Has Goldman fatally damaged their Franchise?

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]
I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.
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Don’t upset our masters, you would not like them when the are angry

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It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Maybe if we give them what they want, they will be good to us.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
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haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Brian: So, in essence, you’re proving my point for me. What you’re saying is that words and principles really don’t mean much, but that the Golden Rule (“Those with the gold make the rules”) always prevails. Hence my earlier assertion that you’re not really a Progressive at all. Rather, you’re a pragmatist in the most conservative (horrors!) sense of the word: You recognize the uses of power, as well as the limits of popular appeal (and people are fickle, aren’t they?).

So how does one claim to be one thing, but fervently believe in another? Isn’t that a mite hypocritical? I mean, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, right? Professing one thing, but believing in another?

As Arraya glibly points out above: You’re saying that we (the people) are only allowed to do what we’re allowed to do.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Brian: So, in essence, you’re proving my point for me. What you’re saying is that words and principles really don’t mean much, but that the Golden Rule (“Those with the gold make the rules”) always prevails. Hence my earlier assertion that you’re not really a Progressive at all. Rather, you’re a pragmatist in the most conservative (horrors!) sense of the word: You recognize the uses of power, as well as the limits of popular appeal (and people are fickle, aren’t they?).

So how does one claim to be one thing, but fervently believe in another? Isn’t that a mite hypocritical? I mean, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, right? Professing one thing, but believing in another?

As Arraya glibly points out above: You’re saying that we (the people) are only allowed to do what we’re allowed to do.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Brian: So, in essence, you’re proving my point for me. What you’re saying is that words and principles really don’t mean much, but that the Golden Rule (“Those with the gold make the rules”) always prevails. Hence my earlier assertion that you’re not really a Progressive at all. Rather, you’re a pragmatist in the most conservative (horrors!) sense of the word: You recognize the uses of power, as well as the limits of popular appeal (and people are fickle, aren’t they?).

So how does one claim to be one thing, but fervently believe in another? Isn’t that a mite hypocritical? I mean, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, right? Professing one thing, but believing in another?

As Arraya glibly points out above: You’re saying that we (the people) are only allowed to do what we’re allowed to do.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Brian: So, in essence, you’re proving my point for me. What you’re saying is that words and principles really don’t mean much, but that the Golden Rule (“Those with the gold make the rules”) always prevails. Hence my earlier assertion that you’re not really a Progressive at all. Rather, you’re a pragmatist in the most conservative (horrors!) sense of the word: You recognize the uses of power, as well as the limits of popular appeal (and people are fickle, aren’t they?).

So how does one claim to be one thing, but fervently believe in another? Isn’t that a mite hypocritical? I mean, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, right? Professing one thing, but believing in another?

As Arraya glibly points out above: You’re saying that we (the people) are only allowed to do what we’re allowed to do.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Brian: So, in essence, you’re proving my point for me. What you’re saying is that words and principles really don’t mean much, but that the Golden Rule (“Those with the gold make the rules”) always prevails. Hence my earlier assertion that you’re not really a Progressive at all. Rather, you’re a pragmatist in the most conservative (horrors!) sense of the word: You recognize the uses of power, as well as the limits of popular appeal (and people are fickle, aren’t they?).

So how does one claim to be one thing, but fervently believe in another? Isn’t that a mite hypocritical? I mean, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth, right? Professing one thing, but believing in another?

As Arraya glibly points out above: You’re saying that we (the people) are only allowed to do what we’re allowed to do.

[patb]

Allen

I’m a progressive. I always saw Obama as a centrist
I was afraid Obama would hire too many clintonites and when he hired that awful larry summers i knew it would not be a good outcome.

Now do i see a difference between Obama and a cretinous goon like Bush.

Sure.

i have vague hopes Obama will move left.

My guy was Edwards, well, he didn’t survive South Carolina.

[patb]

Allen

I’m a progressive. I always saw Obama as a centrist
I was afraid Obama would hire too many clintonites and when he hired that awful larry summers i knew it would not be a good outcome.

Now do i see a difference between Obama and a cretinous goon like Bush.

Sure.

i have vague hopes Obama will move left.

My guy was Edwards, well, he didn’t survive South Carolina.

[patb]

Allen

I’m a progressive. I always saw Obama as a centrist
I was afraid Obama would hire too many clintonites and when he hired that awful larry summers i knew it would not be a good outcome.

Now do i see a difference between Obama and a cretinous goon like Bush.

Sure.

i have vague hopes Obama will move left.

My guy was Edwards, well, he didn’t survive South Carolina.

[patb]

Allen

I’m a progressive. I always saw Obama as a centrist
I was afraid Obama would hire too many clintonites and when he hired that awful larry summers i knew it would not be a good outcome.

Now do i see a difference between Obama and a cretinous goon like Bush.

Sure.

i have vague hopes Obama will move left.

My guy was Edwards, well, he didn’t survive South Carolina.

[patb]

Allen

I’m a progressive. I always saw Obama as a centrist
I was afraid Obama would hire too many clintonites and when he hired that awful larry summers i knew it would not be a good outcome.

Now do i see a difference between Obama and a cretinous goon like Bush.

Sure.

i have vague hopes Obama will move left.

My guy was Edwards, well, he didn’t survive South Carolina.

[briansd1]

Is there such a thing as a pragmatic progressive?

I’m progressive in that I believe that a society should provide good health care, education and housing to everyone.

Regarding housing, I’m not talking about the subvention schemes the government has come up with so far. I’m talking about government building condos and competing directly with the public sector. I think I’m way on the left on this issue.

[briansd1]

Is there such a thing as a pragmatic progressive?

I’m progressive in that I believe that a society should provide good health care, education and housing to everyone.

Regarding housing, I’m not talking about the subvention schemes the government has come up with so far. I’m talking about government building condos and competing directly with the public sector. I think I’m way on the left on this issue.

[briansd1]

Is there such a thing as a pragmatic progressive?

I’m progressive in that I believe that a society should provide good health care, education and housing to everyone.

Regarding housing, I’m not talking about the subvention schemes the government has come up with so far. I’m talking about government building condos and competing directly with the public sector. I think I’m way on the left on this issue.

[briansd1]

Is there such a thing as a pragmatic progressive?

I’m progressive in that I believe that a society should provide good health care, education and housing to everyone.

Regarding housing, I’m not talking about the subvention schemes the government has come up with so far. I’m talking about government building condos and competing directly with the public sector. I think I’m way on the left on this issue.

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