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October 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM #465710October 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM #464904
sd_matt
Participant“….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…
October 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM #465092Participant“….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…
October 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM #465439Participant“….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…
October 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM #465510Participant“….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…
October 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM #465720Participant“….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…
October 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM #464919SK in CV
Participant[quote=sd_matt]”….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…[/quote]
I saw that a few weeks ago, and a few things jumped out at me.
First, the poll was done by mail. Highly unusual for scientific polls. I couldn’t find the margin of error (I confess I didn’t look real hard) but I suspect it’s pretty high.
Second, it said “responses are still coming in”. Huh? How can they publish poll results when they don’t have a completed poll? Most any respected pollster will confirm this is both highly unusual and dubious.
Third, at least one of the questions is atrocious: “Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better?”. Good pollsters ask one question at a time. That’s arguably three questions. Otherwise it’s impossible to know which question the respondents are answering. It’s a useless poll question.
And lastly, IBD/Tipp sounded familiar, so I looked. This is the same organization that had the presidential election a year ago a virtual dead heat 11 days before the election, with an astounding almost 12% undecided. More than double any other poll. They also had McCain winning the 18-24 demographic by a whopping 74 to 22% margin. According to the NY Times, just 11 days later, Obama won that demographic by a margin of 66 to 32%.
As a professional polling organization, IBD/TIPP sucks. Which explains why their poll results are so different than others.
October 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM #465106Participant[quote=sd_matt]”….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…[/quote]
I saw that a few weeks ago, and a few things jumped out at me.
First, the poll was done by mail. Highly unusual for scientific polls. I couldn’t find the margin of error (I confess I didn’t look real hard) but I suspect it’s pretty high.
Second, it said “responses are still coming in”. Huh? How can they publish poll results when they don’t have a completed poll? Most any respected pollster will confirm this is both highly unusual and dubious.
Third, at least one of the questions is atrocious: “Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better?”. Good pollsters ask one question at a time. That’s arguably three questions. Otherwise it’s impossible to know which question the respondents are answering. It’s a useless poll question.
And lastly, IBD/Tipp sounded familiar, so I looked. This is the same organization that had the presidential election a year ago a virtual dead heat 11 days before the election, with an astounding almost 12% undecided. More than double any other poll. They also had McCain winning the 18-24 demographic by a whopping 74 to 22% margin. According to the NY Times, just 11 days later, Obama won that demographic by a margin of 66 to 32%.
As a professional polling organization, IBD/TIPP sucks. Which explains why their poll results are so different than others.
October 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM #465454Participant[quote=sd_matt]”….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…[/quote]
I saw that a few weeks ago, and a few things jumped out at me.
First, the poll was done by mail. Highly unusual for scientific polls. I couldn’t find the margin of error (I confess I didn’t look real hard) but I suspect it’s pretty high.
Second, it said “responses are still coming in”. Huh? How can they publish poll results when they don’t have a completed poll? Most any respected pollster will confirm this is both highly unusual and dubious.
Third, at least one of the questions is atrocious: “Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better?”. Good pollsters ask one question at a time. That’s arguably three questions. Otherwise it’s impossible to know which question the respondents are answering. It’s a useless poll question.
And lastly, IBD/Tipp sounded familiar, so I looked. This is the same organization that had the presidential election a year ago a virtual dead heat 11 days before the election, with an astounding almost 12% undecided. More than double any other poll. They also had McCain winning the 18-24 demographic by a whopping 74 to 22% margin. According to the NY Times, just 11 days later, Obama won that demographic by a margin of 66 to 32%.
As a professional polling organization, IBD/TIPP sucks. Which explains why their poll results are so different than others.
October 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM #465525Participant[quote=sd_matt]”….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…[/quote]
I saw that a few weeks ago, and a few things jumped out at me.
First, the poll was done by mail. Highly unusual for scientific polls. I couldn’t find the margin of error (I confess I didn’t look real hard) but I suspect it’s pretty high.
Second, it said “responses are still coming in”. Huh? How can they publish poll results when they don’t have a completed poll? Most any respected pollster will confirm this is both highly unusual and dubious.
Third, at least one of the questions is atrocious: “Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better?”. Good pollsters ask one question at a time. That’s arguably three questions. Otherwise it’s impossible to know which question the respondents are answering. It’s a useless poll question.
And lastly, IBD/Tipp sounded familiar, so I looked. This is the same organization that had the presidential election a year ago a virtual dead heat 11 days before the election, with an astounding almost 12% undecided. More than double any other poll. They also had McCain winning the 18-24 demographic by a whopping 74 to 22% margin. According to the NY Times, just 11 days later, Obama won that demographic by a margin of 66 to 32%.
As a professional polling organization, IBD/TIPP sucks. Which explains why their poll results are so different than others.
October 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM #465735Participant[quote=sd_matt]”….70% of doctors polled in a Tipp/IBD poll 2 weeks ago opposed it, 45% said they would retire or quit the profession….”
Quite the disparity.
But who is Tipp/IBD? Ah here we go…http://www.tipponline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3
Lets see what I can find from Gallup or Pew…[/quote]
I saw that a few weeks ago, and a few things jumped out at me.
First, the poll was done by mail. Highly unusual for scientific polls. I couldn’t find the margin of error (I confess I didn’t look real hard) but I suspect it’s pretty high.
Second, it said “responses are still coming in”. Huh? How can they publish poll results when they don’t have a completed poll? Most any respected pollster will confirm this is both highly unusual and dubious.
Third, at least one of the questions is atrocious: “Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better?”. Good pollsters ask one question at a time. That’s arguably three questions. Otherwise it’s impossible to know which question the respondents are answering. It’s a useless poll question.
And lastly, IBD/Tipp sounded familiar, so I looked. This is the same organization that had the presidential election a year ago a virtual dead heat 11 days before the election, with an astounding almost 12% undecided. More than double any other poll. They also had McCain winning the 18-24 demographic by a whopping 74 to 22% margin. According to the NY Times, just 11 days later, Obama won that demographic by a margin of 66 to 32%.
As a professional polling organization, IBD/TIPP sucks. Which explains why their poll results are so different than others.
October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM #464939ucodegen
ParticipantRecent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
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If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.
How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.
October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM #465125ParticipantRecent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
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If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.
How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.
October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM #465474ParticipantRecent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
..
If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.
How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.
October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM #465545ParticipantRecent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
..
If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.
How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.
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