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April 26, 2008 at 3:53 PM #195056April 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM #19502734f3f3fParticipant
I can assure you construction on both Mexican coasts is going completely unsupervised.
That hurts! This is a beautiful country. They need tourism, retirees, …who doesn’t, but keep the speculators out, and develop eco-tourism and a coherent strategy that is in line with the culture. Preserve and build on what you’ve got, don’t import failure. Mass market is short-termism and destroys, leading to problems further down the line.
April 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM #19510134f3f3fParticipantI can assure you construction on both Mexican coasts is going completely unsupervised.
That hurts! This is a beautiful country. They need tourism, retirees, …who doesn’t, but keep the speculators out, and develop eco-tourism and a coherent strategy that is in line with the culture. Preserve and build on what you’ve got, don’t import failure. Mass market is short-termism and destroys, leading to problems further down the line.
April 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM #19506034f3f3fParticipantI can assure you construction on both Mexican coasts is going completely unsupervised.
That hurts! This is a beautiful country. They need tourism, retirees, …who doesn’t, but keep the speculators out, and develop eco-tourism and a coherent strategy that is in line with the culture. Preserve and build on what you’ve got, don’t import failure. Mass market is short-termism and destroys, leading to problems further down the line.
April 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM #19514534f3f3fParticipantI can assure you construction on both Mexican coasts is going completely unsupervised.
That hurts! This is a beautiful country. They need tourism, retirees, …who doesn’t, but keep the speculators out, and develop eco-tourism and a coherent strategy that is in line with the culture. Preserve and build on what you’ve got, don’t import failure. Mass market is short-termism and destroys, leading to problems further down the line.
April 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM #19508334f3f3fParticipantI can assure you construction on both Mexican coasts is going completely unsupervised.
That hurts! This is a beautiful country. They need tourism, retirees, …who doesn’t, but keep the speculators out, and develop eco-tourism and a coherent strategy that is in line with the culture. Preserve and build on what you’ve got, don’t import failure. Mass market is short-termism and destroys, leading to problems further down the line.
April 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM #195106NotCrankyParticipantI appreciate that qwerty. I believe you are European? Many Americans like to gloat about Mexican failures and miss the point that it is a beautiful country still with many wonderful people. Not saying anyone on this thread is doing that. I am not Mexican, just somebody blessed with sensibilities that don’t ruin anything not American for me. As someone whe loves Mexico I have always appreciated that Europeans for the most part travel there respectfully.
Anyway, what happened in the DF condominium problem that Bubble contagion posted about is not any worse than what goes on here. The element that exists there more is direct fraud of the buyer.I don’t see the fact that the developer circumvented urban planning as too different from what happens here. Developers get what they want, to a large degree anyway, through favors and the “THE PEOPLE” and environment absorb the costs, either gradually or rapidly, in miriad ways.
These people(in Mexico) didn’t even get proper documents . They can’t get the building finished. The parking wasn’t legally specified and now they are basically bidding for parking or going without. That’s definitely an awful position to be in. Many of them paid cash. It does kind of remind me of condo developments and condo conversions projects throughout the county of San Diego. Some condo conversion for instance, still have the 1970’s heating equipment and they were sold to unsuspecting people ,ironically many Mexican immigrants, at three times value and we will all pay for it.
April 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM #195087NotCrankyParticipantI appreciate that qwerty. I believe you are European? Many Americans like to gloat about Mexican failures and miss the point that it is a beautiful country still with many wonderful people. Not saying anyone on this thread is doing that. I am not Mexican, just somebody blessed with sensibilities that don’t ruin anything not American for me. As someone whe loves Mexico I have always appreciated that Europeans for the most part travel there respectfully.
Anyway, what happened in the DF condominium problem that Bubble contagion posted about is not any worse than what goes on here. The element that exists there more is direct fraud of the buyer.I don’t see the fact that the developer circumvented urban planning as too different from what happens here. Developers get what they want, to a large degree anyway, through favors and the “THE PEOPLE” and environment absorb the costs, either gradually or rapidly, in miriad ways.
These people(in Mexico) didn’t even get proper documents . They can’t get the building finished. The parking wasn’t legally specified and now they are basically bidding for parking or going without. That’s definitely an awful position to be in. Many of them paid cash. It does kind of remind me of condo developments and condo conversions projects throughout the county of San Diego. Some condo conversion for instance, still have the 1970’s heating equipment and they were sold to unsuspecting people ,ironically many Mexican immigrants, at three times value and we will all pay for it.
April 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM #195065NotCrankyParticipantI appreciate that qwerty. I believe you are European? Many Americans like to gloat about Mexican failures and miss the point that it is a beautiful country still with many wonderful people. Not saying anyone on this thread is doing that. I am not Mexican, just somebody blessed with sensibilities that don’t ruin anything not American for me. As someone whe loves Mexico I have always appreciated that Europeans for the most part travel there respectfully.
Anyway, what happened in the DF condominium problem that Bubble contagion posted about is not any worse than what goes on here. The element that exists there more is direct fraud of the buyer.I don’t see the fact that the developer circumvented urban planning as too different from what happens here. Developers get what they want, to a large degree anyway, through favors and the “THE PEOPLE” and environment absorb the costs, either gradually or rapidly, in miriad ways.
