House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[SK in CV]

[quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]

Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.

[an]

[quote=ucodegen]
Actually, it is close to the same between nursing home and hospital in terms of nurse/patient ratios. Nursing homes have a higher ratio of elderly patients than hospitals. Even at 2x ratio, it is not enough of a difference. To weigh out the difference, you’ll need ($90,000 – $3,500)/($80,000/12) = 12.975 nurses per patient, full time dedicated to one patient only.. doesn’t work. I initially thought the same as you until I had to deal with both of my parent’s issues (Dad was in nursing home, Mother had to go to hospital for spinal stenosis).

Also remember that hospitals microbill you for every nit..[/quote]
I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging. If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

[an]

[quote=ucodegen]
Actually, it is close to the same between nursing home and hospital in terms of nurse/patient ratios. Nursing homes have a higher ratio of elderly patients than hospitals. Even at 2x ratio, it is not enough of a difference. To weigh out the difference, you’ll need ($90,000 – $3,500)/($80,000/12) = 12.975 nurses per patient, full time dedicated to one patient only.. doesn’t work. I initially thought the same as you until I had to deal with both of my parent’s issues (Dad was in nursing home, Mother had to go to hospital for spinal stenosis).

Also remember that hospitals microbill you for every nit..[/quote]
I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging. If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

[an]

[quote=ucodegen]
Actually, it is close to the same between nursing home and hospital in terms of nurse/patient ratios. Nursing homes have a higher ratio of elderly patients than hospitals. Even at 2x ratio, it is not enough of a difference. To weigh out the difference, you’ll need ($90,000 – $3,500)/($80,000/12) = 12.975 nurses per patient, full time dedicated to one patient only.. doesn’t work. I initially thought the same as you until I had to deal with both of my parent’s issues (Dad was in nursing home, Mother had to go to hospital for spinal stenosis).

Also remember that hospitals microbill you for every nit..[/quote]
I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging. If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

[an]

[quote=ucodegen]
Actually, it is close to the same between nursing home and hospital in terms of nurse/patient ratios. Nursing homes have a higher ratio of elderly patients than hospitals. Even at 2x ratio, it is not enough of a difference. To weigh out the difference, you’ll need ($90,000 – $3,500)/($80,000/12) = 12.975 nurses per patient, full time dedicated to one patient only.. doesn’t work. I initially thought the same as you until I had to deal with both of my parent’s issues (Dad was in nursing home, Mother had to go to hospital for spinal stenosis).

Also remember that hospitals microbill you for every nit..[/quote]
I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging. If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

[an]

[quote=ucodegen]
Actually, it is close to the same between nursing home and hospital in terms of nurse/patient ratios. Nursing homes have a higher ratio of elderly patients than hospitals. Even at 2x ratio, it is not enough of a difference. To weigh out the difference, you’ll need ($90,000 – $3,500)/($80,000/12) = 12.975 nurses per patient, full time dedicated to one patient only.. doesn’t work. I initially thought the same as you until I had to deal with both of my parent’s issues (Dad was in nursing home, Mother had to go to hospital for spinal stenosis).

Also remember that hospitals microbill you for every nit..[/quote]
I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging. If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. [/quote]

For the same reason we have universal education up through high school.

I believe that we would save money over the long term if everyone had health care coverage — just like we are better off for having an educated population.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. [/quote]

For the same reason we have universal education up through high school.

I believe that we would save money over the long term if everyone had health care coverage — just like we are better off for having an educated population.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. [/quote]

For the same reason we have universal education up through high school.

I believe that we would save money over the long term if everyone had health care coverage — just like we are better off for having an educated population.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. [/quote]

For the same reason we have universal education up through high school.

I believe that we would save money over the long term if everyone had health care coverage — just like we are better off for having an educated population.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. [/quote]

For the same reason we have universal education up through high school.

I believe that we would save money over the long term if everyone had health care coverage — just like we are better off for having an educated population.

[mike92104]

[quote=ucodegen]

But we need to deal with things one step at a time.

The first order of priority is to provide universal health care.

Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. Universal Health care is seen as the solution… why not address the real cause first.. and then see if Universal Health care is really needed. All that Universal Health care will do is hide the costs.. and give the money gobbling parties yet a bigger purse to feed from. This is likely to stop people from pursuing the real costs because they can no longer see them. They just see ‘higher taxes’ and not the real cause. The politicians then can start using the hot-potato blame game to keep themselves in power..[/quote]

Exactly. I see this as just a ruse to supply the congress with another trough to feed from. I don’t see that it does anything to significantly change the system as a whole.

[mike92104]

[quote=ucodegen]

But we need to deal with things one step at a time.

The first order of priority is to provide universal health care.

Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. Universal Health care is seen as the solution… why not address the real cause first.. and then see if Universal Health care is really needed. All that Universal Health care will do is hide the costs.. and give the money gobbling parties yet a bigger purse to feed from. This is likely to stop people from pursuing the real costs because they can no longer see them. They just see ‘higher taxes’ and not the real cause. The politicians then can start using the hot-potato blame game to keep themselves in power..[/quote]

Exactly. I see this as just a ruse to supply the congress with another trough to feed from. I don’t see that it does anything to significantly change the system as a whole.

[mike92104]

[quote=ucodegen]

But we need to deal with things one step at a time.

The first order of priority is to provide universal health care.

Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. Universal Health care is seen as the solution… why not address the real cause first.. and then see if Universal Health care is really needed. All that Universal Health care will do is hide the costs.. and give the money gobbling parties yet a bigger purse to feed from. This is likely to stop people from pursuing the real costs because they can no longer see them. They just see ‘higher taxes’ and not the real cause. The politicians then can start using the hot-potato blame game to keep themselves in power..[/quote]

Exactly. I see this as just a ruse to supply the congress with another trough to feed from. I don’t see that it does anything to significantly change the system as a whole.

[mike92104]

[quote=ucodegen]

But we need to deal with things one step at a time.

The first order of priority is to provide universal health care.

Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. Universal Health care is seen as the solution… why not address the real cause first.. and then see if Universal Health care is really needed. All that Universal Health care will do is hide the costs.. and give the money gobbling parties yet a bigger purse to feed from. This is likely to stop people from pursuing the real costs because they can no longer see them. They just see ‘higher taxes’ and not the real cause. The politicians then can start using the hot-potato blame game to keep themselves in power..[/quote]

Exactly. I see this as just a ruse to supply the congress with another trough to feed from. I don’t see that it does anything to significantly change the system as a whole.

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