Healthcare is not a right!?

[davelj]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=davelj][quote=urbanrealtor]

5.4 percent of my income for universal health care is not one of them.[/quote]

First, isn’t 5.4% the marginal (as opposed to “effective”) rate that kicks in for couples earning over $1 million (and individuals earning over $500,000)? (Maybe I’ve got the break points wrong.)

Second, are you certain that use of the term “my” (indicating “your”) applies here? Or should that be “one’s.”[/quote]
You are right I think but that is still a couple of non-points. I don’t think that the thrust changes based on the semantics.[/quote]

I don’t entirely disagree (maybe a bit), but… as my father used to say, “Where you stand often depends upon where you sit.” That is, it’s easy to say that 5.4% of one’s income isn’t a big deal when you’re not the one paying it. (And let me be clear, I don’t plan on paying it anytime soon, either.)

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t have any right to an attorney unless the state is trying to lock you up.

there is unlikely, almost certainly, never to ever be found a constitutional right to health care, even in the odd penumbra that some courts have found rights to dwell. But I could be surprised. I don’t know about the whole taxation to pay for it; I would assume congress could figure out a way to write it so it passes muster.

I would consult with an attorney before relying on my interpretation of the constitution, however. I’d hate for you to say, hey, scaredy cat told me the constitution means X, only to find out, much to your chagrin, a future Supreme Court interpreted it to say Y. Scaredycat said i don’t have a constitutional right to smoke pot, or I did have a constitutional right to a colonoscopy, and somehow he ended up being incredibly wrong, and my bong has been found to violate the commerce clause? The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful. Kinda like the Torah is cool, but it’s the talmudic commentary that makes jews jews.

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t have any right to an attorney unless the state is trying to lock you up.

there is unlikely, almost certainly, never to ever be found a constitutional right to health care, even in the odd penumbra that some courts have found rights to dwell. But I could be surprised. I don’t know about the whole taxation to pay for it; I would assume congress could figure out a way to write it so it passes muster.

I would consult with an attorney before relying on my interpretation of the constitution, however. I’d hate for you to say, hey, scaredy cat told me the constitution means X, only to find out, much to your chagrin, a future Supreme Court interpreted it to say Y. Scaredycat said i don’t have a constitutional right to smoke pot, or I did have a constitutional right to a colonoscopy, and somehow he ended up being incredibly wrong, and my bong has been found to violate the commerce clause? The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful. Kinda like the Torah is cool, but it’s the talmudic commentary that makes jews jews.

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t have any right to an attorney unless the state is trying to lock you up.

there is unlikely, almost certainly, never to ever be found a constitutional right to health care, even in the odd penumbra that some courts have found rights to dwell. But I could be surprised. I don’t know about the whole taxation to pay for it; I would assume congress could figure out a way to write it so it passes muster.

I would consult with an attorney before relying on my interpretation of the constitution, however. I’d hate for you to say, hey, scaredy cat told me the constitution means X, only to find out, much to your chagrin, a future Supreme Court interpreted it to say Y. Scaredycat said i don’t have a constitutional right to smoke pot, or I did have a constitutional right to a colonoscopy, and somehow he ended up being incredibly wrong, and my bong has been found to violate the commerce clause? The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful. Kinda like the Torah is cool, but it’s the talmudic commentary that makes jews jews.

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t have any right to an attorney unless the state is trying to lock you up.

there is unlikely, almost certainly, never to ever be found a constitutional right to health care, even in the odd penumbra that some courts have found rights to dwell. But I could be surprised. I don’t know about the whole taxation to pay for it; I would assume congress could figure out a way to write it so it passes muster.

I would consult with an attorney before relying on my interpretation of the constitution, however. I’d hate for you to say, hey, scaredy cat told me the constitution means X, only to find out, much to your chagrin, a future Supreme Court interpreted it to say Y. Scaredycat said i don’t have a constitutional right to smoke pot, or I did have a constitutional right to a colonoscopy, and somehow he ended up being incredibly wrong, and my bong has been found to violate the commerce clause? The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful. Kinda like the Torah is cool, but it’s the talmudic commentary that makes jews jews.

