How’s the IT Job Market?

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Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.

[paramount]

I would urge anyone that works in a mid to large sized company to read “Corporate Confidential”.

Or just review some of the comments at Amazon:

It might help you keep your job…

[paramount]

I would urge anyone that works in a mid to large sized company to read “Corporate Confidential”.

Or just review some of the comments at Amazon:

It might help you keep your job…

[paramount]

I would urge anyone that works in a mid to large sized company to read “Corporate Confidential”.

Or just review some of the comments at Amazon:

It might help you keep your job…

[paramount]

I would urge anyone that works in a mid to large sized company to read “Corporate Confidential”.

Or just review some of the comments at Amazon:

It might help you keep your job…

[paramount]

I would urge anyone that works in a mid to large sized company to read “Corporate Confidential”.

Or just review some of the comments at Amazon:

It might help you keep your job…

[eclipxe]

[quote=paramount]Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.
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Paramount – I apologize if I came off as arrogant. You are right that IT is a moving target and skills change rapidly. That is why you must consistently stay tuned with the industry and keep up skills outside of the workplace. For many that are in the industry this is a challenge because they lack passion (one of those pesky “subjective” ideals you deride so much). If you don’t have passion for what you do and are just doing it to pay the bills then why even live? You sound like you are definitely bitter and probably shouldn’t be in the industry.

Just FYI, your suspicions are wrong. I’ve been brushed aside and dismissed more than once because I was “too young”. The knife cuts both ways my friend – also try telling the 40 and 50 yr old senior engineers I work with that they are also facing discrimination. Based on the tone of your post I simply think the problem isn’t your age or skills but maybe your attitude?

But I do wish you the best – it is always tough to lose a job, especially with a family.

As far as skills that I’ve seen that are in demand – I screen resumes for new hires and we can’t find many decent engineers with experience in the following areas:

1. Embedded system design (ARM programming, device driver programming)
2. Advanced Perl skills – lots of legacy web applications need to be maintained and are written in Perl. extensive CPAN knowledge is a requirement
3. Healthcare knowledge (EMR, MPI and HL7 experts)
4. Emerging mobile platform skills – Android/J2ME and iPhone (these platforms are so new that developers are in very short supply with expert level skillsets)
5. OS X – Cocoa and Objective C experts. OS X is a growing market that we actively target and most good Cocoa developers are snatched up by Apple or work for a cushy ISV
6. Developers with Secret or TS clearance – there are several advanced government defense projects that need skilled developers with clearance. I’ve seen at least one company hiring for these projects in San Diego within the last week.
7. Linux/FOSS developers – a lot of healthcare initiatives are being proposed to the Obama administration and there is expected to be a large amount of funding available for a large national conversion to electronic medical records and IT healthcare systems. Almost every initiative that has passed through my desk has been based on open source technology and Linux. The largest healthcare IT project (VA VistA) is a model open-source development. One of the largest open source Vista software companies has just recently relocated to Carlsbad (from Aliso Viejo) and is actively hiring developers.
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There are 7 skillsets that I’ve tracked over the last year that either have openings locally (San Diego or Orange County) or I have actively tried to hire for. If you possessed those skills you’d have a 6 figure job instantly, despite your age.

[eclipxe]

[quote=paramount]Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.
[/quote]

Paramount – I apologize if I came off as arrogant. You are right that IT is a moving target and skills change rapidly. That is why you must consistently stay tuned with the industry and keep up skills outside of the workplace. For many that are in the industry this is a challenge because they lack passion (one of those pesky “subjective” ideals you deride so much). If you don’t have passion for what you do and are just doing it to pay the bills then why even live? You sound like you are definitely bitter and probably shouldn’t be in the industry.

Just FYI, your suspicions are wrong. I’ve been brushed aside and dismissed more than once because I was “too young”. The knife cuts both ways my friend – also try telling the 40 and 50 yr old senior engineers I work with that they are also facing discrimination. Based on the tone of your post I simply think the problem isn’t your age or skills but maybe your attitude?

But I do wish you the best – it is always tough to lose a job, especially with a family.

