Free traders and housing bubble nuts

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.[/quote]

Paramount: Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your electrical problem? I ask because I have a Ford 500 that has been experiencing a “gremlin” in my dash panel and console electrical systems and Ford has no idea what the hell is going on. It manifests itself by knocking the gauge panel out (which is nice when you’re doing 70 on the 15) and then vanishes.

What’s the nature of your ailment, and does it sound in any way similar?[/quote]

Ask them if they checked this TSB that is out there….

http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4353
Otherwise find another dealer/mechanic. It should be in their database of outstanding TSB’s if they know what their doing.

Affects Taurus/500, Freestyle, Montego

There’s a couple of additional ones out there too on electrical.
http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=27

TSB
06-6-2 INTERMITTENT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER GAUGE SWEEP/RESET – MULTIPLE WARNING LIGHTS ON – REVERSE LIGHTS ON – VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 2/17/2006

Publication Date: March 9, 2006

FORD: 2005-2006 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005-2006 Montego

Also, if it’s still under warranty, force them to pull out your ECM/ECU and swap it with another one IF the grelim is beyond just keeping your cluster lit. if your car is actually cutting out, there’s no excuse for not replacing the ECM/ECU even if they can’t find the root cause because it is a major safety issue. If it’s just a cluster defect, then well it’s not an immediate safety issue, ask them to just swap clusters to try it out (if they haven’t already).

I’d vote on thermal fatigue on some eletronic component’s solder joint as a problem…Good luck finding that one… Seriously, it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

BTW: i found the most effective way to judge a car’s reliability is NOT buy the initial quality survey conducted by JD Powers….but instead by the total number of outstanding Technical Service Bulletins and/or recalls for a particular make/model/production run of vehicle. JD Powers only evaluates the quality within the first year or two of vehicle ownership.[/quote]

FLU: You’re aces. Thanks, man, I’ll call Ford back in the morning and direct their attention to this. Fucking idiots couldn’t “find” the problem, even though FoMoCo issued a tech advisory on it. Brilliant.

It’s just the instrument cluster and it doesn’t affect vehicle performance in the slightest. Good news is that I can show the nice CHP officer my dead speedo after he pulls me over and claim I couldn’t be speeding because my speedometer said I was going “0”.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.[/quote]

Paramount: Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your electrical problem? I ask because I have a Ford 500 that has been experiencing a “gremlin” in my dash panel and console electrical systems and Ford has no idea what the hell is going on. It manifests itself by knocking the gauge panel out (which is nice when you’re doing 70 on the 15) and then vanishes.

What’s the nature of your ailment, and does it sound in any way similar?[/quote]

Ask them if they checked this TSB that is out there….

http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4353
Otherwise find another dealer/mechanic. It should be in their database of outstanding TSB’s if they know what their doing.

Affects Taurus/500, Freestyle, Montego

There’s a couple of additional ones out there too on electrical.
http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=27

TSB
06-6-2 INTERMITTENT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER GAUGE SWEEP/RESET – MULTIPLE WARNING LIGHTS ON – REVERSE LIGHTS ON – VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 2/17/2006

Publication Date: March 9, 2006

FORD: 2005-2006 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005-2006 Montego

Also, if it’s still under warranty, force them to pull out your ECM/ECU and swap it with another one IF the grelim is beyond just keeping your cluster lit. if your car is actually cutting out, there’s no excuse for not replacing the ECM/ECU even if they can’t find the root cause because it is a major safety issue. If it’s just a cluster defect, then well it’s not an immediate safety issue, ask them to just swap clusters to try it out (if they haven’t already).

I’d vote on thermal fatigue on some eletronic component’s solder joint as a problem…Good luck finding that one… Seriously, it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

BTW: i found the most effective way to judge a car’s reliability is NOT buy the initial quality survey conducted by JD Powers….but instead by the total number of outstanding Technical Service Bulletins and/or recalls for a particular make/model/production run of vehicle. JD Powers only evaluates the quality within the first year or two of vehicle ownership.[/quote]

FLU: You’re aces. Thanks, man, I’ll call Ford back in the morning and direct their attention to this. Fucking idiots couldn’t “find” the problem, even though FoMoCo issued a tech advisory on it. Brilliant.