[scaredyclassic]

you don’t have any right to an attorney unless the state is trying to lock you up.

there is unlikely, almost certainly, never to ever be found a constitutional right to health care, even in the odd penumbra that some courts have found rights to dwell. But I could be surprised. I don’t know about the whole taxation to pay for it; I would assume congress could figure out a way to write it so it passes muster.

I would consult with an attorney before relying on my interpretation of the constitution, however. I’d hate for you to say, hey, scaredy cat told me the constitution means X, only to find out, much to your chagrin, a future Supreme Court interpreted it to say Y. Scaredycat said i don’t have a constitutional right to smoke pot, or I did have a constitutional right to a colonoscopy, and somehow he ended up being incredibly wrong, and my bong has been found to violate the commerce clause? The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful. Kinda like the Torah is cool, but it’s the talmudic commentary that makes jews jews.

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredycat]The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful.[/quote]

This is a really good point. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the “read the Constitution” line when someone makes a political argument. If only it were so simple…

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredycat]The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful.[/quote]

This is a really good point. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the “read the Constitution” line when someone makes a political argument. If only it were so simple…

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredycat]The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful.[/quote]

This is a really good point. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the “read the Constitution” line when someone makes a political argument. If only it were so simple…

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredycat]The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful.[/quote]

This is a really good point. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the “read the Constitution” line when someone makes a political argument. If only it were so simple…

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredycat]The last thing you’d want to do is actually read the constitution, because it doesn’t mean anything without the commentary, and the commentary is very long and painful and stretches over hundreds of years of case law, and it’s the case law that makes the constitution meaningful.[/quote]

This is a really good point. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the “read the Constitution” line when someone makes a political argument. If only it were so simple…

[treehugger]

My sister is 40 years old. 5’8″ 350 pounds. Loves fast food/junkfood and her idea of exercising is walking from the car to into Walmart (she gets to park in handicapped, because being obese is a handicapp in America). She just had the gastric bypass surgery and is collecting disability, all on our dime. I am about to loan her money to make rent….

Me 38 years old. 5’7″ 120 pounds 12-15% body fat. Extremely fit and active, have a college degreee, good job, and health insurance. Crashed my mountain bike last spring and broke my arm. Had health insurance (kaiser), but also paid cash out of pocket to get gore-tex cast liner and weekly cast changes (I am way to old and make to much money to tolerate anything less).

Is health care a right? HELL NO! Are there individuals that need a handout/helping hand, sure. Am I willing to help them? Absolutely.

My mom worked as a nurse when I was a kid. Her specialty was with mentally handicapped kids. She worked at a place that was a state run “institution”. She used to take us to work with her for an education. Parents used to be able to dump their “damaged” kids at this place and the state would pay for it. Very sad, there was one woman I remember that was in her 50’s and had been there her entire life, she was a deaf mute. Another had MS.

Would I rather see a health care bill that prevents this kind of mass abandonment, yes. I still cringe at what went on in that place and at MY interpretation of government run healthcare.

I just want to see individuals (if they are physically and mentally able) take personal responsibility for their life choices. I don’t want to have to be PC. I don’t want to have to call drug and alcohol addiction a “disease”.

end rant.

[treehugger]

My sister is 40 years old. 5’8″ 350 pounds. Loves fast food/junkfood and her idea of exercising is walking from the car to into Walmart (she gets to park in handicapped, because being obese is a handicapp in America). She just had the gastric bypass surgery and is collecting disability, all on our dime. I am about to loan her money to make rent….

Me 38 years old. 5’7″ 120 pounds 12-15% body fat. Extremely fit and active, have a college degreee, good job, and health insurance. Crashed my mountain bike last spring and broke my arm. Had health insurance (kaiser), but also paid cash out of pocket to get gore-tex cast liner and weekly cast changes (I am way to old and make to much money to tolerate anything less).