As far as skills that I’ve seen that are in demand – I screen resumes for new hires and we can’t find many decent engineers with experience in the following areas:

1. Embedded system design (ARM programming, device driver programming)
2. Advanced Perl skills – lots of legacy web applications need to be maintained and are written in Perl. extensive CPAN knowledge is a requirement
3. Healthcare knowledge (EMR, MPI and HL7 experts)
4. Emerging mobile platform skills – Android/J2ME and iPhone (these platforms are so new that developers are in very short supply with expert level skillsets)
5. OS X – Cocoa and Objective C experts. OS X is a growing market that we actively target and most good Cocoa developers are snatched up by Apple or work for a cushy ISV
6. Developers with Secret or TS clearance – there are several advanced government defense projects that need skilled developers with clearance. I’ve seen at least one company hiring for these projects in San Diego within the last week.
7. Linux/FOSS developers – a lot of healthcare initiatives are being proposed to the Obama administration and there is expected to be a large amount of funding available for a large national conversion to electronic medical records and IT healthcare systems. Almost every initiative that has passed through my desk has been based on open source technology and Linux. The largest healthcare IT project (VA VistA) is a model open-source development. One of the largest open source Vista software companies has just recently relocated to Carlsbad (from Aliso Viejo) and is actively hiring developers.
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There are 7 skillsets that I’ve tracked over the last year that either have openings locally (San Diego or Orange County) or I have actively tried to hire for. If you possessed those skills you’d have a 6 figure job instantly, despite your age.

[eclipxe]

[quote=paramount]Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.
[/quote]

Paramount – I apologize if I came off as arrogant. You are right that IT is a moving target and skills change rapidly. That is why you must consistently stay tuned with the industry and keep up skills outside of the workplace. For many that are in the industry this is a challenge because they lack passion (one of those pesky “subjective” ideals you deride so much). If you don’t have passion for what you do and are just doing it to pay the bills then why even live? You sound like you are definitely bitter and probably shouldn’t be in the industry.

Just FYI, your suspicions are wrong. I’ve been brushed aside and dismissed more than once because I was “too young”. The knife cuts both ways my friend – also try telling the 40 and 50 yr old senior engineers I work with that they are also facing discrimination. Based on the tone of your post I simply think the problem isn’t your age or skills but maybe your attitude?

But I do wish you the best – it is always tough to lose a job, especially with a family.

As far as skills that I’ve seen that are in demand – I screen resumes for new hires and we can’t find many decent engineers with experience in the following areas:

1. Embedded system design (ARM programming, device driver programming)
2. Advanced Perl skills – lots of legacy web applications need to be maintained and are written in Perl. extensive CPAN knowledge is a requirement
3. Healthcare knowledge (EMR, MPI and HL7 experts)
4. Emerging mobile platform skills – Android/J2ME and iPhone (these platforms are so new that developers are in very short supply with expert level skillsets)
5. OS X – Cocoa and Objective C experts. OS X is a growing market that we actively target and most good Cocoa developers are snatched up by Apple or work for a cushy ISV
6. Developers with Secret or TS clearance – there are several advanced government defense projects that need skilled developers with clearance. I’ve seen at least one company hiring for these projects in San Diego within the last week.
7. Linux/FOSS developers – a lot of healthcare initiatives are being proposed to the Obama administration and there is expected to be a large amount of funding available for a large national conversion to electronic medical records and IT healthcare systems. Almost every initiative that has passed through my desk has been based on open source technology and Linux. The largest healthcare IT project (VA VistA) is a model open-source development. One of the largest open source Vista software companies has just recently relocated to Carlsbad (from Aliso Viejo) and is actively hiring developers.
——

There are 7 skillsets that I’ve tracked over the last year that either have openings locally (San Diego or Orange County) or I have actively tried to hire for. If you possessed those skills you’d have a 6 figure job instantly, despite your age.

[eclipxe]

[quote=paramount]Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.
[/quote]

Paramount – I apologize if I came off as arrogant. You are right that IT is a moving target and skills change rapidly. That is why you must consistently stay tuned with the industry and keep up skills outside of the workplace. For many that are in the industry this is a challenge because they lack passion (one of those pesky “subjective” ideals you deride so much). If you don’t have passion for what you do and are just doing it to pay the bills then why even live? You sound like you are definitely bitter and probably shouldn’t be in the industry.