It’s just the instrument cluster and it doesn’t affect vehicle performance in the slightest. Good news is that I can show the nice CHP officer my dead speedo after he pulls me over and claim I couldn’t be speeding because my speedometer said I was going “0”.[/quote]

np, not saying it’s a problem…But, I think you can ask them to replace the cluster to see if it goes away. They won’t be able to diagnose the actual problem because it happens intermittently. I bet there’s some issue between manufacturer and dealer that says if they just pull a part and replace it and haven’t proved it’s beyond certainty that it’s at fault, the dealer ends up footing the bill on the parts. An instrument cluster runs probably around $500-$600, so I’m willing to bet the dealer doesn’t want to cough up that dough in case it turns out to be something else…. (Not a ford thing…It happens actually at a honda/acura dealer too..)…

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.[/quote]

Paramount: Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your electrical problem? I ask because I have a Ford 500 that has been experiencing a “gremlin” in my dash panel and console electrical systems and Ford has no idea what the hell is going on. It manifests itself by knocking the gauge panel out (which is nice when you’re doing 70 on the 15) and then vanishes.

What’s the nature of your ailment, and does it sound in any way similar?[/quote]

Ask them if they checked this TSB that is out there….

http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4353
Otherwise find another dealer/mechanic. It should be in their database of outstanding TSB’s if they know what their doing.

Affects Taurus/500, Freestyle, Montego

There’s a couple of additional ones out there too on electrical.
http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=27

TSB
06-6-2 INTERMITTENT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER GAUGE SWEEP/RESET – MULTIPLE WARNING LIGHTS ON – REVERSE LIGHTS ON – VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 2/17/2006

Publication Date: March 9, 2006

FORD: 2005-2006 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005-2006 Montego

Also, if it’s still under warranty, force them to pull out your ECM/ECU and swap it with another one IF the grelim is beyond just keeping your cluster lit. if your car is actually cutting out, there’s no excuse for not replacing the ECM/ECU even if they can’t find the root cause because it is a major safety issue. If it’s just a cluster defect, then well it’s not an immediate safety issue, ask them to just swap clusters to try it out (if they haven’t already).

I’d vote on thermal fatigue on some eletronic component’s solder joint as a problem…Good luck finding that one… Seriously, it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

BTW: i found the most effective way to judge a car’s reliability is NOT buy the initial quality survey conducted by JD Powers….but instead by the total number of outstanding Technical Service Bulletins and/or recalls for a particular make/model/production run of vehicle. JD Powers only evaluates the quality within the first year or two of vehicle ownership.[/quote]

FLU: You’re aces. Thanks, man, I’ll call Ford back in the morning and direct their attention to this. Fucking idiots couldn’t “find” the problem, even though FoMoCo issued a tech advisory on it. Brilliant.

It’s just the instrument cluster and it doesn’t affect vehicle performance in the slightest. Good news is that I can show the nice CHP officer my dead speedo after he pulls me over and claim I couldn’t be speeding because my speedometer said I was going “0”.[/quote]

np, not saying it’s a problem…But, I think you can ask them to replace the cluster to see if it goes away. They won’t be able to diagnose the actual problem because it happens intermittently. I bet there’s some issue between manufacturer and dealer that says if they just pull a part and replace it and haven’t proved it’s beyond certainty that it’s at fault, the dealer ends up footing the bill on the parts. An instrument cluster runs probably around $500-$600, so I’m willing to bet the dealer doesn’t want to cough up that dough in case it turns out to be something else…. (Not a ford thing…It happens actually at a honda/acura dealer too..)…

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.[/quote]

Paramount: Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your electrical problem? I ask because I have a Ford 500 that has been experiencing a “gremlin” in my dash panel and console electrical systems and Ford has no idea what the hell is going on. It manifests itself by knocking the gauge panel out (which is nice when you’re doing 70 on the 15) and then vanishes.

What’s the nature of your ailment, and does it sound in any way similar?[/quote]

Ask them if they checked this TSB that is out there….

http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4353
Otherwise find another dealer/mechanic. It should be in their database of outstanding TSB’s if they know what their doing.

Affects Taurus/500, Freestyle, Montego

There’s a couple of additional ones out there too on electrical.
http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=27

TSB
06-6-2 INTERMITTENT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER GAUGE SWEEP/RESET – MULTIPLE WARNING LIGHTS ON – REVERSE LIGHTS ON – VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 2/17/2006

Publication Date: March 9, 2006

FORD: 2005-2006 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005-2006 Montego

Also, if it’s still under warranty, force them to pull out your ECM/ECU and swap it with another one IF the grelim is beyond just keeping your cluster lit. if your car is actually cutting out, there’s no excuse for not replacing the ECM/ECU even if they can’t find the root cause because it is a major safety issue. If it’s just a cluster defect, then well it’s not an immediate safety issue, ask them to just swap clusters to try it out (if they haven’t already).

