Gay Marriage Ruling

[Anonymous]

Rustico, I think it’s an intellectual discussion in that we are physiologically made to be with the opposite sex. It’s hard to argue with that. On an emotional level, it’s not an intellectual argument and we should accept those who are different, and I do.

Even though I don’t feel that homosexuality is normal, I don’t hate those who are gay.

Instead of saying that people aren’t born this way, I should have said that I think they aren’t “supposed” to be born this way. I can never believe someone is meant to be gay, and I have made it clear why I feel that way. For those who are born this way, if they are it would be because of damaged “wiring” and basically a mistake.

I know this is hurtful to Brad and others who have loved ones that are gay, but I don’t know how else to explain my view on this. And I would never look down on someone who’s hurting.

Do I think all people who claim they are gay are born this way, no I don’t. For some, I really do believe it’s a lifestyle choice, with one or more factors influencing their decision.

[zzz]

Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family? I think you should worry about the impact of your actions such as the divorce in of itself and the fight with your husband for “your spousal”, versus worrying about whether gay men or gay women want to marry each other. What about sex outside of marriage? What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you? Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

My issue with being against gay marriage is akin to what others have argued about discrminating based on race, sex, sexual preference, height, etc. How does gay marriage affect you? Really, it shouldn’t if you have your own house in order.

If the argument against gay marriage is only that its “wrong, unnatural, not normal” then how would the same person making that argument feel if people started judging their lives based on that criteria? Say because they are fat or obese? What if the government decided fat people would not have the same rights as the rest of the population because obesity is unhealty and it sends the “wrong message” to our children?

What about home schooling children? Its certainly not the “norm” to home school your kids. Are we against gay marriage because we’re afraid then we might allow them to have kids? How about those on welfare who have children? Should people who can’t care for themselves bring children into this world? Is it moral that those on welfare don’t have just 1 kid, but may have 6 or 8 kids and the more kids they have, the more we give them in benefits? Should we sterilize them? Is it ok for single unmarried people to have children? So if I’m a straight single woman, its ok for me to have a kid outside of marriage (gosh that means I’m having premarital sex and must be a whore), but not if its a gay committed couple? What about a single straight man, should he be allowed to raise a kid on his own?

I think governmental intervention is a slippery slope where you can find arguments for greater intervention and areas for less. Government “regulation” of societal norms I’m afraid is a neccessary evil. My issue is when the intervention lack parity because of sex or religion. Isn’t the issue of gay marriage really about religion? Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? This lack parity already occurs in many forms in our society and legislation, but doesn’t mean we should support further perpetuation of inequality.

[zzz]

Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family? I think you should worry about the impact of your actions such as the divorce in of itself and the fight with your husband for “your spousal”, versus worrying about whether gay men or gay women want to marry each other. What about sex outside of marriage? What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you? Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

My issue with being against gay marriage is akin to what others have argued about discrminating based on race, sex, sexual preference, height, etc. How does gay marriage affect you? Really, it shouldn’t if you have your own house in order.

If the argument against gay marriage is only that its “wrong, unnatural, not normal” then how would the same person making that argument feel if people started judging their lives based on that criteria? Say because they are fat or obese? What if the government decided fat people would not have the same rights as the rest of the population because obesity is unhealty and it sends the “wrong message” to our children?

What about home schooling children? Its certainly not the “norm” to home school your kids. Are we against gay marriage because we’re afraid then we might allow them to have kids? How about those on welfare who have children? Should people who can’t care for themselves bring children into this world? Is it moral that those on welfare don’t have just 1 kid, but may have 6 or 8 kids and the more kids they have, the more we give them in benefits? Should we sterilize them? Is it ok for single unmarried people to have children? So if I’m a straight single woman, its ok for me to have a kid outside of marriage (gosh that means I’m having premarital sex and must be a whore), but not if its a gay committed couple? What about a single straight man, should he be allowed to raise a kid on his own?

I think governmental intervention is a slippery slope where you can find arguments for greater intervention and areas for less. Government “regulation” of societal norms I’m afraid is a neccessary evil. My issue is when the intervention lack parity because of sex or religion. Isn’t the issue of gay marriage really about religion? Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? This lack parity already occurs in many forms in our society and legislation, but doesn’t mean we should support further perpetuation of inequality.

