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June 23, 2008 at 11:57 PM #13116June 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM #227507CoronitaParticipant
You know GM isn’t going to do as bad as Ford…And ford isn’t going to do as bad a lol Chrysler.
GM already went to the rut of having a bad product mix. But something GM started about 1.5-2 years ago, is they started to revamp their sedan line by sharing platforms with GM europe (opel and vauhaul). Namely, the majority of the Saturn line has it’s underpinning from GM europe. Buick’s a bigger selling in China (considered luxury) and a good portion of design is done jointly between teams in U.S. and Shanghai. Chevy/Caddy is going introducing new product lines (vette,ctx, and camaro (rumored to have a 4 cylinder turbo—lol). It’s true GMC and Hummer and the bigger SUV’s are going to tank, and possibly they are going to sell those monsters off. (Not a bad thing imho). But at least GM has some of the sedan product mixes. Reliability has been improving as well. I thought I’d never say it, but if I had to choose between Toyota or GM appliance, I’d probably pick a GM car these days.
Ford, is in worst shape. not too many new product launches in the sedan category. They are late to the game, gambling way too much on the SUV/CUV lineup. They at least own two interesting labels that should do well: Mazda and Volvo.
Chrysler is screwed, as they are the worst cars in terms of efficiency and an even more retarded product line.
June 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM #227621CoronitaParticipantYou know GM isn’t going to do as bad as Ford…And ford isn’t going to do as bad a lol Chrysler.
GM already went to the rut of having a bad product mix. But something GM started about 1.5-2 years ago, is they started to revamp their sedan line by sharing platforms with GM europe (opel and vauhaul). Namely, the majority of the Saturn line has it’s underpinning from GM europe. Buick’s a bigger selling in China (considered luxury) and a good portion of design is done jointly between teams in U.S. and Shanghai. Chevy/Caddy is going introducing new product lines (vette,ctx, and camaro (rumored to have a 4 cylinder turbo—lol). It’s true GMC and Hummer and the bigger SUV’s are going to tank, and possibly they are going to sell those monsters off. (Not a bad thing imho). But at least GM has some of the sedan product mixes. Reliability has been improving as well. I thought I’d never say it, but if I had to choose between Toyota or GM appliance, I’d probably pick a GM car these days.
Ford, is in worst shape. not too many new product launches in the sedan category. They are late to the game, gambling way too much on the SUV/CUV lineup. They at least own two interesting labels that should do well: Mazda and Volvo.
Chrysler is screwed, as they are the worst cars in terms of efficiency and an even more retarded product line.
June 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM #227633CoronitaParticipantYou know GM isn’t going to do as bad as Ford…And ford isn’t going to do as bad a lol Chrysler.
GM already went to the rut of having a bad product mix. But something GM started about 1.5-2 years ago, is they started to revamp their sedan line by sharing platforms with GM europe (opel and vauhaul). Namely, the majority of the Saturn line has it’s underpinning from GM europe. Buick’s a bigger selling in China (considered luxury) and a good portion of design is done jointly between teams in U.S. and Shanghai. Chevy/Caddy is going introducing new product lines (vette,ctx, and camaro (rumored to have a 4 cylinder turbo—lol). It’s true GMC and Hummer and the bigger SUV’s are going to tank, and possibly they are going to sell those monsters off. (Not a bad thing imho). But at least GM has some of the sedan product mixes. Reliability has been improving as well. I thought I’d never say it, but if I had to choose between Toyota or GM appliance, I’d probably pick a GM car these days.
Ford, is in worst shape. not too many new product launches in the sedan category. They are late to the game, gambling way too much on the SUV/CUV lineup. They at least own two interesting labels that should do well: Mazda and Volvo.
Chrysler is screwed, as they are the worst cars in terms of efficiency and an even more retarded product line.
June 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM #227669CoronitaParticipantYou know GM isn’t going to do as bad as Ford…And ford isn’t going to do as bad a lol Chrysler.