I’d vote on thermal fatigue on some eletronic component’s solder joint as a problem…Good luck finding that one… Seriously, it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

BTW: i found the most effective way to judge a car’s reliability is NOT buy the initial quality survey conducted by JD Powers….but instead by the total number of outstanding Technical Service Bulletins and/or recalls for a particular make/model/production run of vehicle. JD Powers only evaluates the quality within the first year or two of vehicle ownership.[/quote]

FLU: You’re aces. Thanks, man, I’ll call Ford back in the morning and direct their attention to this. Fucking idiots couldn’t “find” the problem, even though FoMoCo issued a tech advisory on it. Brilliant.

It’s just the instrument cluster and it doesn’t affect vehicle performance in the slightest. Good news is that I can show the nice CHP officer my dead speedo after he pulls me over and claim I couldn’t be speeding because my speedometer said I was going “0”.[/quote]

np, not saying it’s a problem…But, I think you can ask them to replace the cluster to see if it goes away. They won’t be able to diagnose the actual problem because it happens intermittently. I bet there’s some issue between manufacturer and dealer that says if they just pull a part and replace it and haven’t proved it’s beyond certainty that it’s at fault, the dealer ends up footing the bill on the parts. An instrument cluster runs probably around $500-$600, so I’m willing to bet the dealer doesn’t want to cough up that dough in case it turns out to be something else…. (Not a ford thing…It happens actually at a honda/acura dealer too..)…

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.[/quote]

Paramount: Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your electrical problem? I ask because I have a Ford 500 that has been experiencing a “gremlin” in my dash panel and console electrical systems and Ford has no idea what the hell is going on. It manifests itself by knocking the gauge panel out (which is nice when you’re doing 70 on the 15) and then vanishes.

What’s the nature of your ailment, and does it sound in any way similar?[/quote]

Ask them if they checked this TSB that is out there….

http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4353
Otherwise find another dealer/mechanic. It should be in their database of outstanding TSB’s if they know what their doing.

Affects Taurus/500, Freestyle, Montego

There’s a couple of additional ones out there too on electrical.
http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=27

TSB
06-6-2 INTERMITTENT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER GAUGE SWEEP/RESET – MULTIPLE WARNING LIGHTS ON – REVERSE LIGHTS ON – VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 2/17/2006

Publication Date: March 9, 2006

FORD: 2005-2006 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005-2006 Montego

Also, if it’s still under warranty, force them to pull out your ECM/ECU and swap it with another one IF the grelim is beyond just keeping your cluster lit. if your car is actually cutting out, there’s no excuse for not replacing the ECM/ECU even if they can’t find the root cause because it is a major safety issue. If it’s just a cluster defect, then well it’s not an immediate safety issue, ask them to just swap clusters to try it out (if they haven’t already).

I’d vote on thermal fatigue on some eletronic component’s solder joint as a problem…Good luck finding that one… Seriously, it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

BTW: i found the most effective way to judge a car’s reliability is NOT buy the initial quality survey conducted by JD Powers….but instead by the total number of outstanding Technical Service Bulletins and/or recalls for a particular make/model/production run of vehicle. JD Powers only evaluates the quality within the first year or two of vehicle ownership.[/quote]

FLU: You’re aces. Thanks, man, I’ll call Ford back in the morning and direct their attention to this. Fucking idiots couldn’t “find” the problem, even though FoMoCo issued a tech advisory on it. Brilliant.

It’s just the instrument cluster and it doesn’t affect vehicle performance in the slightest. Good news is that I can show the nice CHP officer my dead speedo after he pulls me over and claim I couldn’t be speeding because my speedometer said I was going “0”.[/quote]

np, not saying it’s a problem…But, I think you can ask them to replace the cluster to see if it goes away. They won’t be able to diagnose the actual problem because it happens intermittently. I bet there’s some issue between manufacturer and dealer that says if they just pull a part and replace it and haven’t proved it’s beyond certainty that it’s at fault, the dealer ends up footing the bill on the parts. An instrument cluster runs probably around $500-$600, so I’m willing to bet the dealer doesn’t want to cough up that dough in case it turns out to be something else…. (Not a ford thing…It happens actually at a honda/acura dealer too..)…

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.[/quote]

Paramount: Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your electrical problem? I ask because I have a Ford 500 that has been experiencing a “gremlin” in my dash panel and console electrical systems and Ford has no idea what the hell is going on. It manifests itself by knocking the gauge panel out (which is nice when you’re doing 70 on the 15) and then vanishes.

What’s the nature of your ailment, and does it sound in any way similar?[/quote]

Ask them if they checked this TSB that is out there….

http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4353
Otherwise find another dealer/mechanic. It should be in their database of outstanding TSB’s if they know what their doing.

