Gay Marriage Ruling

[jpinpb]

golfgal – you make some very good and compelling arguments. I have to say that for marion, I’m sure there are some solid reasons for your divorce, nevertheless, religion is against it for the most part. And that’s why I have trouble w/the double standards, the hypocracy, etc.

I am very conservative financially. I am not so liberal that I think we should give hand-outs to the poor. But when it comes to certain social issues, I just wish the government would stay out of it.

Although not my sexual orientation, I think the right to marriage should be allowed. It will not affect me personally. As I said, there are gay couples out there that have outlasted many heterosexual marriages that I know.

Lastly – golfgal – “Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? ”

If only that were true and in effect.

[Anonymous]

seattle, you posted a good possible scenario. I’m thinking of a scenario in which a person gets fed up with the opposite sex, has sex with a person of the same sex, likes it and gets sprung on the taboo factor and perversion of it all, then decides to switch teams. Lifestyle choice.

[Anonymous]

seattle, you posted a good possible scenario. I’m thinking of a scenario in which a person gets fed up with the opposite sex, has sex with a person of the same sex, likes it and gets sprung on the taboo factor and perversion of it all, then decides to switch teams. Lifestyle choice.

[Anonymous]

seattle, you posted a good possible scenario. I’m thinking of a scenario in which a person gets fed up with the opposite sex, has sex with a person of the same sex, likes it and gets sprung on the taboo factor and perversion of it all, then decides to switch teams. Lifestyle choice.

[Anonymous]

seattle, you posted a good possible scenario. I’m thinking of a scenario in which a person gets fed up with the opposite sex, has sex with a person of the same sex, likes it and gets sprung on the taboo factor and perversion of it all, then decides to switch teams. Lifestyle choice.

[Anonymous]

seattle, you posted a good possible scenario. I’m thinking of a scenario in which a person gets fed up with the opposite sex, has sex with a person of the same sex, likes it and gets sprung on the taboo factor and perversion of it all, then decides to switch teams. Lifestyle choice.

[NotCranky]

The two people that I knew as children who are gay had their gender/sexual identity messed with when they were very small. The people who I know that have been seriously confused ditto.
One of the children was my step sister. My step father couldn’t handle having three girls so he always let the middle one know she was a good as a boy. (I came around years later). I mean the guy had real issues. The other was a grade schooler who really wasn’t a very tough guy and his father constantly berated him for it and compared him down to his brother who oddly enough, was tough enough to chew glass.
I have met adults who have vacillated and then gone to therapy and some have resulted in being straight living and some gay or lesbian. I have met unwaveringly gay people who say nothing significant ever happened to them and I believe them. I don’t really buy the hotdog and bun theory and find it a pretty undeveloped theory. Not that mine are much better. So as for biological causes. I think that homosexuality is tied to dominance and submissiveness that are part of situational social orientation from our animal nature and not deviant as such and probably not not deviant when homosexuality occurs as the dominant orientation to an individual. Not anymore than it is deviant for people to be born with recessive hair color or one blue eye and one brown, as sometimes is the case. So it may or may not be “genetic” but might be a logical and unavoidable result on a percentage basis. Seems like history bears that out well enough. Should people with red hair or one blue eye and one brown be allowed equal rights?
For those who might be offended I really, really don’t mean offense. I hope that shows.This is the best way I know how to discuss this topic given my limited experience, and hopefully, open minded observations and studies.

[NotCranky]

The two people that I knew as children who are gay had their gender/sexual identity messed with when they were very small. The people who I know that have been seriously confused ditto.
One of the children was my step sister. My step father couldn’t handle having three girls so he always let the middle one know she was a good as a boy. (I came around years later). I mean the guy had real issues. The other was a grade schooler who really wasn’t a very tough guy and his father constantly berated him for it and compared him down to his brother who oddly enough, was tough enough to chew glass.
I have met adults who have vacillated and then gone to therapy and some have resulted in being straight living and some gay or lesbian. I have met unwaveringly gay people who say nothing significant ever happened to them and I believe them. I don’t really buy the hotdog and bun theory and find it a pretty undeveloped theory. Not that mine are much better. So as for biological causes. I think that homosexuality is tied to dominance and submissiveness that are part of situational social orientation from our animal nature and not deviant as such and probably not not deviant when homosexuality occurs as the dominant orientation to an individual. Not anymore than it is deviant for people to be born with recessive hair color or one blue eye and one brown, as sometimes is the case. So it may or may not be “genetic” but might be a logical and unavoidable result on a percentage basis. Seems like history bears that out well enough. Should people with red hair or one blue eye and one brown be allowed equal rights?
For those who might be offended I really, really don’t mean offense. I hope that shows.This is the best way I know how to discuss this topic given my limited experience, and hopefully, open minded observations and studies.