GM already went to the rut of having a bad product mix. But something GM started about 1.5-2 years ago, is they started to revamp their sedan line by sharing platforms with GM europe (opel and vauhaul). Namely, the majority of the Saturn line has it’s underpinning from GM europe. Buick’s a bigger selling in China (considered luxury) and a good portion of design is done jointly between teams in U.S. and Shanghai. Chevy/Caddy is going introducing new product lines (vette,ctx, and camaro (rumored to have a 4 cylinder turbo—lol). It’s true GMC and Hummer and the bigger SUV’s are going to tank, and possibly they are going to sell those monsters off. (Not a bad thing imho). But at least GM has some of the sedan product mixes. Reliability has been improving as well. I thought I’d never say it, but if I had to choose between Toyota or GM appliance, I’d probably pick a GM car these days.
Ford, is in worst shape. not too many new product launches in the sedan category. They are late to the game, gambling way too much on the SUV/CUV lineup. They at least own two interesting labels that should do well: Mazda and Volvo.
Chrysler is screwed, as they are the worst cars in terms of efficiency and an even more retarded product line.
June 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM #227684CoronitaParticipantYou know GM isn’t going to do as bad as Ford…And ford isn’t going to do as bad a lol Chrysler.
GM already went to the rut of having a bad product mix. But something GM started about 1.5-2 years ago, is they started to revamp their sedan line by sharing platforms with GM europe (opel and vauhaul). Namely, the majority of the Saturn line has it’s underpinning from GM europe. Buick’s a bigger selling in China (considered luxury) and a good portion of design is done jointly between teams in U.S. and Shanghai. Chevy/Caddy is going introducing new product lines (vette,ctx, and camaro (rumored to have a 4 cylinder turbo—lol). It’s true GMC and Hummer and the bigger SUV’s are going to tank, and possibly they are going to sell those monsters off. (Not a bad thing imho). But at least GM has some of the sedan product mixes. Reliability has been improving as well. I thought I’d never say it, but if I had to choose between Toyota or GM appliance, I’d probably pick a GM car these days.
Ford, is in worst shape. not too many new product launches in the sedan category. They are late to the game, gambling way too much on the SUV/CUV lineup. They at least own two interesting labels that should do well: Mazda and Volvo.
Chrysler is screwed, as they are the worst cars in terms of efficiency and an even more retarded product line.
June 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM #227526anParticipantGM does give a very compelling case for the car portfolio. I love what they did with Saturn. GM is smart enough to see that their European designed cars are doing very well and they can actually take advantage of it. However, what’s still holding them back when they go against the Japanese in this changing market is the flexibility of their manufacturing and the union they have to deal with. The big three Japanese are producing both cars and trucks in the same plant and can vary the % of each type of vehicle they produce per plant much easier than GM can. That’s how they can cope with this change in mixture of sales much easier. Nissan is producing more Altima in the Titan plant, same with Toyota producing more Camry in their Tundra plant and Honda producing more Fit in place of their SUV. That’s the kind of flexibility GM need to be able to thrive in this drastically changing environment.
June 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM #227644anParticipantGM does give a very compelling case for the car portfolio. I love what they did with Saturn. GM is smart enough to see that their European designed cars are doing very well and they can actually take advantage of it. However, what’s still holding them back when they go against the Japanese in this changing market is the flexibility of their manufacturing and the union they have to deal with. The big three Japanese are producing both cars and trucks in the same plant and can vary the % of each type of vehicle they produce per plant much easier than GM can. That’s how they can cope with this change in mixture of sales much easier. Nissan is producing more Altima in the Titan plant, same with Toyota producing more Camry in their Tundra plant and Honda producing more Fit in place of their SUV. That’s the kind of flexibility GM need to be able to thrive in this drastically changing environment.
