AM #126991paramount
ParticipantAlso from the LA Times:
A “classic double bubble”
Good morning. Repeat after me: It’s not just a sub-prime mortgage crisis, it’s a mortgage crisis. Or, as PIMCO’s Paul McCulley writes, it’s a “classic double bubble” — one bubble is the asset, the other bubble is the lending against that asset.
One bubble is housing, the other is mortgage lending. Not just sub-prime lending. All of it.
December 31, 2007 at 10:54 AM #127059paramount
ParticipantAlso from the LA Times:
A “classic double bubble”
Good morning. Repeat after me: It’s not just a sub-prime mortgage crisis, it’s a mortgage crisis. Or, as PIMCO’s Paul McCulley writes, it’s a “classic double bubble” — one bubble is the asset, the other bubble is the lending against that asset.
One bubble is housing, the other is mortgage lending. Not just sub-prime lending. All of it.
December 31, 2007 at 10:54 AM #127085paramount
ParticipantAlso from the LA Times:
A “classic double bubble”
Good morning. Repeat after me: It’s not just a sub-prime mortgage crisis, it’s a mortgage crisis. Or, as PIMCO’s Paul McCulley writes, it’s a “classic double bubble” — one bubble is the asset, the other bubble is the lending against that asset.
One bubble is housing, the other is mortgage lending. Not just sub-prime lending. All of it.
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