Just FYI, your suspicions are wrong. I’ve been brushed aside and dismissed more than once because I was “too young”. The knife cuts both ways my friend – also try telling the 40 and 50 yr old senior engineers I work with that they are also facing discrimination. Based on the tone of your post I simply think the problem isn’t your age or skills but maybe your attitude?

But I do wish you the best – it is always tough to lose a job, especially with a family.

As far as skills that I’ve seen that are in demand – I screen resumes for new hires and we can’t find many decent engineers with experience in the following areas:

1. Embedded system design (ARM programming, device driver programming)
2. Advanced Perl skills – lots of legacy web applications need to be maintained and are written in Perl. extensive CPAN knowledge is a requirement
3. Healthcare knowledge (EMR, MPI and HL7 experts)
4. Emerging mobile platform skills – Android/J2ME and iPhone (these platforms are so new that developers are in very short supply with expert level skillsets)
5. OS X – Cocoa and Objective C experts. OS X is a growing market that we actively target and most good Cocoa developers are snatched up by Apple or work for a cushy ISV
6. Developers with Secret or TS clearance – there are several advanced government defense projects that need skilled developers with clearance. I’ve seen at least one company hiring for these projects in San Diego within the last week.
7. Linux/FOSS developers – a lot of healthcare initiatives are being proposed to the Obama administration and there is expected to be a large amount of funding available for a large national conversion to electronic medical records and IT healthcare systems. Almost every initiative that has passed through my desk has been based on open source technology and Linux. The largest healthcare IT project (VA VistA) is a model open-source development. One of the largest open source Vista software companies has just recently relocated to Carlsbad (from Aliso Viejo) and is actively hiring developers.
——

There are 7 skillsets that I’ve tracked over the last year that either have openings locally (San Diego or Orange County) or I have actively tried to hire for. If you possessed those skills you’d have a 6 figure job instantly, despite your age.

[eclipxe]

[quote=paramount]Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.
[/quote]

Paramount – I apologize if I came off as arrogant. You are right that IT is a moving target and skills change rapidly. That is why you must consistently stay tuned with the industry and keep up skills outside of the workplace. For many that are in the industry this is a challenge because they lack passion (one of those pesky “subjective” ideals you deride so much). If you don’t have passion for what you do and are just doing it to pay the bills then why even live? You sound like you are definitely bitter and probably shouldn’t be in the industry.

Just FYI, your suspicions are wrong. I’ve been brushed aside and dismissed more than once because I was “too young”. The knife cuts both ways my friend – also try telling the 40 and 50 yr old senior engineers I work with that they are also facing discrimination. Based on the tone of your post I simply think the problem isn’t your age or skills but maybe your attitude?

But I do wish you the best – it is always tough to lose a job, especially with a family.

As far as skills that I’ve seen that are in demand – I screen resumes for new hires and we can’t find many decent engineers with experience in the following areas:

1. Embedded system design (ARM programming, device driver programming)
2. Advanced Perl skills – lots of legacy web applications need to be maintained and are written in Perl. extensive CPAN knowledge is a requirement
3. Healthcare knowledge (EMR, MPI and HL7 experts)
4. Emerging mobile platform skills – Android/J2ME and iPhone (these platforms are so new that developers are in very short supply with expert level skillsets)
5. OS X – Cocoa and Objective C experts. OS X is a growing market that we actively target and most good Cocoa developers are snatched up by Apple or work for a cushy ISV
6. Developers with Secret or TS clearance – there are several advanced government defense projects that need skilled developers with clearance. I’ve seen at least one company hiring for these projects in San Diego within the last week.
7. Linux/FOSS developers – a lot of healthcare initiatives are being proposed to the Obama administration and there is expected to be a large amount of funding available for a large national conversion to electronic medical records and IT healthcare systems. Almost every initiative that has passed through my desk has been based on open source technology and Linux. The largest healthcare IT project (VA VistA) is a model open-source development. One of the largest open source Vista software companies has just recently relocated to Carlsbad (from Aliso Viejo) and is actively hiring developers.
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There are 7 skillsets that I’ve tracked over the last year that either have openings locally (San Diego or Orange County) or I have actively tried to hire for. If you possessed those skills you’d have a 6 figure job instantly, despite your age.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

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I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.

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