House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]

Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.

Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.

Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.

[jpinpb]

Thank you for the explanation and differentiations.

[quote=SK in CV]
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.[/quote]

He wasn’t testifying as an expert, just the treatment provided. Specifically not testifying as an expert and forbidden from offering expert testimony. Solely on the care provided. He claimed that was what he would be making at his office. That’s what he charges.

[jpinpb]

Thank you for the explanation and differentiations.

[quote=SK in CV]
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.[/quote]

He wasn’t testifying as an expert, just the treatment provided. Specifically not testifying as an expert and forbidden from offering expert testimony. Solely on the care provided. He claimed that was what he would be making at his office. That’s what he charges.

[jpinpb]

Thank you for the explanation and differentiations.

[quote=SK in CV]
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.[/quote]

He wasn’t testifying as an expert, just the treatment provided. Specifically not testifying as an expert and forbidden from offering expert testimony. Solely on the care provided. He claimed that was what he would be making at his office. That’s what he charges.

[jpinpb]

Thank you for the explanation and differentiations.

[quote=SK in CV]
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.[/quote]

He wasn’t testifying as an expert, just the treatment provided. Specifically not testifying as an expert and forbidden from offering expert testimony. Solely on the care provided. He claimed that was what he would be making at his office. That’s what he charges.

[jpinpb]

Thank you for the explanation and differentiations.

[quote=SK in CV]
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.[/quote]

He wasn’t testifying as an expert, just the treatment provided. Specifically not testifying as an expert and forbidden from offering expert testimony. Solely on the care provided. He claimed that was what he would be making at his office. That’s what he charges.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen, hospital also pays doctors, pharmacists, pharm tech, various other techs, equipments that nursing homes don’t have, team of lawyers. Those might contribute to the cost differences.

Nursing homes have doctors, pharmacists, pharm techs and various other techs.. they also have lawyers.. though admittedly, not as many as a hospital.

One pharmacist can handle the prescriptions for way more than 4 patients, likewise pharm techs and various other techs. I suspect that the hospital lawyers are actually a law firm on consignment. If I double the number of nurses I should get close.. but I don’t. There is definitely something up. When you look at the room cost of a non-profit vs for-profit.. they are basically the same. It doesn’t make sense.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen, hospital also pays doctors, pharmacists, pharm tech, various other techs, equipments that nursing homes don’t have, team of lawyers. Those might contribute to the cost differences.

Nursing homes have doctors, pharmacists, pharm techs and various other techs.. they also have lawyers.. though admittedly, not as many as a hospital.

One pharmacist can handle the prescriptions for way more than 4 patients, likewise pharm techs and various other techs. I suspect that the hospital lawyers are actually a law firm on consignment. If I double the number of nurses I should get close.. but I don’t. There is definitely something up. When you look at the room cost of a non-profit vs for-profit.. they are basically the same. It doesn’t make sense.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen, hospital also pays doctors, pharmacists, pharm tech, various other techs, equipments that nursing homes don’t have, team of lawyers. Those might contribute to the cost differences.

Nursing homes have doctors, pharmacists, pharm techs and various other techs.. they also have lawyers.. though admittedly, not as many as a hospital.

One pharmacist can handle the prescriptions for way more than 4 patients, likewise pharm techs and various other techs. I suspect that the hospital lawyers are actually a law firm on consignment. If I double the number of nurses I should get close.. but I don’t. There is definitely something up. When you look at the room cost of a non-profit vs for-profit.. they are basically the same. It doesn’t make sense.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen, hospital also pays doctors, pharmacists, pharm tech, various other techs, equipments that nursing homes don’t have, team of lawyers. Those might contribute to the cost differences.

Nursing homes have doctors, pharmacists, pharm techs and various other techs.. they also have lawyers.. though admittedly, not as many as a hospital.

One pharmacist can handle the prescriptions for way more than 4 patients, likewise pharm techs and various other techs. I suspect that the hospital lawyers are actually a law firm on consignment. If I double the number of nurses I should get close.. but I don’t. There is definitely something up. When you look at the room cost of a non-profit vs for-profit.. they are basically the same. It doesn’t make sense.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen, hospital also pays doctors, pharmacists, pharm tech, various other techs, equipments that nursing homes don’t have, team of lawyers. Those might contribute to the cost differences.

Nursing homes have doctors, pharmacists, pharm techs and various other techs.. they also have lawyers.. though admittedly, not as many as a hospital.

One pharmacist can handle the prescriptions for way more than 4 patients, likewise pharm techs and various other techs. I suspect that the hospital lawyers are actually a law firm on consignment. If I double the number of nurses I should get close.. but I don’t. There is definitely something up. When you look at the room cost of a non-profit vs for-profit.. they are basically the same. It doesn’t make sense.

[ucodegen]

I still think it would be better to fire Congress and then start with subtle changes to the current system like allowing interstate competition and getting rid of the anti-trust exemption.

I think the best way is a progressive series of legislations.. This way you don’t make a big, hard to correct mistake.
1) remove anti-trust exemption
2) allow interstate competition
3) allow people to carry their insurance after job loss at their current payout rate(from the same provider) – but they also have to pay the company contrib part after the job loss.
4) Treat health savings accounts like a 401K.. unspent money can be rolled over to the next year.
5) Insurer can’t cancel a policy once a person has a systemic illness while covered. All of the payments the person made up to then was to cover such an event.
… just a start.

[ucodegen]

I still think it would be better to fire Congress and then start with subtle changes to the current system like allowing interstate competition and getting rid of the anti-trust exemption.

I think the best way is a progressive series of legislations.. This way you don’t make a big, hard to correct mistake.
1) remove anti-trust exemption
2) allow interstate competition
3) allow people to carry their insurance after job loss at their current payout rate(from the same provider) – but they also have to pay the company contrib part after the job loss.
4) Treat health savings accounts like a 401K.. unspent money can be rolled over to the next year.
5) Insurer can’t cancel a policy once a person has a systemic illness while covered. All of the payments the person made up to then was to cover such an event.
… just a start.

[ucodegen]

I still think it would be better to fire Congress and then start with subtle changes to the current system like allowing interstate competition and getting rid of the anti-trust exemption.

I think the best way is a progressive series of legislations.. This way you don’t make a big, hard to correct mistake.
1) remove anti-trust exemption
2) allow interstate competition
3) allow people to carry their insurance after job loss at their current payout rate(from the same provider) – but they also have to pay the company contrib part after the job loss.
4) Treat health savings accounts like a 401K.. unspent money can be rolled over to the next year.
5) Insurer can’t cancel a policy once a person has a systemic illness while covered. All of the payments the person made up to then was to cover such an event.
… just a start.

[ucodegen]

I still think it would be better to fire Congress and then start with subtle changes to the current system like allowing interstate competition and getting rid of the anti-trust exemption.

I think the best way is a progressive series of legislations.. This way you don’t make a big, hard to correct mistake.
1) remove anti-trust exemption
2) allow interstate competition
3) allow people to carry their insurance after job loss at their current payout rate(from the same provider) – but they also have to pay the company contrib part after the job loss.
4) Treat health savings accounts like a 401K.. unspent money can be rolled over to the next year.
5) Insurer can’t cancel a policy once a person has a systemic illness while covered. All of the payments the person made up to then was to cover such an event.
… just a start.

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