These people(in Mexico) didn’t even get proper documents . They can’t get the building finished. The parking wasn’t legally specified and now they are basically bidding for parking or going without. That’s definitely an awful position to be in. Many of them paid cash. It does kind of remind me of condo developments and condo conversions projects throughout the county of San Diego. Some condo conversion for instance, still have the 1970’s heating equipment and they were sold to unsuspecting people ,ironically many Mexican immigrants, at three times value and we will all pay for it.
April 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM #195147NotCrankyParticipantI appreciate that qwerty. I believe you are European? Many Americans like to gloat about Mexican failures and miss the point that it is a beautiful country still with many wonderful people. Not saying anyone on this thread is doing that. I am not Mexican, just somebody blessed with sensibilities that don’t ruin anything not American for me. As someone whe loves Mexico I have always appreciated that Europeans for the most part travel there respectfully.
Anyway, what happened in the DF condominium problem that Bubble contagion posted about is not any worse than what goes on here. The element that exists there more is direct fraud of the buyer.I don’t see the fact that the developer circumvented urban planning as too different from what happens here. Developers get what they want, to a large degree anyway, through favors and the “THE PEOPLE” and environment absorb the costs, either gradually or rapidly, in miriad ways.
These people(in Mexico) didn’t even get proper documents . They can’t get the building finished. The parking wasn’t legally specified and now they are basically bidding for parking or going without. That’s definitely an awful position to be in. Many of them paid cash. It does kind of remind me of condo developments and condo conversions projects throughout the county of San Diego. Some condo conversion for instance, still have the 1970’s heating equipment and they were sold to unsuspecting people ,ironically many Mexican immigrants, at three times value and we will all pay for it.
April 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM #195033NotCrankyParticipantI appreciate that qwerty. I believe you are European? Many Americans like to gloat about Mexican failures and miss the point that it is a beautiful country still with many wonderful people. Not saying anyone on this thread is doing that. I am not Mexican, just somebody blessed with sensibilities that don’t ruin anything not American for me. As someone whe loves Mexico I have always appreciated that Europeans for the most part travel there respectfully.
Anyway, what happened in the DF condominium problem that Bubble contagion posted about is not any worse than what goes on here. The element that exists there more is direct fraud of the buyer.I don’t see the fact that the developer circumvented urban planning as too different from what happens here. Developers get what they want, to a large degree anyway, through favors and the “THE PEOPLE” and environment absorb the costs, either gradually or rapidly, in miriad ways.
These people(in Mexico) didn’t even get proper documents . They can’t get the building finished. The parking wasn’t legally specified and now they are basically bidding for parking or going without. That’s definitely an awful position to be in. Many of them paid cash. It does kind of remind me of condo developments and condo conversions projects throughout the county of San Diego. Some condo conversion for instance, still have the 1970’s heating equipment and they were sold to unsuspecting people ,ironically many Mexican immigrants, at three times value and we will all pay for it.
April 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM #19512634f3f3fParticipantRustico, you’re on to me. I’ve obviously given too much away. Developers look to who is their customer, and as you say they get their own way. Coastal regions the world over have been developed, without consideration for either natural beauty or culture. Inevitably, there follows anguish and regret when it is realized the indelible blot on the landscape, careless development causes. Even the French Riviera has been the luckless victim of a free-for-all building diarrhea. Of course, everyone has the right to live where they choose, and ‘elitist’ pristine views of cultural preservation hold no sway in an egalitarian world. The moment matters, and the past is becomes irrelevant.
April 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM #19517034f3f3fParticipantRustico, you’re on to me. I’ve obviously given too much away. Developers look to who is their customer, and as you say they get their own way. Coastal regions the world over have been developed, without consideration for either natural beauty or culture. Inevitably, there follows anguish and regret when it is realized the indelible blot on the landscape, careless development causes. Even the French Riviera has been the luckless victim of a free-for-all building diarrhea. Of course, everyone has the right to live where they choose, and ‘elitist’ pristine views of cultural preservation hold no sway in an egalitarian world. The moment matters, and the past is becomes irrelevant.
April 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM #19508434f3f3fParticipantRustico, you’re on to me. I’ve obviously given too much away. Developers look to who is their customer, and as you say they get their own way. Coastal regions the world over have been developed, without consideration for either natural beauty or culture. Inevitably, there follows anguish and regret when it is realized the indelible blot on the landscape, careless development causes. Even the French Riviera has been the luckless victim of a free-for-all building diarrhea. Of course, everyone has the right to live where they choose, and ‘elitist’ pristine views of cultural preservation hold no sway in an egalitarian world. The moment matters, and the past is becomes irrelevant.
April 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM #19505334f3f3fParticipantRustico, you’re on to me. I’ve obviously given too much away. Developers look to who is their customer, and as you say they get their own way. Coastal regions the world over have been developed, without consideration for either natural beauty or culture. Inevitably, there follows anguish and regret when it is realized the indelible blot on the landscape, careless development causes. Even the French Riviera has been the luckless victim of a free-for-all building diarrhea. Of course, everyone has the right to live where they choose, and ‘elitist’ pristine views of cultural preservation hold no sway in an egalitarian world. The moment matters, and the past is becomes irrelevant.
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