Free traders and housing bubble nuts

[patientrenter]

Rt 66. You don’t like globalization. OK.

So let’s just keep all trading amongst ourselves. Let’s only trade things, services, ideas amongst people like us.

Which countries do that today? North Korea is probably the best example, although even there people at the top get to trade goodies with foreigners.

And why draw the line for “people like us” at people within the USA? Why not trade only with people of the same physical appearance? Or only our own family? Let’s all become self-sufficient survivalists living in the desert.

I really don’t see why restricting trade is helpful. I can see how allowing more market-based currency prices would be helpful, and lower non-tariff and tariff barriers. But restricting trade? Why would it do any less damage than restricting trade amongst Americans?

[Rt.66]

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.

[Rt.66]

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.

[Rt.66]

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.

[Rt.66]

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.

[Rt.66]

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]You are right Allen, whatever it is you said above is proof that we should not support our domestic manufacturers and jobs. We should not demand fair trade laws.

We should continue on the path we are on. Money changing BS like giving Goldman billion$ of our tax dollars to create a stock rally 80% driven by fake trades amongst computers, now that’s the way to go! Clearly better than putting tax dollars to work regaining our own market share.

If a country cheats on us and manipulates its currency or dumps products below cost to steal our markets we should embrace them as long as we get a good deal on whatever it is they build for us. You are right Allen; we should ignore things like that and concentrate our anger on regular working class Americans because they organized into a union. It’s working out good for us so far?

Sorry everyone, Allen set me straight.[/quote]

Scarlet: Nope, not what I said at all and proof that you don’t respond to arguments with facts, rather you offer up red herrings or strawmen in place of actual facts.

It is possible to support fair and free trade practices (which I support wholeheartedly) without wanting to see organized labor and unions destroy our competitiveness (which has been my point from the beginning).

I am all FOR a return to PROFITABLE and COMPETITIVE American manufacturing, of which neither adjective can exist in conjunction with organized labor.

I am completely against government interference, confiscatory taxes or those industries (like FIRE) that don’t support meaningful wealth.

Please find where I said I was against seeing a return to American manufacturing. It doesn’t exist, does it? Where did I say that I supported Goldman Sachs? Where did I say that I believed the stock market rally was indicative of a return to American prosperity? NOWHERE. Yet you ascribe these arguments to me (a strawman and a red herring at the same time! Quite an accomplishment), even though I never made them.

As I’ve always said, I’m more than happy to debate you using FACTS, but you seem to dislike using facts intensely, instead you rely on lies, misinformation and disinformation. You’ve gotten schooled from the outset by those on this board that rely on objective facts and data, yet you continue to refuse to engage honestly. Why is that, Scarlet?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]You are right Allen, whatever it is you said above is proof that we should not support our domestic manufacturers and jobs. We should not demand fair trade laws.

We should continue on the path we are on. Money changing BS like giving Goldman billion$ of our tax dollars to create a stock rally 80% driven by fake trades amongst computers, now that’s the way to go! Clearly better than putting tax dollars to work regaining our own market share.

If a country cheats on us and manipulates its currency or dumps products below cost to steal our markets we should embrace them as long as we get a good deal on whatever it is they build for us. You are right Allen; we should ignore things like that and concentrate our anger on regular working class Americans because they organized into a union. It’s working out good for us so far?

Sorry everyone, Allen set me straight.[/quote]

Scarlet: Nope, not what I said at all and proof that you don’t respond to arguments with facts, rather you offer up red herrings or strawmen in place of actual facts.

It is possible to support fair and free trade practices (which I support wholeheartedly) without wanting to see organized labor and unions destroy our competitiveness (which has been my point from the beginning).

I am all FOR a return to PROFITABLE and COMPETITIVE American manufacturing, of which neither adjective can exist in conjunction with organized labor.

I am completely against government interference, confiscatory taxes or those industries (like FIRE) that don’t support meaningful wealth.

Please find where I said I was against seeing a return to American manufacturing. It doesn’t exist, does it? Where did I say that I supported Goldman Sachs? Where did I say that I believed the stock market rally was indicative of a return to American prosperity? NOWHERE. Yet you ascribe these arguments to me (a strawman and a red herring at the same time! Quite an accomplishment), even though I never made them.

As I’ve always said, I’m more than happy to debate you using FACTS, but you seem to dislike using facts intensely, instead you rely on lies, misinformation and disinformation. You’ve gotten schooled from the outset by those on this board that rely on objective facts and data, yet you continue to refuse to engage honestly. Why is that, Scarlet?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]You are right Allen, whatever it is you said above is proof that we should not support our domestic manufacturers and jobs. We should not demand fair trade laws.

We should continue on the path we are on. Money changing BS like giving Goldman billion$ of our tax dollars to create a stock rally 80% driven by fake trades amongst computers, now that’s the way to go! Clearly better than putting tax dollars to work regaining our own market share.

If a country cheats on us and manipulates its currency or dumps products below cost to steal our markets we should embrace them as long as we get a good deal on whatever it is they build for us. You are right Allen; we should ignore things like that and concentrate our anger on regular working class Americans because they organized into a union. It’s working out good for us so far?

Sorry everyone, Allen set me straight.[/quote]

Scarlet: Nope, not what I said at all and proof that you don’t respond to arguments with facts, rather you offer up red herrings or strawmen in place of actual facts.

