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[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]Allan, by revolutionaries, I was talking about Castro and Mao who started out well-intentioned.

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So, Castro and Mao were “romantic revolutionaries”? Wow. Communism killed nearly 100MM people and you find these two “romantic”?

How about Che? Was he romantic, too? I mean, do you have a thing for murderous Stalinists?

My point here is this: You’re more than comfortable glossing over those things you’d rather not confront and demonizing America for all sorts of ills throughout the world, but you find those who are truly despicable and reprehensible, romantic.

Mao and Castro did NOT start off with the “right” idea, dude. They worked off of a game plan that has caused more human misery than any in history. For someone so willing to call foul on organized religion(s) for the same “sin”, you seem strangely silent on this topic.

Or is that just more “moral flexibility”?

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, Castro and Mao were “romantic revolutionaries”?
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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
How about Che? Was he romantic, too?
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Revolutionaries always start out as youthful romantic idealists. It’s more the concept than the people.

Guess what American romantic revolutionaries who went to China early on to see Mao are doing now?

They run investment funds because they got to know the leadership and have connections. They saw the light and now believe that to get rich is glorious. People grow over time. It’s important to change with the world. Moral rigidity and stagnation is never good.

And yeah, Che is romantic. We don’t generally think so in America but many others in the world believe it.

You know, there is a Che Cafe at UCSD. I have a cool Che t-shirt that I bought overseas. I would never wear it here, of course.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My point here is this: You’re more than comfortable glossing over those things you’d rather not confront and demonizing America for all sorts of ills throughout the world,
[/quote]

I never said that, Allan.

I believe that overall, America has been a force for good in the world. We have done many bad things (maybe with good intentions) but taken as a whole, our influence has been good.

For example, I believe that we have brought prosperity and stability to East Asia.

George H.W. Bush as US envoy was a great statesman and invited China to sell to us. That was a great thing and lifted millions out of poverty.

However, a good portion of our foreign policy was misguided and destructive. We have to see the good as well as the bad.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, Castro and Mao were “romantic revolutionaries”?
[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
How about Che? Was he romantic, too?
[/quote]

Revolutionaries always start out as youthful romantic idealists. It’s more the concept than the people.

Guess what American romantic revolutionaries who went to China early on to see Mao are doing now?

They run investment funds because they got to know the leadership and have connections. They saw the light and now believe that to get rich is glorious. People grow over time. It’s important to change with the world. Moral rigidity and stagnation is never good.

And yeah, Che is romantic. We don’t generally think so in America but many others in the world believe it.

You know, there is a Che Cafe at UCSD. I have a cool Che t-shirt that I bought overseas. I would never wear it here, of course.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My point here is this: You’re more than comfortable glossing over those things you’d rather not confront and demonizing America for all sorts of ills throughout the world,
[/quote]

I never said that, Allan.

I believe that overall, America has been a force for good in the world. We have done many bad things (maybe with good intentions) but taken as a whole, our influence has been good.

For example, I believe that we have brought prosperity and stability to East Asia.

George H.W. Bush as US envoy was a great statesman and invited China to sell to us. That was a great thing and lifted millions out of poverty.

However, a good portion of our foreign policy was misguided and destructive. We have to see the good as well as the bad.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, Castro and Mao were “romantic revolutionaries”?
[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
How about Che? Was he romantic, too?
[/quote]

Revolutionaries always start out as youthful romantic idealists. It’s more the concept than the people.

Guess what American romantic revolutionaries who went to China early on to see Mao are doing now?

They run investment funds because they got to know the leadership and have connections. They saw the light and now believe that to get rich is glorious. People grow over time. It’s important to change with the world. Moral rigidity and stagnation is never good.

And yeah, Che is romantic. We don’t generally think so in America but many others in the world believe it.

You know, there is a Che Cafe at UCSD. I have a cool Che t-shirt that I bought overseas. I would never wear it here, of course.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My point here is this: You’re more than comfortable glossing over those things you’d rather not confront and demonizing America for all sorts of ills throughout the world,
[/quote]

I never said that, Allan.