[zzz]

Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family? I think you should worry about the impact of your actions such as the divorce in of itself and the fight with your husband for “your spousal”, versus worrying about whether gay men or gay women want to marry each other. What about sex outside of marriage? What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you? Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

My issue with being against gay marriage is akin to what others have argued about discrminating based on race, sex, sexual preference, height, etc. How does gay marriage affect you? Really, it shouldn’t if you have your own house in order.

If the argument against gay marriage is only that its “wrong, unnatural, not normal” then how would the same person making that argument feel if people started judging their lives based on that criteria? Say because they are fat or obese? What if the government decided fat people would not have the same rights as the rest of the population because obesity is unhealty and it sends the “wrong message” to our children?

What about home schooling children? Its certainly not the “norm” to home school your kids. Are we against gay marriage because we’re afraid then we might allow them to have kids? How about those on welfare who have children? Should people who can’t care for themselves bring children into this world? Is it moral that those on welfare don’t have just 1 kid, but may have 6 or 8 kids and the more kids they have, the more we give them in benefits? Should we sterilize them? Is it ok for single unmarried people to have children? So if I’m a straight single woman, its ok for me to have a kid outside of marriage (gosh that means I’m having premarital sex and must be a whore), but not if its a gay committed couple? What about a single straight man, should he be allowed to raise a kid on his own?

I think governmental intervention is a slippery slope where you can find arguments for greater intervention and areas for less. Government “regulation” of societal norms I’m afraid is a neccessary evil. My issue is when the intervention lack parity because of sex or religion. Isn’t the issue of gay marriage really about religion? Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? This lack parity already occurs in many forms in our society and legislation, but doesn’t mean we should support further perpetuation of inequality.

[zzz]

Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family? I think you should worry about the impact of your actions such as the divorce in of itself and the fight with your husband for “your spousal”, versus worrying about whether gay men or gay women want to marry each other. What about sex outside of marriage? What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you? Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

My issue with being against gay marriage is akin to what others have argued about discrminating based on race, sex, sexual preference, height, etc. How does gay marriage affect you? Really, it shouldn’t if you have your own house in order.

If the argument against gay marriage is only that its “wrong, unnatural, not normal” then how would the same person making that argument feel if people started judging their lives based on that criteria? Say because they are fat or obese? What if the government decided fat people would not have the same rights as the rest of the population because obesity is unhealty and it sends the “wrong message” to our children?

What about home schooling children? Its certainly not the “norm” to home school your kids. Are we against gay marriage because we’re afraid then we might allow them to have kids? How about those on welfare who have children? Should people who can’t care for themselves bring children into this world? Is it moral that those on welfare don’t have just 1 kid, but may have 6 or 8 kids and the more kids they have, the more we give them in benefits? Should we sterilize them? Is it ok for single unmarried people to have children? So if I’m a straight single woman, its ok for me to have a kid outside of marriage (gosh that means I’m having premarital sex and must be a whore), but not if its a gay committed couple? What about a single straight man, should he be allowed to raise a kid on his own?

I think governmental intervention is a slippery slope where you can find arguments for greater intervention and areas for less. Government “regulation” of societal norms I’m afraid is a neccessary evil. My issue is when the intervention lack parity because of sex or religion. Isn’t the issue of gay marriage really about religion? Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? This lack parity already occurs in many forms in our society and legislation, but doesn’t mean we should support further perpetuation of inequality.

[zzz]

Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family? I think you should worry about the impact of your actions such as the divorce in of itself and the fight with your husband for “your spousal”, versus worrying about whether gay men or gay women want to marry each other. What about sex outside of marriage? What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you? Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

My issue with being against gay marriage is akin to what others have argued about discrminating based on race, sex, sexual preference, height, etc. How does gay marriage affect you? Really, it shouldn’t if you have your own house in order.

If the argument against gay marriage is only that its “wrong, unnatural, not normal” then how would the same person making that argument feel if people started judging their lives based on that criteria? Say because they are fat or obese? What if the government decided fat people would not have the same rights as the rest of the population because obesity is unhealty and it sends the “wrong message” to our children?

What about home schooling children? Its certainly not the “norm” to home school your kids. Are we against gay marriage because we’re afraid then we might allow them to have kids? How about those on welfare who have children? Should people who can’t care for themselves bring children into this world? Is it moral that those on welfare don’t have just 1 kid, but may have 6 or 8 kids and the more kids they have, the more we give them in benefits? Should we sterilize them? Is it ok for single unmarried people to have children? So if I’m a straight single woman, its ok for me to have a kid outside of marriage (gosh that means I’m having premarital sex and must be a whore), but not if its a gay committed couple? What about a single straight man, should he be allowed to raise a kid on his own?