June 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM #227653anParticipantGM does give a very compelling case for the car portfolio. I love what they did with Saturn. GM is smart enough to see that their European designed cars are doing very well and they can actually take advantage of it. However, what’s still holding them back when they go against the Japanese in this changing market is the flexibility of their manufacturing and the union they have to deal with. The big three Japanese are producing both cars and trucks in the same plant and can vary the % of each type of vehicle they produce per plant much easier than GM can. That’s how they can cope with this change in mixture of sales much easier. Nissan is producing more Altima in the Titan plant, same with Toyota producing more Camry in their Tundra plant and Honda producing more Fit in place of their SUV. That’s the kind of flexibility GM need to be able to thrive in this drastically changing environment.
June 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM #227686anParticipantGM does give a very compelling case for the car portfolio. I love what they did with Saturn. GM is smart enough to see that their European designed cars are doing very well and they can actually take advantage of it. However, what’s still holding them back when they go against the Japanese in this changing market is the flexibility of their manufacturing and the union they have to deal with. The big three Japanese are producing both cars and trucks in the same plant and can vary the % of each type of vehicle they produce per plant much easier than GM can. That’s how they can cope with this change in mixture of sales much easier. Nissan is producing more Altima in the Titan plant, same with Toyota producing more Camry in their Tundra plant and Honda producing more Fit in place of their SUV. That’s the kind of flexibility GM need to be able to thrive in this drastically changing environment.
June 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM #227705anParticipantGM does give a very compelling case for the car portfolio. I love what they did with Saturn. GM is smart enough to see that their European designed cars are doing very well and they can actually take advantage of it. However, what’s still holding them back when they go against the Japanese in this changing market is the flexibility of their manufacturing and the union they have to deal with. The big three Japanese are producing both cars and trucks in the same plant and can vary the % of each type of vehicle they produce per plant much easier than GM can. That’s how they can cope with this change in mixture of sales much easier. Nissan is producing more Altima in the Titan plant, same with Toyota producing more Camry in their Tundra plant and Honda producing more Fit in place of their SUV. That’s the kind of flexibility GM need to be able to thrive in this drastically changing environment.
June 28, 2008 at 8:51 AM #229955bsrsharmaParticipantGM’s Market Value Is Only $7 Billion – Half That of Avon
How the mighty have fallen.
At one time, General Motors was considered the pre-eminent US corporation, a giant among giants.
But now, on news that Goldman Sachs reduced the company’s rating to “sell”, GM’s shares (NYSE:GM – News) have plummeted to less than $12, the lowest level since 1955.
That means the world’s largest auto maker has a stock market value of only about $7 billion. That compares with a market cap of about $56 billion in 2000, when the stock was at its all-time high of $94.62 a share.
To put that in even more perspective, GM’s market value is now roughly equivalent to that of tax-preparation provider H&R Block (NYSE: hrb) or toy maker Mattel (NYSE: mat).
Even more humbling for the auto maker, GM’s value is now:
* Half that of cosmetics company Avon (NYSE: avp)
* A third of cruise operator Carnival Cruiselines (NYSE: ccl)
* A quarter of Internet media company Yahoo! (NASDAQ: yhoo)
* A fifth of online auction house Ebay (NASDAQ: ebay)
* A sixth of retailer Home Depot (NYSE: hd)
* A seventh of biotech firm Amgen’s (NASDAQ: amgn) league
* An eighth of drugstore chain CVS (NYSE: cvs)
* A ninth of fast-food giant McDonald’s (NYSE: mcd)
Last, but not least, GM is now 1/66th the size of fellow Dow component Exxon. (NYSE: xom)
June 28, 2008 at 8:51 AM #230075bsrsharmaParticipantGM’s Market Value Is Only $7 Billion – Half That of Avon
How the mighty have fallen.
At one time, General Motors was considered the pre-eminent US corporation, a giant among giants.
But now, on news that Goldman Sachs reduced the company’s rating to “sell”, GM’s shares (NYSE:GM – News) have plummeted to less than $12, the lowest level since 1955.
That means the world’s largest auto maker has a stock market value of only about $7 billion. That compares with a market cap of about $56 billion in 2000, when the stock was at its all-time high of $94.62 a share.
