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May 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM #393094May 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM #392438
patientrenter
ParticipantDo we agree that only government can change the agent – principal problem? And that agents have the upper hand in lobbying our govt reps?
I don’t see how this can change. The general public howls for foreclosure forebearance, but barely recognizes the agent principal problem. I am usually optimistic, but here I wonder if we’ve crossed the point of no return. Our pols are pretty much captive to these agents. If this is the case, then there will be ever larger amounts of ‘stupid’ money that’s taken advantage of. I don’t like it, but as Authers points out, it does open opportunities to those who choose to take advantage.
May 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM #392703patientrenter
ParticipantDo we agree that only government can change the agent – principal problem? And that agents have the upper hand in lobbying our govt reps?
I don’t see how this can change. The general public howls for foreclosure forebearance, but barely recognizes the agent principal problem. I am usually optimistic, but here I wonder if we’ve crossed the point of no return. Our pols are pretty much captive to these agents. If this is the case, then there will be ever larger amounts of ‘stupid’ money that’s taken advantage of. I don’t like it, but as Authers points out, it does open opportunities to those who choose to take advantage.
May 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM #392913patientrenter
ParticipantDo we agree that only government can change the agent – principal problem? And that agents have the upper hand in lobbying our govt reps?
I don’t see how this can change. The general public howls for foreclosure forebearance, but barely recognizes the agent principal problem. I am usually optimistic, but here I wonder if we’ve crossed the point of no return. Our pols are pretty much captive to these agents. If this is the case, then there will be ever larger amounts of ‘stupid’ money that’s taken advantage of. I don’t like it, but as Authers points out, it does open opportunities to those who choose to take advantage.
May 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM #392966patientrenter
ParticipantDo we agree that only government can change the agent – principal problem? And that agents have the upper hand in lobbying our govt reps?
I don’t see how this can change. The general public howls for foreclosure forebearance, but barely recognizes the agent principal problem. I am usually optimistic, but here I wonder if we’ve crossed the point of no return. Our pols are pretty much captive to these agents. If this is the case, then there will be ever larger amounts of ‘stupid’ money that’s taken advantage of. I don’t like it, but as Authers points out, it does open opportunities to those who choose to take advantage.
May 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM #393109patientrenter
ParticipantDo we agree that only government can change the agent – principal problem? And that agents have the upper hand in lobbying our govt reps?
I don’t see how this can change. The general public howls for foreclosure forebearance, but barely recognizes the agent principal problem. I am usually optimistic, but here I wonder if we’ve crossed the point of no return. Our pols are pretty much captive to these agents. If this is the case, then there will be ever larger amounts of ‘stupid’ money that’s taken advantage of. I don’t like it, but as Authers points out, it does open opportunities to those who choose to take advantage.
May 3, 2009 at 7:23 PM #392449Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantPR: Our pols are not only captive to these agents, in many instances, they ARE these agents. Look at Rubin, Paulson, Summers, et al. All of them, at one point or another in their careers, were significant players on The Street.
The MSM have aided and abetted in either obscuring these relationships or mis-reporting the significance of them. Paulson is an excellent example. I can understand why the WSJ hasn’t done an in-depth investigative piece on him, but why not the NYTimes or WashPost? Isn’t that their job?
Someone mentioned a swamp in an earlier post. I think it’s time to drain the damn thing and start over.
May 3, 2009 at 7:23 PM #392713Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantPR: Our pols are not only captive to these agents, in many instances, they ARE these agents. Look at Rubin, Paulson, Summers, et al. All of them, at one point or another in their careers, were significant players on The Street.
The MSM have aided and abetted in either obscuring these relationships or mis-reporting the significance of them. Paulson is an excellent example. I can understand why the WSJ hasn’t done an in-depth investigative piece on him, but why not the NYTimes or WashPost? Isn’t that their job?
Someone mentioned a swamp in an earlier post. I think it’s time to drain the damn thing and start over.
May 3, 2009 at 7:23 PM #392924Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantPR: Our pols are not only captive to these agents, in many instances, they ARE these agents. Look at Rubin, Paulson, Summers, et al. All of them, at one point or another in their careers, were significant players on The Street.
The MSM have aided and abetted in either obscuring these relationships or mis-reporting the significance of them. Paulson is an excellent example. I can understand why the WSJ hasn’t done an in-depth investigative piece on him, but why not the NYTimes or WashPost? Isn’t that their job?
Someone mentioned a swamp in an earlier post. I think it’s time to drain the damn thing and start over.
May 3, 2009 at 7:23 PM #392976Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantPR: Our pols are not only captive to these agents, in many instances, they ARE these agents. Look at Rubin, Paulson, Summers, et al. All of them, at one point or another in their careers, were significant players on The Street.