I think governmental intervention is a slippery slope where you can find arguments for greater intervention and areas for less. Government “regulation” of societal norms I’m afraid is a neccessary evil. My issue is when the intervention lack parity because of sex or religion. Isn’t the issue of gay marriage really about religion? Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? This lack parity already occurs in many forms in our society and legislation, but doesn’t mean we should support further perpetuation of inequality.

[seattle-relo]

Marion – What factors do you mean that would influnece their decision? I could see the possibility of a woman chosing to be a lesbian because she was molested as a child by her father and became so uncomfortable with sexuality and men due to such abuse…but other than that, what factors are you thinking?

[seattle-relo]

Marion – What factors do you mean that would influnece their decision? I could see the possibility of a woman chosing to be a lesbian because she was molested as a child by her father and became so uncomfortable with sexuality and men due to such abuse…but other than that, what factors are you thinking?

[seattle-relo]

Marion – What factors do you mean that would influnece their decision? I could see the possibility of a woman chosing to be a lesbian because she was molested as a child by her father and became so uncomfortable with sexuality and men due to such abuse…but other than that, what factors are you thinking?

[seattle-relo]

Marion – What factors do you mean that would influnece their decision? I could see the possibility of a woman chosing to be a lesbian because she was molested as a child by her father and became so uncomfortable with sexuality and men due to such abuse…but other than that, what factors are you thinking?

[seattle-relo]

Marion – What factors do you mean that would influnece their decision? I could see the possibility of a woman chosing to be a lesbian because she was molested as a child by her father and became so uncomfortable with sexuality and men due to such abuse…but other than that, what factors are you thinking?

[jpinpb]

golfgal – you make some very good and compelling arguments. I have to say that for marion, I’m sure there are some solid reasons for your divorce, nevertheless, religion is against it for the most part. And that’s why I have trouble w/the double standards, the hypocracy, etc.

I am very conservative financially. I am not so liberal that I think we should give hand-outs to the poor. But when it comes to certain social issues, I just wish the government would stay out of it.

Although not my sexual orientation, I think the right to marriage should be allowed. It will not affect me personally. As I said, there are gay couples out there that have outlasted many heterosexual marriages that I know.

Lastly – golfgal – “Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? ”

If only that were true and in effect.

[jpinpb]

golfgal – you make some very good and compelling arguments. I have to say that for marion, I’m sure there are some solid reasons for your divorce, nevertheless, religion is against it for the most part. And that’s why I have trouble w/the double standards, the hypocracy, etc.

I am very conservative financially. I am not so liberal that I think we should give hand-outs to the poor. But when it comes to certain social issues, I just wish the government would stay out of it.

Although not my sexual orientation, I think the right to marriage should be allowed. It will not affect me personally. As I said, there are gay couples out there that have outlasted many heterosexual marriages that I know.

Lastly – golfgal – “Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? ”

If only that were true and in effect.

[jpinpb]

golfgal – you make some very good and compelling arguments. I have to say that for marion, I’m sure there are some solid reasons for your divorce, nevertheless, religion is against it for the most part. And that’s why I have trouble w/the double standards, the hypocracy, etc.

I am very conservative financially. I am not so liberal that I think we should give hand-outs to the poor. But when it comes to certain social issues, I just wish the government would stay out of it.

Although not my sexual orientation, I think the right to marriage should be allowed. It will not affect me personally. As I said, there are gay couples out there that have outlasted many heterosexual marriages that I know.

Lastly – golfgal – “Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? ”

If only that were true and in effect.

[jpinpb]

golfgal – you make some very good and compelling arguments. I have to say that for marion, I’m sure there are some solid reasons for your divorce, nevertheless, religion is against it for the most part. And that’s why I have trouble w/the double standards, the hypocracy, etc.

I am very conservative financially. I am not so liberal that I think we should give hand-outs to the poor. But when it comes to certain social issues, I just wish the government would stay out of it.

Although not my sexual orientation, I think the right to marriage should be allowed. It will not affect me personally. As I said, there are gay couples out there that have outlasted many heterosexual marriages that I know.

Lastly – golfgal – “Didnt we decide eons ago to separate church and state? ”

If only that were true and in effect.

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