Healthcare is not a right!?

[davelj]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=treehugger]My sister is 40 years old. 5’8″ 350 pounds.

Me 38 years old. 5’7″ 120 pounds[/quote]

A 300+ pound difference in weight between two siblings? That’s pretty unusual. Should we be basing national policy on such a single, extreme, example?

I’m no fan of sloth and gluttony, but most people couldn’t bring their weight up to 350 pounds even if they wanted to (I know I couldn’t).

And you really think the difference is simply that “she’s lazy and I’m not.”

Did ever occur to you, in the past three decades that you’ve known her, that she might actually have a medical condition?[/quote]

It doesn’t diminish your point, but I think you meant to say 200+ pound difference.

[scaredyclassic]

people are overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. that’s it. there is no other reason. things affect your calorie burn rate. how peppy you are. a very few rare conditions. genetics. but basically, yeah, you are overweight if you eat more than you burn. You could run and exercise a lot but if you eat more than you move, you gain. “Lazy” is kind of judgmental and it assigns fault. It’s not laziness per se that causes you to be obese; it’s society, attitudes, food everywhere, culture, no exercise options. If you put a rat in a cage, gave it unlimited calories and didn’t let it move, it would porbably get large too. How large depends on the rat. But obesity’s not some virus you catch, either. Obesity is just so awfully depressing and it’s so depressing that health care issues are inextricably intertwined with moral jugdments. it’s making me sad and rethinking my need for a zoloft prescription. i try not to feel morally superior as a thin energetic person, but i find myself sometimes falling into that. That tendency makes me feel icky.

[scaredyclassic]

people are overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. that’s it. there is no other reason. things affect your calorie burn rate. how peppy you are. a very few rare conditions. genetics. but basically, yeah, you are overweight if you eat more than you burn. You could run and exercise a lot but if you eat more than you move, you gain. “Lazy” is kind of judgmental and it assigns fault. It’s not laziness per se that causes you to be obese; it’s society, attitudes, food everywhere, culture, no exercise options. If you put a rat in a cage, gave it unlimited calories and didn’t let it move, it would porbably get large too. How large depends on the rat. But obesity’s not some virus you catch, either. Obesity is just so awfully depressing and it’s so depressing that health care issues are inextricably intertwined with moral jugdments. it’s making me sad and rethinking my need for a zoloft prescription. i try not to feel morally superior as a thin energetic person, but i find myself sometimes falling into that. That tendency makes me feel icky.

[scaredyclassic]

people are overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. that’s it. there is no other reason. things affect your calorie burn rate. how peppy you are. a very few rare conditions. genetics. but basically, yeah, you are overweight if you eat more than you burn. You could run and exercise a lot but if you eat more than you move, you gain. “Lazy” is kind of judgmental and it assigns fault. It’s not laziness per se that causes you to be obese; it’s society, attitudes, food everywhere, culture, no exercise options. If you put a rat in a cage, gave it unlimited calories and didn’t let it move, it would porbably get large too. How large depends on the rat. But obesity’s not some virus you catch, either. Obesity is just so awfully depressing and it’s so depressing that health care issues are inextricably intertwined with moral jugdments. it’s making me sad and rethinking my need for a zoloft prescription. i try not to feel morally superior as a thin energetic person, but i find myself sometimes falling into that. That tendency makes me feel icky.

[scaredyclassic]

people are overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. that’s it. there is no other reason. things affect your calorie burn rate. how peppy you are. a very few rare conditions. genetics. but basically, yeah, you are overweight if you eat more than you burn. You could run and exercise a lot but if you eat more than you move, you gain. “Lazy” is kind of judgmental and it assigns fault. It’s not laziness per se that causes you to be obese; it’s society, attitudes, food everywhere, culture, no exercise options. If you put a rat in a cage, gave it unlimited calories and didn’t let it move, it would porbably get large too. How large depends on the rat. But obesity’s not some virus you catch, either. Obesity is just so awfully depressing and it’s so depressing that health care issues are inextricably intertwined with moral jugdments. it’s making me sad and rethinking my need for a zoloft prescription. i try not to feel morally superior as a thin energetic person, but i find myself sometimes falling into that. That tendency makes me feel icky.