The MSM have aided and abetted in either obscuring these relationships or mis-reporting the significance of them. Paulson is an excellent example. I can understand why the WSJ hasn’t done an in-depth investigative piece on him, but why not the NYTimes or WashPost? Isn’t that their job?
Someone mentioned a swamp in an earlier post. I think it’s time to drain the damn thing and start over.
May 3, 2009 at 7:23 PM #393119Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantPR: Our pols are not only captive to these agents, in many instances, they ARE these agents. Look at Rubin, Paulson, Summers, et al. All of them, at one point or another in their careers, were significant players on The Street.
The MSM have aided and abetted in either obscuring these relationships or mis-reporting the significance of them. Paulson is an excellent example. I can understand why the WSJ hasn’t done an in-depth investigative piece on him, but why not the NYTimes or WashPost? Isn’t that their job?
Someone mentioned a swamp in an earlier post. I think it’s time to drain the damn thing and start over.
May 3, 2009 at 8:52 PM #392455Bob
ParticipantThe above article is a good read, but I take issue with naming it the “driver of the current economic problems”. Rather, the article decribes some of the symptoms of the problem – a problem which was, and continues to be, the Federal Reserve.
No matter how one slices it, the fact is, the Federal Reserve had the constitutional authority to mandate tighter lending guidelines on all lenders. Greenspan could have stopped the ridiculous practices by lenders which gave loans to people with no money down, bad credit scores, etc…But he didn’t because the banks which he represents were bringing in record profits during the boom. When Bernanke took over, he was slow to act as well. It wasn’t until it was painfully obvious that a severe contraction in the housing market was occurring did Bernanke finally mandate new lending guidelines, but by then it was too late to stop the deflationary contraction. Once Bernanke realized the true extent of the problem on Wall St. he jumped in and paved the way for bailouts for the big banks.
May 3, 2009 at 8:52 PM #392720Bob
ParticipantThe above article is a good read, but I take issue with naming it the “driver of the current economic problems”. Rather, the article decribes some of the symptoms of the problem – a problem which was, and continues to be, the Federal Reserve.
No matter how one slices it, the fact is, the Federal Reserve had the constitutional authority to mandate tighter lending guidelines on all lenders. Greenspan could have stopped the ridiculous practices by lenders which gave loans to people with no money down, bad credit scores, etc…But he didn’t because the banks which he represents were bringing in record profits during the boom. When Bernanke took over, he was slow to act as well. It wasn’t until it was painfully obvious that a severe contraction in the housing market was occurring did Bernanke finally mandate new lending guidelines, but by then it was too late to stop the deflationary contraction. Once Bernanke realized the true extent of the problem on Wall St. he jumped in and paved the way for bailouts for the big banks.
May 3, 2009 at 8:52 PM #392930Bob
ParticipantThe above article is a good read, but I take issue with naming it the “driver of the current economic problems”. Rather, the article decribes some of the symptoms of the problem – a problem which was, and continues to be, the Federal Reserve.
No matter how one slices it, the fact is, the Federal Reserve had the constitutional authority to mandate tighter lending guidelines on all lenders. Greenspan could have stopped the ridiculous practices by lenders which gave loans to people with no money down, bad credit scores, etc…But he didn’t because the banks which he represents were bringing in record profits during the boom. When Bernanke took over, he was slow to act as well. It wasn’t until it was painfully obvious that a severe contraction in the housing market was occurring did Bernanke finally mandate new lending guidelines, but by then it was too late to stop the deflationary contraction. Once Bernanke realized the true extent of the problem on Wall St. he jumped in and paved the way for bailouts for the big banks.
May 3, 2009 at 8:52 PM #392982Bob
ParticipantThe above article is a good read, but I take issue with naming it the “driver of the current economic problems”. Rather, the article decribes some of the symptoms of the problem – a problem which was, and continues to be, the Federal Reserve.
No matter how one slices it, the fact is, the Federal Reserve had the constitutional authority to mandate tighter lending guidelines on all lenders. Greenspan could have stopped the ridiculous practices by lenders which gave loans to people with no money down, bad credit scores, etc…But he didn’t because the banks which he represents were bringing in record profits during the boom. When Bernanke took over, he was slow to act as well. It wasn’t until it was painfully obvious that a severe contraction in the housing market was occurring did Bernanke finally mandate new lending guidelines, but by then it was too late to stop the deflationary contraction. Once Bernanke realized the true extent of the problem on Wall St. he jumped in and paved the way for bailouts for the big banks.
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