House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[jpinpb]

Thank you.

[ucodegen]

I looked up average patient to RN ratio for a nursing home and it’s 30 to 1. That’s almost 10x more than the hospital.

Please cite source.. I got my info from asking the nursing home where my father was.

The fact that non-profit and for-profit hospital charge similar fees means either non-profit are hiding their cash somewhere

I suspect the former because their charges are way in excess of what their costs seem to be. It can also be that being owned by a non-profit brands them as a non profit even though they are turning a profit. Somehow.. for not being profitable, they can find a lot of money to build even bigger hospitals. In addition, hospital room charges are way in excess of what hospital room costs are in Universal Health Care countries. Japan charges $10/day (too low).. it was recently on KPBS. Some of the difference may be to changing how support people (RN, LVN) are charged.. that is why I want to see the charge structure because the numbers don’t add up right.

[ucodegen]

I looked up average patient to RN ratio for a nursing home and it’s 30 to 1. That’s almost 10x more than the hospital.

Please cite source.. I got my info from asking the nursing home where my father was.

The fact that non-profit and for-profit hospital charge similar fees means either non-profit are hiding their cash somewhere

I suspect the former because their charges are way in excess of what their costs seem to be. It can also be that being owned by a non-profit brands them as a non profit even though they are turning a profit. Somehow.. for not being profitable, they can find a lot of money to build even bigger hospitals. In addition, hospital room charges are way in excess of what hospital room costs are in Universal Health Care countries. Japan charges $10/day (too low).. it was recently on KPBS. Some of the difference may be to changing how support people (RN, LVN) are charged.. that is why I want to see the charge structure because the numbers don’t add up right.

[ucodegen]

I looked up average patient to RN ratio for a nursing home and it’s 30 to 1. That’s almost 10x more than the hospital.

Please cite source.. I got my info from asking the nursing home where my father was.

The fact that non-profit and for-profit hospital charge similar fees means either non-profit are hiding their cash somewhere

I suspect the former because their charges are way in excess of what their costs seem to be. It can also be that being owned by a non-profit brands them as a non profit even though they are turning a profit. Somehow.. for not being profitable, they can find a lot of money to build even bigger hospitals. In addition, hospital room charges are way in excess of what hospital room costs are in Universal Health Care countries. Japan charges $10/day (too low).. it was recently on KPBS. Some of the difference may be to changing how support people (RN, LVN) are charged.. that is why I want to see the charge structure because the numbers don’t add up right.

[ucodegen]

I looked up average patient to RN ratio for a nursing home and it’s 30 to 1. That’s almost 10x more than the hospital.

Please cite source.. I got my info from asking the nursing home where my father was.

The fact that non-profit and for-profit hospital charge similar fees means either non-profit are hiding their cash somewhere

I suspect the former because their charges are way in excess of what their costs seem to be. It can also be that being owned by a non-profit brands them as a non profit even though they are turning a profit. Somehow.. for not being profitable, they can find a lot of money to build even bigger hospitals. In addition, hospital room charges are way in excess of what hospital room costs are in Universal Health Care countries. Japan charges $10/day (too low).. it was recently on KPBS. Some of the difference may be to changing how support people (RN, LVN) are charged.. that is why I want to see the charge structure because the numbers don’t add up right.

[ucodegen]

I looked up average patient to RN ratio for a nursing home and it’s 30 to 1. That’s almost 10x more than the hospital.

Please cite source.. I got my info from asking the nursing home where my father was.

The fact that non-profit and for-profit hospital charge similar fees means either non-profit are hiding their cash somewhere

I suspect the former because their charges are way in excess of what their costs seem to be. It can also be that being owned by a non-profit brands them as a non profit even though they are turning a profit. Somehow.. for not being profitable, they can find a lot of money to build even bigger hospitals. In addition, hospital room charges are way in excess of what hospital room costs are in Universal Health Care countries. Japan charges $10/day (too low).. it was recently on KPBS. Some of the difference may be to changing how support people (RN, LVN) are charged.. that is why I want to see the charge structure because the numbers don’t add up right.

[an]

Since you’ve already asked your dad’s nursing home, what’s their patient to RN ratio? Here are two sources I’ve found: http://www.ultimatenurse.com/forum/f16/nurse-patient-ratio-nursing-home-1142/
http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/staff-patient-ratio-155602.html
Another source is my wife, who is a nurse and she used to volunteer at a nursing home when she was in school.