[scaredyclassic]

people are overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. that’s it. there is no other reason. things affect your calorie burn rate. how peppy you are. a very few rare conditions. genetics. but basically, yeah, you are overweight if you eat more than you burn. You could run and exercise a lot but if you eat more than you move, you gain. “Lazy” is kind of judgmental and it assigns fault. It’s not laziness per se that causes you to be obese; it’s society, attitudes, food everywhere, culture, no exercise options. If you put a rat in a cage, gave it unlimited calories and didn’t let it move, it would porbably get large too. How large depends on the rat. But obesity’s not some virus you catch, either. Obesity is just so awfully depressing and it’s so depressing that health care issues are inextricably intertwined with moral jugdments. it’s making me sad and rethinking my need for a zoloft prescription. i try not to feel morally superior as a thin energetic person, but i find myself sometimes falling into that. That tendency makes me feel icky.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the correction. But even a 200 lb. difference between siblings is a bit odd.

It’s well known that a malfunctioning thyroid can be a cause of obesity. There’s also medical evidence that supports the position that people really can’t do much about their natural weight — it is predominately determined by their genetic metabolism. Of course anyone could simply eat less, but I have no doubt that obese people genuinely feel more hunger than those with average weight.

I’m hardly an advocate for the overweight. For example, I believe that they should pay for two seats on a plane if they are wide enough to occupy them (no matter what the cause of their obesity).

I happen to be skinny and physically fit also. It’s not because I work very hard at it, it’s because I was born that way. I certainly can’t claim to have any great self-discipline at the dinner table — I eat as much as I want but I’m lucky enough not to gain weight. I do exercise a lot, but more because I enjoy it than because I am dedicated.

I suppose I could claim that have I demonstrate more “personal responsibility” than others because of my metabolism (and healthy thyroid), but that would simply be untrue.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the correction. But even a 200 lb. difference between siblings is a bit odd.

It’s well known that a malfunctioning thyroid can be a cause of obesity. There’s also medical evidence that supports the position that people really can’t do much about their natural weight — it is predominately determined by their genetic metabolism. Of course anyone could simply eat less, but I have no doubt that obese people genuinely feel more hunger than those with average weight.

I’m hardly an advocate for the overweight. For example, I believe that they should pay for two seats on a plane if they are wide enough to occupy them (no matter what the cause of their obesity).

I happen to be skinny and physically fit also. It’s not because I work very hard at it, it’s because I was born that way. I certainly can’t claim to have any great self-discipline at the dinner table — I eat as much as I want but I’m lucky enough not to gain weight. I do exercise a lot, but more because I enjoy it than because I am dedicated.

I suppose I could claim that have I demonstrate more “personal responsibility” than others because of my metabolism (and healthy thyroid), but that would simply be untrue.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the correction. But even a 200 lb. difference between siblings is a bit odd.

It’s well known that a malfunctioning thyroid can be a cause of obesity. There’s also medical evidence that supports the position that people really can’t do much about their natural weight — it is predominately determined by their genetic metabolism. Of course anyone could simply eat less, but I have no doubt that obese people genuinely feel more hunger than those with average weight.

I’m hardly an advocate for the overweight. For example, I believe that they should pay for two seats on a plane if they are wide enough to occupy them (no matter what the cause of their obesity).

I happen to be skinny and physically fit also. It’s not because I work very hard at it, it’s because I was born that way. I certainly can’t claim to have any great self-discipline at the dinner table — I eat as much as I want but I’m lucky enough not to gain weight. I do exercise a lot, but more because I enjoy it than because I am dedicated.