Is health care a right? HELL NO! Are there individuals that need a handout/helping hand, sure. Am I willing to help them? Absolutely.

My mom worked as a nurse when I was a kid. Her specialty was with mentally handicapped kids. She worked at a place that was a state run “institution”. She used to take us to work with her for an education. Parents used to be able to dump their “damaged” kids at this place and the state would pay for it. Very sad, there was one woman I remember that was in her 50’s and had been there her entire life, she was a deaf mute. Another had MS.

Would I rather see a health care bill that prevents this kind of mass abandonment, yes. I still cringe at what went on in that place and at MY interpretation of government run healthcare.

I just want to see individuals (if they are physically and mentally able) take personal responsibility for their life choices. I don’t want to have to be PC. I don’t want to have to call drug and alcohol addiction a “disease”.

end rant.

[treehugger]

My sister is 40 years old. 5’8″ 350 pounds. Loves fast food/junkfood and her idea of exercising is walking from the car to into Walmart (she gets to park in handicapped, because being obese is a handicapp in America). She just had the gastric bypass surgery and is collecting disability, all on our dime. I am about to loan her money to make rent….

Me 38 years old. 5’7″ 120 pounds 12-15% body fat. Extremely fit and active, have a college degreee, good job, and health insurance. Crashed my mountain bike last spring and broke my arm. Had health insurance (kaiser), but also paid cash out of pocket to get gore-tex cast liner and weekly cast changes (I am way to old and make to much money to tolerate anything less).

Is health care a right? HELL NO! Are there individuals that need a handout/helping hand, sure. Am I willing to help them? Absolutely.

My mom worked as a nurse when I was a kid. Her specialty was with mentally handicapped kids. She worked at a place that was a state run “institution”. She used to take us to work with her for an education. Parents used to be able to dump their “damaged” kids at this place and the state would pay for it. Very sad, there was one woman I remember that was in her 50’s and had been there her entire life, she was a deaf mute. Another had MS.

Would I rather see a health care bill that prevents this kind of mass abandonment, yes. I still cringe at what went on in that place and at MY interpretation of government run healthcare.

I just want to see individuals (if they are physically and mentally able) take personal responsibility for their life choices. I don’t want to have to be PC. I don’t want to have to call drug and alcohol addiction a “disease”.

end rant.

[treehugger]

My sister is 40 years old. 5’8″ 350 pounds. Loves fast food/junkfood and her idea of exercising is walking from the car to into Walmart (she gets to park in handicapped, because being obese is a handicapp in America). She just had the gastric bypass surgery and is collecting disability, all on our dime. I am about to loan her money to make rent….

Me 38 years old. 5’7″ 120 pounds 12-15% body fat. Extremely fit and active, have a college degreee, good job, and health insurance. Crashed my mountain bike last spring and broke my arm. Had health insurance (kaiser), but also paid cash out of pocket to get gore-tex cast liner and weekly cast changes (I am way to old and make to much money to tolerate anything less).

Is health care a right? HELL NO! Are there individuals that need a handout/helping hand, sure. Am I willing to help them? Absolutely.

My mom worked as a nurse when I was a kid. Her specialty was with mentally handicapped kids. She worked at a place that was a state run “institution”. She used to take us to work with her for an education. Parents used to be able to dump their “damaged” kids at this place and the state would pay for it. Very sad, there was one woman I remember that was in her 50’s and had been there her entire life, she was a deaf mute. Another had MS.

Would I rather see a health care bill that prevents this kind of mass abandonment, yes. I still cringe at what went on in that place and at MY interpretation of government run healthcare.

I just want to see individuals (if they are physically and mentally able) take personal responsibility for their life choices. I don’t want to have to be PC. I don’t want to have to call drug and alcohol addiction a “disease”.

end rant.

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