Gun Facts – Your Guide to Debunking Gun Control Myths

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[quote=captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. The country generally has no areas like Logan Heights and East LA or associations like Vista Home Boys.[/quote]

Actually, foreigners may own weapons in Switzerland as long as they have a residence permit and are not from countries on a “prohibited” list. More details here. What isn’t mentioned in the article is that I think this is the long-term permit, which takes 12 years to get. But it is possible for foreigners to have guns there.

True that they don’t have gangs and the sorts of low-life we have here. But again, that has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with who we are as a culture. Just like “Bowling With Columbine” tried to say.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote=CONCHO][quote=captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. The country generally has no areas like Logan Heights and East LA or associations like Vista Home Boys.[/quote]

Actually, foreigners may own weapons in Switzerland as long as they have a residence permit and are not from countries on a “prohibited” list. More details here. What isn’t mentioned in the article is that I think this is the long-term permit, which takes 12 years to get. But it is possible for foreigners to have guns there.

True that they don’t have gangs and the sorts of low-life we have here. But again, that has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with who we are as a culture. Just like “Bowling With Columbine” tried to say.[/quote]

And huge majority of foreigners living/working in Switzerland for that long (and generally referred as auslanders) comes from those countries. I did not have US or German bankers in mind.

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[quote=CONCHO][quote=captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. The country generally has no areas like Logan Heights and East LA or associations like Vista Home Boys.[/quote]

Actually, foreigners may own weapons in Switzerland as long as they have a residence permit and are not from countries on a “prohibited” list. More details here. What isn’t mentioned in the article is that I think this is the long-term permit, which takes 12 years to get. But it is possible for foreigners to have guns there.

True that they don’t have gangs and the sorts of low-life we have here. But again, that has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with who we are as a culture. Just like “Bowling With Columbine” tried to say.[/quote]

And huge majority of foreigners living/working in Switzerland for that long (and generally referred as auslanders) comes from those countries. I did not have US or German bankers in mind.

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[quote=CONCHO][quote=captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. The country generally has no areas like Logan Heights and East LA or associations like Vista Home Boys.[/quote]

Actually, foreigners may own weapons in Switzerland as long as they have a residence permit and are not from countries on a “prohibited” list. More details here. What isn’t mentioned in the article is that I think this is the long-term permit, which takes 12 years to get. But it is possible for foreigners to have guns there.

True that they don’t have gangs and the sorts of low-life we have here. But again, that has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with who we are as a culture. Just like “Bowling With Columbine” tried to say.[/quote]

And huge majority of foreigners living/working in Switzerland for that long (and generally referred as auslanders) comes from those countries. I did not have US or German bankers in mind.

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[quote=CONCHO][quote=captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. The country generally has no areas like Logan Heights and East LA or associations like Vista Home Boys.[/quote]

Actually, foreigners may own weapons in Switzerland as long as they have a residence permit and are not from countries on a “prohibited” list. More details here. What isn’t mentioned in the article is that I think this is the long-term permit, which takes 12 years to get. But it is possible for foreigners to have guns there.

True that they don’t have gangs and the sorts of low-life we have here. But again, that has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with who we are as a culture. Just like “Bowling With Columbine” tried to say.[/quote]

And huge majority of foreigners living/working in Switzerland for that long (and generally referred as auslanders) comes from those countries. I did not have US or German bankers in mind.

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[quote=CONCHO][quote=captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. The country generally has no areas like Logan Heights and East LA or associations like Vista Home Boys.[/quote]

Actually, foreigners may own weapons in Switzerland as long as they have a residence permit and are not from countries on a “prohibited” list. More details here. What isn’t mentioned in the article is that I think this is the long-term permit, which takes 12 years to get. But it is possible for foreigners to have guns there.

True that they don’t have gangs and the sorts of low-life we have here. But again, that has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with who we are as a culture. Just like “Bowling With Columbine” tried to say.[/quote]

And huge majority of foreigners living/working in Switzerland for that long (and generally referred as auslanders) comes from those countries. I did not have US or German bankers in mind.

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[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
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From CONCHO’s link:
When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
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The article has a section too long to include here. According to 1999 rules ‘To purchase a firearm in a commercial shop, one needs to have a Waffenerwerbsschein (weapon acquisition permit). A permit allows the purchase of three firearms.’
New stricter rules were put in place few years ago.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[/quote]
Same source:
To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle.
And to get the permit you need the carrying permit, explain the need for it and pass a test.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
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Wrong ‘wrong again’ again.

Edit: My experience is that acquisition, carrying and usage are regulated and controlled. In addition, profiling is way of life. That might not be your experience, but your country of origin is not on the list mentioned by CONCHO.

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[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
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From CONCHO’s link:
When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[/quote]
The article has a section too long to include here. According to 1999 rules ‘To purchase a firearm in a commercial shop, one needs to have a Waffenerwerbsschein (weapon acquisition permit). A permit allows the purchase of three firearms.’
New stricter rules were put in place few years ago.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[/quote]
Same source:
To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle.
And to get the permit you need the carrying permit, explain the need for it and pass a test.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[/quote]
Wrong ‘wrong again’ again.

Edit: My experience is that acquisition, carrying and usage are regulated and controlled. In addition, profiling is way of life. That might not be your experience, but your country of origin is not on the list mentioned by CONCHO.

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[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
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From CONCHO’s link:
When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[/quote]
The article has a section too long to include here. According to 1999 rules ‘To purchase a firearm in a commercial shop, one needs to have a Waffenerwerbsschein (weapon acquisition permit). A permit allows the purchase of three firearms.’
New stricter rules were put in place few years ago.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[/quote]
Same source:
To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle.
And to get the permit you need the carrying permit, explain the need for it and pass a test.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[/quote]
Wrong ‘wrong again’ again.

Edit: My experience is that acquisition, carrying and usage are regulated and controlled. In addition, profiling is way of life. That might not be your experience, but your country of origin is not on the list mentioned by CONCHO.

[all]

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[/quote]
From CONCHO’s link:
When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[/quote]
The article has a section too long to include here. According to 1999 rules ‘To purchase a firearm in a commercial shop, one needs to have a Waffenerwerbsschein (weapon acquisition permit). A permit allows the purchase of three firearms.’
New stricter rules were put in place few years ago.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[/quote]
Same source:
To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle.
And to get the permit you need the carrying permit, explain the need for it and pass a test.

[quote=ucodegen][quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[/quote]
Wrong ‘wrong again’ again.

Edit: My experience is that acquisition, carrying and usage are regulated and controlled. In addition, profiling is way of life. That might not be your experience, but your country of origin is not on the list mentioned by CONCHO.

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