Affects Taurus/500, Freestyle, Montego

There’s a couple of additional ones out there too on electrical.
http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=27

TSB
06-6-2 INTERMITTENT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER GAUGE SWEEP/RESET – MULTIPLE WARNING LIGHTS ON – REVERSE LIGHTS ON – VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 2/17/2006

Publication Date: March 9, 2006

FORD: 2005-2006 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005-2006 Montego

Also, if it’s still under warranty, force them to pull out your ECM/ECU and swap it with another one IF the grelim is beyond just keeping your cluster lit. if your car is actually cutting out, there’s no excuse for not replacing the ECM/ECU even if they can’t find the root cause because it is a major safety issue. If it’s just a cluster defect, then well it’s not an immediate safety issue, ask them to just swap clusters to try it out (if they haven’t already).

I’d vote on thermal fatigue on some eletronic component’s solder joint as a problem…Good luck finding that one… Seriously, it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

BTW: i found the most effective way to judge a car’s reliability is NOT buy the initial quality survey conducted by JD Powers….but instead by the total number of outstanding Technical Service Bulletins and/or recalls for a particular make/model/production run of vehicle. JD Powers only evaluates the quality within the first year or two of vehicle ownership.[/quote]

FLU: You’re aces. Thanks, man, I’ll call Ford back in the morning and direct their attention to this. Fucking idiots couldn’t “find” the problem, even though FoMoCo issued a tech advisory on it. Brilliant.

It’s just the instrument cluster and it doesn’t affect vehicle performance in the slightest. Good news is that I can show the nice CHP officer my dead speedo after he pulls me over and claim I couldn’t be speeding because my speedometer said I was going “0”.[/quote]

np, not saying it’s a problem…But, I think you can ask them to replace the cluster to see if it goes away. They won’t be able to diagnose the actual problem because it happens intermittently. I bet there’s some issue between manufacturer and dealer that says if they just pull a part and replace it and haven’t proved it’s beyond certainty that it’s at fault, the dealer ends up footing the bill on the parts. An instrument cluster runs probably around $500-$600, so I’m willing to bet the dealer doesn’t want to cough up that dough in case it turns out to be something else…. (Not a ford thing…It happens actually at a honda/acura dealer too..)…

[Rt.66]

[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]

What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?

That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.

You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?

Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?

Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”

You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.

We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.

[Rt.66]

[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]

What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?

That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.

You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?

Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?

Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”

You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.

We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.

[Rt.66]

[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]

What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?

That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.

You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?

Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?

Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”

You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.

We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.

[Rt.66]

[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]

What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?

That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.

You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?

Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?

Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”

You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.

We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.

[Rt.66]

[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]

What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?

That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.

You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?

Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?

Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”

You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.

We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.

[peterb]

There’s all kinds of protectionism going on, and there has been for many, many decades. Unions like the UAW or the AMA are mostly internal to our system whereas industries like auto or consumer electronics need protection from mostly external competition. But make no mistake, it’s all protectionism.

The main problem with competition from outside our borders is that they have very different rules and regulations as well as living stadards,etc… Thus the competitive advantages of using a highly exploited work force are very great over a unionized work force. As well as lack of environmental laws, taxes , etc…
Free trade is really more of a theory than something any country practices.

[peterb]

There’s all kinds of protectionism going on, and there has been for many, many decades. Unions like the UAW or the AMA are mostly internal to our system whereas industries like auto or consumer electronics need protection from mostly external competition. But make no mistake, it’s all protectionism.

The main problem with competition from outside our borders is that they have very different rules and regulations as well as living stadards,etc… Thus the competitive advantages of using a highly exploited work force are very great over a unionized work force. As well as lack of environmental laws, taxes , etc…
Free trade is really more of a theory than something any country practices.

[peterb]

There’s all kinds of protectionism going on, and there has been for many, many decades. Unions like the UAW or the AMA are mostly internal to our system whereas industries like auto or consumer electronics need protection from mostly external competition. But make no mistake, it’s all protectionism.

The main problem with competition from outside our borders is that they have very different rules and regulations as well as living stadards,etc… Thus the competitive advantages of using a highly exploited work force are very great over a unionized work force. As well as lack of environmental laws, taxes , etc…
Free trade is really more of a theory than something any country practices.

[peterb]

There’s all kinds of protectionism going on, and there has been for many, many decades. Unions like the UAW or the AMA are mostly internal to our system whereas industries like auto or consumer electronics need protection from mostly external competition. But make no mistake, it’s all protectionism.

The main problem with competition from outside our borders is that they have very different rules and regulations as well as living stadards,etc… Thus the competitive advantages of using a highly exploited work force are very great over a unionized work force. As well as lack of environmental laws, taxes , etc…
Free trade is really more of a theory than something any country practices.

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