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November 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM #479879November 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM #479048
Hobie
ParticipantStrategically now is the time, with a majority in the House/Senate/Pres, the dems should ‘cram’ as much through as possible.
There are many disgruntled dem voters who are quite likely going to vote out the old guard–Pelosi, Reid, even Obama starting with the 2010 elections. The main factor being lack of jobs. Best forecasts seem to point to the economy staying flat or a slow uptick in 2011.
Assuming there will be shift in power there will not be another good time to push healthcare, cap/trade, etc. for many years. And yes, those buy Democrat voters.
Even then it will take decades to undo these policies.
You’re right BSR it still comes down to the individual voters who put these guys in power.
If only we were growing a generation of voters who think and analyze and not simply buy the political rhetoric.
November 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM #479217ParticipantStrategically now is the time, with a majority in the House/Senate/Pres, the dems should ‘cram’ as much through as possible.
There are many disgruntled dem voters who are quite likely going to vote out the old guard–Pelosi, Reid, even Obama starting with the 2010 elections. The main factor being lack of jobs. Best forecasts seem to point to the economy staying flat or a slow uptick in 2011.
Assuming there will be shift in power there will not be another good time to push healthcare, cap/trade, etc. for many years. And yes, those buy Democrat voters.
Even then it will take decades to undo these policies.
You’re right BSR it still comes down to the individual voters who put these guys in power.
If only we were growing a generation of voters who think and analyze and not simply buy the political rhetoric.
November 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM #479584ParticipantStrategically now is the time, with a majority in the House/Senate/Pres, the dems should ‘cram’ as much through as possible.
There are many disgruntled dem voters who are quite likely going to vote out the old guard–Pelosi, Reid, even Obama starting with the 2010 elections. The main factor being lack of jobs. Best forecasts seem to point to the economy staying flat or a slow uptick in 2011.
Assuming there will be shift in power there will not be another good time to push healthcare, cap/trade, etc. for many years. And yes, those buy Democrat voters.
Even then it will take decades to undo these policies.
You’re right BSR it still comes down to the individual voters who put these guys in power.
If only we were growing a generation of voters who think and analyze and not simply buy the political rhetoric.
November 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM #479663ParticipantStrategically now is the time, with a majority in the House/Senate/Pres, the dems should ‘cram’ as much through as possible.
There are many disgruntled dem voters who are quite likely going to vote out the old guard–Pelosi, Reid, even Obama starting with the 2010 elections. The main factor being lack of jobs. Best forecasts seem to point to the economy staying flat or a slow uptick in 2011.
Assuming there will be shift in power there will not be another good time to push healthcare, cap/trade, etc. for many years. And yes, those buy Democrat voters.
Even then it will take decades to undo these policies.
You’re right BSR it still comes down to the individual voters who put these guys in power.
If only we were growing a generation of voters who think and analyze and not simply buy the political rhetoric.
November 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM #479884ParticipantStrategically now is the time, with a majority in the House/Senate/Pres, the dems should ‘cram’ as much through as possible.
There are many disgruntled dem voters who are quite likely going to vote out the old guard–Pelosi, Reid, even Obama starting with the 2010 elections. The main factor being lack of jobs. Best forecasts seem to point to the economy staying flat or a slow uptick in 2011.
Assuming there will be shift in power there will not be another good time to push healthcare, cap/trade, etc. for many years. And yes, those buy Democrat voters.
Even then it will take decades to undo these policies.
You’re right BSR it still comes down to the individual voters who put these guys in power.
If only we were growing a generation of voters who think and analyze and not simply buy the political rhetoric.
November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM #479072patb
Participant[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
The Washington Post Survey.
At the end of the day, Insurance companies are
MIDDLEMEN!!!!!!. Providers are Doctors, Hospitals
and Labs. Consumers are Individuals.If the point of insurance is to pool risk, then
you need that, but, when they start papershuffling
to deny claims, they destroy value.Compare Health Insurance to Property Insurance?
P&C is a very efficient business. I’ve never had
a Property claim take more then a few days to settle. I’m never happy, but rarely miserable with
their results.Health Insurance takes years to pay anything.
November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM #479242Participant[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
The Washington Post Survey.
At the end of the day, Insurance companies are
MIDDLEMEN!!!!!!. Providers are Doctors, Hospitals
and Labs. Consumers are Individuals.If the point of insurance is to pool risk, then
you need that, but, when they start papershuffling
to deny claims, they destroy value.Compare Health Insurance to Property Insurance?
P&C is a very efficient business. I’ve never had
a Property claim take more then a few days to settle. I’m never happy, but rarely miserable with
their results.Health Insurance takes years to pay anything.
November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM #479609Participant[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
The Washington Post Survey.
At the end of the day, Insurance companies are
MIDDLEMEN!!!!!!. Providers are Doctors, Hospitals
and Labs. Consumers are Individuals.If the point of insurance is to pool risk, then
you need that, but, when they start papershuffling
to deny claims, they destroy value.Compare Health Insurance to Property Insurance?
P&C is a very efficient business. I’ve never had
a Property claim take more then a few days to settle. I’m never happy, but rarely miserable with
their results.Health Insurance takes years to pay anything.
November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM #479688Participant[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
The Washington Post Survey.
At the end of the day, Insurance companies are
MIDDLEMEN!!!!!!. Providers are Doctors, Hospitals
and Labs. Consumers are Individuals.If the point of insurance is to pool risk, then
you need that, but, when they start papershuffling
to deny claims, they destroy value.Compare Health Insurance to Property Insurance?
P&C is a very efficient business. I’ve never had
a Property claim take more then a few days to settle. I’m never happy, but rarely miserable with
their results.Health Insurance takes years to pay anything.
November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM #479909Participant[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
The Washington Post Survey.
At the end of the day, Insurance companies are
MIDDLEMEN!!!!!!. Providers are Doctors, Hospitals
and Labs. Consumers are Individuals.If the point of insurance is to pool risk, then
you need that, but, when they start papershuffling
to deny claims, they destroy value.Compare Health Insurance to Property Insurance?
P&C is a very efficient business. I’ve never had
a Property claim take more then a few days to settle. I’m never happy, but rarely miserable with
their results.Health Insurance takes years to pay anything.
November 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM #479166sd_matt
Participant[quote=fishsticks][quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).[/quote]
Ok and Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR ect all employ professionals yet come up with different stories. Ya got any ideas?
November 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM #479335Participant[quote=fishsticks][quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).[/quote]
Ok and Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR ect all employ professionals yet come up with different stories. Ya got any ideas?
November 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM #479702Participant[quote=fishsticks][quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).[/quote]
Ok and Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR ect all employ professionals yet come up with different stories. Ya got any ideas?
November 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM #479781Participant[quote=fishsticks][quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]
Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).[/quote]
Ok and Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR ect all employ professionals yet come up with different stories. Ya got any ideas?
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