[NotCranky]

The two people that I knew as children who are gay had their gender/sexual identity messed with when they were very small. The people who I know that have been seriously confused ditto.
One of the children was my step sister. My step father couldn’t handle having three girls so he always let the middle one know she was a good as a boy. (I came around years later). I mean the guy had real issues. The other was a grade schooler who really wasn’t a very tough guy and his father constantly berated him for it and compared him down to his brother who oddly enough, was tough enough to chew glass.
I have met adults who have vacillated and then gone to therapy and some have resulted in being straight living and some gay or lesbian. I have met unwaveringly gay people who say nothing significant ever happened to them and I believe them. I don’t really buy the hotdog and bun theory and find it a pretty undeveloped theory. Not that mine are much better. So as for biological causes. I think that homosexuality is tied to dominance and submissiveness that are part of situational social orientation from our animal nature and not deviant as such and probably not not deviant when homosexuality occurs as the dominant orientation to an individual. Not anymore than it is deviant for people to be born with recessive hair color or one blue eye and one brown, as sometimes is the case. So it may or may not be “genetic” but might be a logical and unavoidable result on a percentage basis. Seems like history bears that out well enough. Should people with red hair or one blue eye and one brown be allowed equal rights?
For those who might be offended I really, really don’t mean offense. I hope that shows.This is the best way I know how to discuss this topic given my limited experience, and hopefully, open minded observations and studies.

[NotCranky]

The two people that I knew as children who are gay had their gender/sexual identity messed with when they were very small. The people who I know that have been seriously confused ditto.
One of the children was my step sister. My step father couldn’t handle having three girls so he always let the middle one know she was a good as a boy. (I came around years later). I mean the guy had real issues. The other was a grade schooler who really wasn’t a very tough guy and his father constantly berated him for it and compared him down to his brother who oddly enough, was tough enough to chew glass.
I have met adults who have vacillated and then gone to therapy and some have resulted in being straight living and some gay or lesbian. I have met unwaveringly gay people who say nothing significant ever happened to them and I believe them. I don’t really buy the hotdog and bun theory and find it a pretty undeveloped theory. Not that mine are much better. So as for biological causes. I think that homosexuality is tied to dominance and submissiveness that are part of situational social orientation from our animal nature and not deviant as such and probably not not deviant when homosexuality occurs as the dominant orientation to an individual. Not anymore than it is deviant for people to be born with recessive hair color or one blue eye and one brown, as sometimes is the case. So it may or may not be “genetic” but might be a logical and unavoidable result on a percentage basis. Seems like history bears that out well enough. Should people with red hair or one blue eye and one brown be allowed equal rights?
For those who might be offended I really, really don’t mean offense. I hope that shows.This is the best way I know how to discuss this topic given my limited experience, and hopefully, open minded observations and studies.

[NotCranky]

The two people that I knew as children who are gay had their gender/sexual identity messed with when they were very small. The people who I know that have been seriously confused ditto.
One of the children was my step sister. My step father couldn’t handle having three girls so he always let the middle one know she was a good as a boy. (I came around years later). I mean the guy had real issues. The other was a grade schooler who really wasn’t a very tough guy and his father constantly berated him for it and compared him down to his brother who oddly enough, was tough enough to chew glass.
I have met adults who have vacillated and then gone to therapy and some have resulted in being straight living and some gay or lesbian. I have met unwaveringly gay people who say nothing significant ever happened to them and I believe them. I don’t really buy the hotdog and bun theory and find it a pretty undeveloped theory. Not that mine are much better. So as for biological causes. I think that homosexuality is tied to dominance and submissiveness that are part of situational social orientation from our animal nature and not deviant as such and probably not not deviant when homosexuality occurs as the dominant orientation to an individual. Not anymore than it is deviant for people to be born with recessive hair color or one blue eye and one brown, as sometimes is the case. So it may or may not be “genetic” but might be a logical and unavoidable result on a percentage basis. Seems like history bears that out well enough. Should people with red hair or one blue eye and one brown be allowed equal rights?
For those who might be offended I really, really don’t mean offense. I hope that shows.This is the best way I know how to discuss this topic given my limited experience, and hopefully, open minded observations and studies.

[sd_bear]

The slippery slope argument is baseless.

Can a dog/goat/cow consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can a child consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can two male adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can two female adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can one female and one male adult consent to marriage? Yes.

What’s the argument here? How does this open up anything that isn’t opened up already?

[sd_bear]

The slippery slope argument is baseless.

Can a dog/goat/cow consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can a child consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can two male adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can two female adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can one female and one male adult consent to marriage? Yes.

What’s the argument here? How does this open up anything that isn’t opened up already?

[sd_bear]

The slippery slope argument is baseless.

Can a dog/goat/cow consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can a child consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can two male adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can two female adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can one female and one male adult consent to marriage? Yes.

What’s the argument here? How does this open up anything that isn’t opened up already?

[sd_bear]

The slippery slope argument is baseless.

Can a dog/goat/cow consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can a child consent to marriage with an adult? No.

Can two male adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can two female adults consent to marriage? Yes.

Can one female and one male adult consent to marriage? Yes.

What’s the argument here? How does this open up anything that isn’t opened up already?

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