It is possible to support fair and free trade practices (which I support wholeheartedly) without wanting to see organized labor and unions destroy our competitiveness (which has been my point from the beginning).

I am all FOR a return to PROFITABLE and COMPETITIVE American manufacturing, of which neither adjective can exist in conjunction with organized labor.

I am completely against government interference, confiscatory taxes or those industries (like FIRE) that don’t support meaningful wealth.

Please find where I said I was against seeing a return to American manufacturing. It doesn’t exist, does it? Where did I say that I supported Goldman Sachs? Where did I say that I believed the stock market rally was indicative of a return to American prosperity? NOWHERE. Yet you ascribe these arguments to me (a strawman and a red herring at the same time! Quite an accomplishment), even though I never made them.

As I’ve always said, I’m more than happy to debate you using FACTS, but you seem to dislike using facts intensely, instead you rely on lies, misinformation and disinformation. You’ve gotten schooled from the outset by those on this board that rely on objective facts and data, yet you continue to refuse to engage honestly. Why is that, Scarlet?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]You are right Allen, whatever it is you said above is proof that we should not support our domestic manufacturers and jobs. We should not demand fair trade laws.

We should continue on the path we are on. Money changing BS like giving Goldman billion$ of our tax dollars to create a stock rally 80% driven by fake trades amongst computers, now that’s the way to go! Clearly better than putting tax dollars to work regaining our own market share.

If a country cheats on us and manipulates its currency or dumps products below cost to steal our markets we should embrace them as long as we get a good deal on whatever it is they build for us. You are right Allen; we should ignore things like that and concentrate our anger on regular working class Americans because they organized into a union. It’s working out good for us so far?

Sorry everyone, Allen set me straight.[/quote]

Scarlet: Nope, not what I said at all and proof that you don’t respond to arguments with facts, rather you offer up red herrings or strawmen in place of actual facts.

It is possible to support fair and free trade practices (which I support wholeheartedly) without wanting to see organized labor and unions destroy our competitiveness (which has been my point from the beginning).

I am all FOR a return to PROFITABLE and COMPETITIVE American manufacturing, of which neither adjective can exist in conjunction with organized labor.

I am completely against government interference, confiscatory taxes or those industries (like FIRE) that don’t support meaningful wealth.

Please find where I said I was against seeing a return to American manufacturing. It doesn’t exist, does it? Where did I say that I supported Goldman Sachs? Where did I say that I believed the stock market rally was indicative of a return to American prosperity? NOWHERE. Yet you ascribe these arguments to me (a strawman and a red herring at the same time! Quite an accomplishment), even though I never made them.

As I’ve always said, I’m more than happy to debate you using FACTS, but you seem to dislike using facts intensely, instead you rely on lies, misinformation and disinformation. You’ve gotten schooled from the outset by those on this board that rely on objective facts and data, yet you continue to refuse to engage honestly. Why is that, Scarlet?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]You are right Allen, whatever it is you said above is proof that we should not support our domestic manufacturers and jobs. We should not demand fair trade laws.

We should continue on the path we are on. Money changing BS like giving Goldman billion$ of our tax dollars to create a stock rally 80% driven by fake trades amongst computers, now that’s the way to go! Clearly better than putting tax dollars to work regaining our own market share.

If a country cheats on us and manipulates its currency or dumps products below cost to steal our markets we should embrace them as long as we get a good deal on whatever it is they build for us. You are right Allen; we should ignore things like that and concentrate our anger on regular working class Americans because they organized into a union. It’s working out good for us so far?

Sorry everyone, Allen set me straight.[/quote]

Scarlet: Nope, not what I said at all and proof that you don’t respond to arguments with facts, rather you offer up red herrings or strawmen in place of actual facts.

It is possible to support fair and free trade practices (which I support wholeheartedly) without wanting to see organized labor and unions destroy our competitiveness (which has been my point from the beginning).

I am all FOR a return to PROFITABLE and COMPETITIVE American manufacturing, of which neither adjective can exist in conjunction with organized labor.

I am completely against government interference, confiscatory taxes or those industries (like FIRE) that don’t support meaningful wealth.

Please find where I said I was against seeing a return to American manufacturing. It doesn’t exist, does it? Where did I say that I supported Goldman Sachs? Where did I say that I believed the stock market rally was indicative of a return to American prosperity? NOWHERE. Yet you ascribe these arguments to me (a strawman and a red herring at the same time! Quite an accomplishment), even though I never made them.

As I’ve always said, I’m more than happy to debate you using FACTS, but you seem to dislike using facts intensely, instead you rely on lies, misinformation and disinformation. You’ve gotten schooled from the outset by those on this board that rely on objective facts and data, yet you continue to refuse to engage honestly. Why is that, Scarlet?

[an]

[quote=Rt.66]Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.[/quote]
How does it feel to get words put in your mouth? You seems to do that very well to others.

[an]

[quote=Rt.66]Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.[/quote]
How does it feel to get words put in your mouth? You seems to do that very well to others.

[an]

[quote=Rt.66]Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.[/quote]
How does it feel to get words put in your mouth? You seems to do that very well to others.

[an]

[quote=Rt.66]Please don’t put words in my mouth. I advocate FAIR trade.

The fact that so many Americans immediately jump to isolationism when you defend American manufacturers and jobs is disturbing in of itself.[/quote]
How does it feel to get words put in your mouth? You seems to do that very well to others.

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