I believe that overall, America has been a force for good in the world. We have done many bad things (maybe with good intentions) but taken as a whole, our influence has been good.

For example, I believe that we have brought prosperity and stability to East Asia.

George H.W. Bush as US envoy was a great statesman and invited China to sell to us. That was a great thing and lifted millions out of poverty.

However, a good portion of our foreign policy was misguided and destructive. We have to see the good as well as the bad.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, Castro and Mao were “romantic revolutionaries”?
[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
How about Che? Was he romantic, too?
[/quote]

Revolutionaries always start out as youthful romantic idealists. It’s more the concept than the people.

Guess what American romantic revolutionaries who went to China early on to see Mao are doing now?

They run investment funds because they got to know the leadership and have connections. They saw the light and now believe that to get rich is glorious. People grow over time. It’s important to change with the world. Moral rigidity and stagnation is never good.

And yeah, Che is romantic. We don’t generally think so in America but many others in the world believe it.

You know, there is a Che Cafe at UCSD. I have a cool Che t-shirt that I bought overseas. I would never wear it here, of course.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My point here is this: You’re more than comfortable glossing over those things you’d rather not confront and demonizing America for all sorts of ills throughout the world,
[/quote]

I never said that, Allan.

I believe that overall, America has been a force for good in the world. We have done many bad things (maybe with good intentions) but taken as a whole, our influence has been good.

For example, I believe that we have brought prosperity and stability to East Asia.

George H.W. Bush as US envoy was a great statesman and invited China to sell to us. That was a great thing and lifted millions out of poverty.

However, a good portion of our foreign policy was misguided and destructive. We have to see the good as well as the bad.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, Castro and Mao were “romantic revolutionaries”?
[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
How about Che? Was he romantic, too?
[/quote]

Revolutionaries always start out as youthful romantic idealists. It’s more the concept than the people.

Guess what American romantic revolutionaries who went to China early on to see Mao are doing now?

They run investment funds because they got to know the leadership and have connections. They saw the light and now believe that to get rich is glorious. People grow over time. It’s important to change with the world. Moral rigidity and stagnation is never good.

And yeah, Che is romantic. We don’t generally think so in America but many others in the world believe it.

You know, there is a Che Cafe at UCSD. I have a cool Che t-shirt that I bought overseas. I would never wear it here, of course.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My point here is this: You’re more than comfortable glossing over those things you’d rather not confront and demonizing America for all sorts of ills throughout the world,
[/quote]

I never said that, Allan.

I believe that overall, America has been a force for good in the world. We have done many bad things (maybe with good intentions) but taken as a whole, our influence has been good.

For example, I believe that we have brought prosperity and stability to East Asia.

George H.W. Bush as US envoy was a great statesman and invited China to sell to us. That was a great thing and lifted millions out of poverty.

However, a good portion of our foreign policy was misguided and destructive. We have to see the good as well as the bad.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
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haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Why, you can even elect a black man (!) president without a shot being fired.
[/quote]

haha.. some would argue that one revolution is more than we can handle already.

The black man needs to consolidate power else the counter revolution (Tea Party) will depose him.

I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]
I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.
[/quote]

Don’t upset our masters, you would not like them when the are angry

[quote]

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Maybe if we give them what they want, they will be good to us.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]
I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.
[/quote]

Don’t upset our masters, you would not like them when the are angry

[quote]

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Maybe if we give them what they want, they will be good to us.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]
I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.
[/quote]

Don’t upset our masters, you would not like them when the are angry

[quote]

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Maybe if we give them what they want, they will be good to us.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]
I think that you know what I mean Allan. Upsetting the apple cart too much is not a good thing. Business leaders hold the keys to wealth and prosperity. They have the power to stop you, in which case you get nothing.
[/quote]

Don’t upset our masters, you would not like them when the are angry

[quote]

It’s better to use businesses and their capital to build a better society.[/quote]

Maybe if we give them what they want, they will be good to us.

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