Scripps has always been a non-profit organization, since its first inception many many years ago. I wonder what’s the # for VA hospital. That might tell you what’s the real market rate. profit vs non-profit vs VA.

So, do you know if the nursing home hire doctors and pharmacists? I assume family doctors get paid a lot less then surgeons too.

[an]

Since you’ve already asked your dad’s nursing home, what’s their patient to RN ratio? Here are two sources I’ve found: http://www.ultimatenurse.com/forum/f16/nurse-patient-ratio-nursing-home-1142/
http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/staff-patient-ratio-155602.html
Another source is my wife, who is a nurse and she used to volunteer at a nursing home when she was in school.

Scripps has always been a non-profit organization, since its first inception many many years ago. I wonder what’s the # for VA hospital. That might tell you what’s the real market rate. profit vs non-profit vs VA.

So, do you know if the nursing home hire doctors and pharmacists? I assume family doctors get paid a lot less then surgeons too.

[an]

Since you’ve already asked your dad’s nursing home, what’s their patient to RN ratio? Here are two sources I’ve found: http://www.ultimatenurse.com/forum/f16/nurse-patient-ratio-nursing-home-1142/
http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/staff-patient-ratio-155602.html
Another source is my wife, who is a nurse and she used to volunteer at a nursing home when she was in school.

Scripps has always been a non-profit organization, since its first inception many many years ago. I wonder what’s the # for VA hospital. That might tell you what’s the real market rate. profit vs non-profit vs VA.

So, do you know if the nursing home hire doctors and pharmacists? I assume family doctors get paid a lot less then surgeons too.

[an]

Since you’ve already asked your dad’s nursing home, what’s their patient to RN ratio? Here are two sources I’ve found: http://www.ultimatenurse.com/forum/f16/nurse-patient-ratio-nursing-home-1142/
http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/staff-patient-ratio-155602.html
Another source is my wife, who is a nurse and she used to volunteer at a nursing home when she was in school.

Scripps has always been a non-profit organization, since its first inception many many years ago. I wonder what’s the # for VA hospital. That might tell you what’s the real market rate. profit vs non-profit vs VA.

So, do you know if the nursing home hire doctors and pharmacists? I assume family doctors get paid a lot less then surgeons too.

[an]

Since you’ve already asked your dad’s nursing home, what’s their patient to RN ratio? Here are two sources I’ve found: http://www.ultimatenurse.com/forum/f16/nurse-patient-ratio-nursing-home-1142/
http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/staff-patient-ratio-155602.html
Another source is my wife, who is a nurse and she used to volunteer at a nursing home when she was in school.

Scripps has always been a non-profit organization, since its first inception many many years ago. I wonder what’s the # for VA hospital. That might tell you what’s the real market rate. profit vs non-profit vs VA.

So, do you know if the nursing home hire doctors and pharmacists? I assume family doctors get paid a lot less then surgeons too.

[Ricechex]

Health insurance needs to be REGULATED, rather than entire “reform.” What is the point of creating a new program? Fix what we have.

The “public option” will increase revenues for private parties, and we will pay for it. Here is my take on how it will play out:

Government will outsource the “public option” to private company of its choice. Usually, the lowest bidder or a “known” party, such as Halliburton/KBR.

If it is a “fee for service” contract, then the company will employ as little laborers/medical professionals as possible, because the company owners are in it for profit. Thus, if the job calls for 10 M.D.s, only 6 will actually be employed. Of those 6, 5 will be interns, new to the field, and/or stormy and unstable job history. Why? Because the company wants profit, so people of these backgrounds will take a low salary.

The management positions will be government, and those chosen will have little knowledge about medical care and few qualifications, other than to respond to the higher ranking government employees trying to build their empire.

Medical treatment decisions will be decided by a “committee” of people that know little about health care. If any of you are government employees, I correlate this to NSPS “pay pool” and their mission will be to deny care.

As far as the folks getting booted from insurance due to disability, pre-existing conditions, they will take the “public option” for care. Thus, “Halliburton/KBR” will demand more money from the government/taxpayers to pay for long term and or chronic illnesses. However, that will be small potatoes compared with amount of disenfranchised people receiving benefits. That is going to cost us big.

This is just another entitlement program, disguised as “helping everyone”. This is creation of another monster that will spiral out of control. Politicians will herald its success.

