Free traders and housing bubble nuts

[Rt.66]

Sorry Allen.

All along I thought we were on opposite sides of the fence here. I guess I should have been reading.

Really, I apologize.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Sorry Allen.

All along I thought we were on opposite sides of the fence here. I guess I should have been reading.

Really, I apologize.[/quote]

Scarlet: While I appreciate the sentiment, you certainly don’t need to apologize to me.

What I was trying to say all along, on this thread and others, is that I fully support American manufacturing and I always have. However, we replaced the economic model where we made stuff (manufacturing) with the economic model where we pushed paper around (service/finance).

For the record, I think you are completely RIGHT about the necessity of returning to the manufacturing model and completely RIGHT about fair trade and free trade. We have taken it in the shorts through calamitous trade legislation and I wouldn’t argue that point at all.

However, if we plan on returning to PROFITABLE manufacturing, we cannot use the model that GM did. It didn’t work. At all.

So, if we’re serious about manufacturing, we also need to be serious about competitiveness and profitability, otherwise we’re right back in the same position.

That’s all I’ve been trying to say all along.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Sorry Allen.

All along I thought we were on opposite sides of the fence here. I guess I should have been reading.

Really, I apologize.[/quote]

Scarlet: While I appreciate the sentiment, you certainly don’t need to apologize to me.

What I was trying to say all along, on this thread and others, is that I fully support American manufacturing and I always have. However, we replaced the economic model where we made stuff (manufacturing) with the economic model where we pushed paper around (service/finance).

For the record, I think you are completely RIGHT about the necessity of returning to the manufacturing model and completely RIGHT about fair trade and free trade. We have taken it in the shorts through calamitous trade legislation and I wouldn’t argue that point at all.

However, if we plan on returning to PROFITABLE manufacturing, we cannot use the model that GM did. It didn’t work. At all.

So, if we’re serious about manufacturing, we also need to be serious about competitiveness and profitability, otherwise we’re right back in the same position.

That’s all I’ve been trying to say all along.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Sorry Allen.

All along I thought we were on opposite sides of the fence here. I guess I should have been reading.

Really, I apologize.[/quote]

Scarlet: While I appreciate the sentiment, you certainly don’t need to apologize to me.

What I was trying to say all along, on this thread and others, is that I fully support American manufacturing and I always have. However, we replaced the economic model where we made stuff (manufacturing) with the economic model where we pushed paper around (service/finance).

For the record, I think you are completely RIGHT about the necessity of returning to the manufacturing model and completely RIGHT about fair trade and free trade. We have taken it in the shorts through calamitous trade legislation and I wouldn’t argue that point at all.

However, if we plan on returning to PROFITABLE manufacturing, we cannot use the model that GM did. It didn’t work. At all.

So, if we’re serious about manufacturing, we also need to be serious about competitiveness and profitability, otherwise we’re right back in the same position.

That’s all I’ve been trying to say all along.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Sorry Allen.

All along I thought we were on opposite sides of the fence here. I guess I should have been reading.

Really, I apologize.[/quote]

Scarlet: While I appreciate the sentiment, you certainly don’t need to apologize to me.

What I was trying to say all along, on this thread and others, is that I fully support American manufacturing and I always have. However, we replaced the economic model where we made stuff (manufacturing) with the economic model where we pushed paper around (service/finance).

For the record, I think you are completely RIGHT about the necessity of returning to the manufacturing model and completely RIGHT about fair trade and free trade. We have taken it in the shorts through calamitous trade legislation and I wouldn’t argue that point at all.

However, if we plan on returning to PROFITABLE manufacturing, we cannot use the model that GM did. It didn’t work. At all.

So, if we’re serious about manufacturing, we also need to be serious about competitiveness and profitability, otherwise we’re right back in the same position.

That’s all I’ve been trying to say all along.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Sorry Allen.

All along I thought we were on opposite sides of the fence here. I guess I should have been reading.

Really, I apologize.[/quote]

Scarlet: While I appreciate the sentiment, you certainly don’t need to apologize to me.

What I was trying to say all along, on this thread and others, is that I fully support American manufacturing and I always have. However, we replaced the economic model where we made stuff (manufacturing) with the economic model where we pushed paper around (service/finance).

For the record, I think you are completely RIGHT about the necessity of returning to the manufacturing model and completely RIGHT about fair trade and free trade. We have taken it in the shorts through calamitous trade legislation and I wouldn’t argue that point at all.

However, if we plan on returning to PROFITABLE manufacturing, we cannot use the model that GM did. It didn’t work. At all.

So, if we’re serious about manufacturing, we also need to be serious about competitiveness and profitability, otherwise we’re right back in the same position.

That’s all I’ve been trying to say all along.

[Rt.66]

Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.

[Rt.66]

Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.

[Rt.66]

Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.

[Rt.66]

Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.

[Rt.66]

Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

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