I suppose I could claim that have I demonstrate more “personal responsibility” than others because of my metabolism (and healthy thyroid), but that would simply be untrue.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the correction. But even a 200 lb. difference between siblings is a bit odd.

It’s well known that a malfunctioning thyroid can be a cause of obesity. There’s also medical evidence that supports the position that people really can’t do much about their natural weight — it is predominately determined by their genetic metabolism. Of course anyone could simply eat less, but I have no doubt that obese people genuinely feel more hunger than those with average weight.

I’m hardly an advocate for the overweight. For example, I believe that they should pay for two seats on a plane if they are wide enough to occupy them (no matter what the cause of their obesity).

I happen to be skinny and physically fit also. It’s not because I work very hard at it, it’s because I was born that way. I certainly can’t claim to have any great self-discipline at the dinner table — I eat as much as I want but I’m lucky enough not to gain weight. I do exercise a lot, but more because I enjoy it than because I am dedicated.

I suppose I could claim that have I demonstrate more “personal responsibility” than others because of my metabolism (and healthy thyroid), but that would simply be untrue.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the correction. But even a 200 lb. difference between siblings is a bit odd.

It’s well known that a malfunctioning thyroid can be a cause of obesity. There’s also medical evidence that supports the position that people really can’t do much about their natural weight — it is predominately determined by their genetic metabolism. Of course anyone could simply eat less, but I have no doubt that obese people genuinely feel more hunger than those with average weight.

I’m hardly an advocate for the overweight. For example, I believe that they should pay for two seats on a plane if they are wide enough to occupy them (no matter what the cause of their obesity).

I happen to be skinny and physically fit also. It’s not because I work very hard at it, it’s because I was born that way. I certainly can’t claim to have any great self-discipline at the dinner table — I eat as much as I want but I’m lucky enough not to gain weight. I do exercise a lot, but more because I enjoy it than because I am dedicated.

I suppose I could claim that have I demonstrate more “personal responsibility” than others because of my metabolism (and healthy thyroid), but that would simply be untrue.

[scaredyclassic]

isn’t that a bit like saying people cannot do much about their financial situation. some people just want to buy stuff more.

just because you’re hungry for stuff, or food, doesn’t mean you act on it. Of course anyone could simply eat less (or spend less) … and they would weigh less or have more money.

it’s true it does come more naturally for some pople. but isn’t it all self-reinforcing. when you’re hopelessly in debt, why not charge it. when youre hevay and lethargic, why bother to walk across the parking lot?

[scaredyclassic]

isn’t that a bit like saying people cannot do much about their financial situation. some people just want to buy stuff more.

just because you’re hungry for stuff, or food, doesn’t mean you act on it. Of course anyone could simply eat less (or spend less) … and they would weigh less or have more money.

it’s true it does come more naturally for some pople. but isn’t it all self-reinforcing. when you’re hopelessly in debt, why not charge it. when youre hevay and lethargic, why bother to walk across the parking lot?

[scaredyclassic]

isn’t that a bit like saying people cannot do much about their financial situation. some people just want to buy stuff more.

just because you’re hungry for stuff, or food, doesn’t mean you act on it. Of course anyone could simply eat less (or spend less) … and they would weigh less or have more money.

it’s true it does come more naturally for some pople. but isn’t it all self-reinforcing. when you’re hopelessly in debt, why not charge it. when youre hevay and lethargic, why bother to walk across the parking lot?

[scaredyclassic]

isn’t that a bit like saying people cannot do much about their financial situation. some people just want to buy stuff more.

just because you’re hungry for stuff, or food, doesn’t mean you act on it. Of course anyone could simply eat less (or spend less) … and they would weigh less or have more money.

it’s true it does come more naturally for some pople. but isn’t it all self-reinforcing. when you’re hopelessly in debt, why not charge it. when youre hevay and lethargic, why bother to walk across the parking lot?

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