[Ricechex]

Health insurance needs to be REGULATED, rather than entire “reform.” What is the point of creating a new program? Fix what we have.

The “public option” will increase revenues for private parties, and we will pay for it. Here is my take on how it will play out:

Government will outsource the “public option” to private company of its choice. Usually, the lowest bidder or a “known” party, such as Halliburton/KBR.

If it is a “fee for service” contract, then the company will employ as little laborers/medical professionals as possible, because the company owners are in it for profit. Thus, if the job calls for 10 M.D.s, only 6 will actually be employed. Of those 6, 5 will be interns, new to the field, and/or stormy and unstable job history. Why? Because the company wants profit, so people of these backgrounds will take a low salary.

The management positions will be government, and those chosen will have little knowledge about medical care and few qualifications, other than to respond to the higher ranking government employees trying to build their empire.

Medical treatment decisions will be decided by a “committee” of people that know little about health care. If any of you are government employees, I correlate this to NSPS “pay pool” and their mission will be to deny care.

As far as the folks getting booted from insurance due to disability, pre-existing conditions, they will take the “public option” for care. Thus, “Halliburton/KBR” will demand more money from the government/taxpayers to pay for long term and or chronic illnesses. However, that will be small potatoes compared with amount of disenfranchised people receiving benefits. That is going to cost us big.

This is just another entitlement program, disguised as “helping everyone”. This is creation of another monster that will spiral out of control. Politicians will herald its success.

[Ricechex]

Health insurance needs to be REGULATED, rather than entire “reform.” What is the point of creating a new program? Fix what we have.

The “public option” will increase revenues for private parties, and we will pay for it. Here is my take on how it will play out:

Government will outsource the “public option” to private company of its choice. Usually, the lowest bidder or a “known” party, such as Halliburton/KBR.

If it is a “fee for service” contract, then the company will employ as little laborers/medical professionals as possible, because the company owners are in it for profit. Thus, if the job calls for 10 M.D.s, only 6 will actually be employed. Of those 6, 5 will be interns, new to the field, and/or stormy and unstable job history. Why? Because the company wants profit, so people of these backgrounds will take a low salary.

The management positions will be government, and those chosen will have little knowledge about medical care and few qualifications, other than to respond to the higher ranking government employees trying to build their empire.

Medical treatment decisions will be decided by a “committee” of people that know little about health care. If any of you are government employees, I correlate this to NSPS “pay pool” and their mission will be to deny care.

As far as the folks getting booted from insurance due to disability, pre-existing conditions, they will take the “public option” for care. Thus, “Halliburton/KBR” will demand more money from the government/taxpayers to pay for long term and or chronic illnesses. However, that will be small potatoes compared with amount of disenfranchised people receiving benefits. That is going to cost us big.

This is just another entitlement program, disguised as “helping everyone”. This is creation of another monster that will spiral out of control. Politicians will herald its success.

[Ricechex]

Health insurance needs to be REGULATED, rather than entire “reform.” What is the point of creating a new program? Fix what we have.

The “public option” will increase revenues for private parties, and we will pay for it. Here is my take on how it will play out:

Government will outsource the “public option” to private company of its choice. Usually, the lowest bidder or a “known” party, such as Halliburton/KBR.

If it is a “fee for service” contract, then the company will employ as little laborers/medical professionals as possible, because the company owners are in it for profit. Thus, if the job calls for 10 M.D.s, only 6 will actually be employed. Of those 6, 5 will be interns, new to the field, and/or stormy and unstable job history. Why? Because the company wants profit, so people of these backgrounds will take a low salary.

The management positions will be government, and those chosen will have little knowledge about medical care and few qualifications, other than to respond to the higher ranking government employees trying to build their empire.

Medical treatment decisions will be decided by a “committee” of people that know little about health care. If any of you are government employees, I correlate this to NSPS “pay pool” and their mission will be to deny care.

As far as the folks getting booted from insurance due to disability, pre-existing conditions, they will take the “public option” for care. Thus, “Halliburton/KBR” will demand more money from the government/taxpayers to pay for long term and or chronic illnesses. However, that will be small potatoes compared with amount of disenfranchised people receiving benefits. That is going to cost us big.

This is just another entitlement program, disguised as “helping everyone”. This is creation of another monster that will spiral out of control. Politicians will herald its success.

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