To put that in even more perspective, GM’s market value is now roughly equivalent to that of tax-preparation provider H&R Block (NYSE: hrb) or toy maker Mattel (NYSE: mat).
Even more humbling for the auto maker, GM’s value is now:
* Half that of cosmetics company Avon (NYSE: avp)
* A third of cruise operator Carnival Cruiselines (NYSE: ccl)
* A quarter of Internet media company Yahoo! (NASDAQ: yhoo)
* A fifth of online auction house Ebay (NASDAQ: ebay)
* A sixth of retailer Home Depot (NYSE: hd)
* A seventh of biotech firm Amgen’s (NASDAQ: amgn) league
* An eighth of drugstore chain CVS (NYSE: cvs)
* A ninth of fast-food giant McDonald’s (NYSE: mcd)
Last, but not least, GM is now 1/66th the size of fellow Dow component Exxon. (NYSE: xom)
June 28, 2008 at 8:51 AM #230082bsrsharmaParticipantGM’s Market Value Is Only $7 Billion – Half That of Avon
How the mighty have fallen.
At one time, General Motors was considered the pre-eminent US corporation, a giant among giants.
But now, on news that Goldman Sachs reduced the company’s rating to “sell”, GM’s shares (NYSE:GM – News) have plummeted to less than $12, the lowest level since 1955.
That means the world’s largest auto maker has a stock market value of only about $7 billion. That compares with a market cap of about $56 billion in 2000, when the stock was at its all-time high of $94.62 a share.
To put that in even more perspective, GM’s market value is now roughly equivalent to that of tax-preparation provider H&R Block (NYSE: hrb) or toy maker Mattel (NYSE: mat).
Even more humbling for the auto maker, GM’s value is now:
* Half that of cosmetics company Avon (NYSE: avp)
* A third of cruise operator Carnival Cruiselines (NYSE: ccl)
* A quarter of Internet media company Yahoo! (NASDAQ: yhoo)
* A fifth of online auction house Ebay (NASDAQ: ebay)
* A sixth of retailer Home Depot (NYSE: hd)
* A seventh of biotech firm Amgen’s (NASDAQ: amgn) league
* An eighth of drugstore chain CVS (NYSE: cvs)
* A ninth of fast-food giant McDonald’s (NYSE: mcd)
Last, but not least, GM is now 1/66th the size of fellow Dow component Exxon. (NYSE: xom)
June 28, 2008 at 8:51 AM #230118bsrsharmaParticipantGM’s Market Value Is Only $7 Billion – Half That of Avon
How the mighty have fallen.
At one time, General Motors was considered the pre-eminent US corporation, a giant among giants.
But now, on news that Goldman Sachs reduced the company’s rating to “sell”, GM’s shares (NYSE:GM – News) have plummeted to less than $12, the lowest level since 1955.
That means the world’s largest auto maker has a stock market value of only about $7 billion. That compares with a market cap of about $56 billion in 2000, when the stock was at its all-time high of $94.62 a share.
To put that in even more perspective, GM’s market value is now roughly equivalent to that of tax-preparation provider H&R Block (NYSE: hrb) or toy maker Mattel (NYSE: mat).
Even more humbling for the auto maker, GM’s value is now:
* Half that of cosmetics company Avon (NYSE: avp)
* A third of cruise operator Carnival Cruiselines (NYSE: ccl)
* A quarter of Internet media company Yahoo! (NASDAQ: yhoo)
* A fifth of online auction house Ebay (NASDAQ: ebay)
* A sixth of retailer Home Depot (NYSE: hd)
* A seventh of biotech firm Amgen’s (NASDAQ: amgn) league
* An eighth of drugstore chain CVS (NYSE: cvs)
* A ninth of fast-food giant McDonald’s (NYSE: mcd)
Last, but not least, GM is now 1/66th the size of fellow Dow component Exxon. (NYSE: xom)
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