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January 17, 2011 at 4:24 PM #656085January 17, 2011 at 5:10 PM #654961
Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
According to the article, MERS is NOT the beneficiary under the deed of trust. Which makes sense. I believe in most states, the beneficiary of a TD and the note owner must be the same party. And MERS has pretty consistently argued that they have no ownership interests in the notes or TD’s.[/quote]MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.
So the trick is that the noteholder does not have to be notified because he’s not recorded directly on the deed, and MERS does not have to be notified because it does not have an ownership interest.
What’s wrong with this picture?
[quote]Yes, it is a legal trick, but I think it is a clever one.[/quote]
I agree. The validity of the trick would depend on wording of the law in each state. In California specifically, it would seem to me that CCP 764.045(b) would prevent the court from voiding the mortgage under this approach.
And since this is all about notice rather than validity of the mortgage itself, either the lienholder, or MERS as its agent, can still appeal and get the mortgage reinstated.
January 17, 2011 at 5:10 PM #655024Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
According to the article, MERS is NOT the beneficiary under the deed of trust. Which makes sense. I believe in most states, the beneficiary of a TD and the note owner must be the same party. And MERS has pretty consistently argued that they have no ownership interests in the notes or TD’s.[/quote]MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.
So the trick is that the noteholder does not have to be notified because he’s not recorded directly on the deed, and MERS does not have to be notified because it does not have an ownership interest.
What’s wrong with this picture?
[quote]Yes, it is a legal trick, but I think it is a clever one.[/quote]
I agree. The validity of the trick would depend on wording of the law in each state. In California specifically, it would seem to me that CCP 764.045(b) would prevent the court from voiding the mortgage under this approach.
And since this is all about notice rather than validity of the mortgage itself, either the lienholder, or MERS as its agent, can still appeal and get the mortgage reinstated.
January 17, 2011 at 5:10 PM #655621Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
According to the article, MERS is NOT the beneficiary under the deed of trust. Which makes sense. I believe in most states, the beneficiary of a TD and the note owner must be the same party. And MERS has pretty consistently argued that they have no ownership interests in the notes or TD’s.[/quote]MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.
So the trick is that the noteholder does not have to be notified because he’s not recorded directly on the deed, and MERS does not have to be notified because it does not have an ownership interest.
What’s wrong with this picture?
[quote]Yes, it is a legal trick, but I think it is a clever one.[/quote]
I agree. The validity of the trick would depend on wording of the law in each state. In California specifically, it would seem to me that CCP 764.045(b) would prevent the court from voiding the mortgage under this approach.
And since this is all about notice rather than validity of the mortgage itself, either the lienholder, or MERS as its agent, can still appeal and get the mortgage reinstated.
January 17, 2011 at 5:10 PM #655760Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
According to the article, MERS is NOT the beneficiary under the deed of trust. Which makes sense. I believe in most states, the beneficiary of a TD and the note owner must be the same party. And MERS has pretty consistently argued that they have no ownership interests in the notes or TD’s.[/quote]MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.
So the trick is that the noteholder does not have to be notified because he’s not recorded directly on the deed, and MERS does not have to be notified because it does not have an ownership interest.
What’s wrong with this picture?
[quote]Yes, it is a legal trick, but I think it is a clever one.[/quote]
I agree. The validity of the trick would depend on wording of the law in each state. In California specifically, it would seem to me that CCP 764.045(b) would prevent the court from voiding the mortgage under this approach.
And since this is all about notice rather than validity of the mortgage itself, either the lienholder, or MERS as its agent, can still appeal and get the mortgage reinstated.
January 17, 2011 at 5:10 PM #656090Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
According to the article, MERS is NOT the beneficiary under the deed of trust. Which makes sense. I believe in most states, the beneficiary of a TD and the note owner must be the same party. And MERS has pretty consistently argued that they have no ownership interests in the notes or TD’s.[/quote]MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.
So the trick is that the noteholder does not have to be notified because he’s not recorded directly on the deed, and MERS does not have to be notified because it does not have an ownership interest.
What’s wrong with this picture?
[quote]Yes, it is a legal trick, but I think it is a clever one.[/quote]
I agree. The validity of the trick would depend on wording of the law in each state. In California specifically, it would seem to me that CCP 764.045(b) would prevent the court from voiding the mortgage under this approach.
And since this is all about notice rather than validity of the mortgage itself, either the lienholder, or MERS as its agent, can still appeal and get the mortgage reinstated.
January 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM #654981SK in CV
Participant[quote=Eugene]
MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.[/quote]
I’ve seen that “nominee” designation in quite a few cases. And I’ve seen some court decisions that refuse to acknowledge that the “nominee” has any standing to prosecute a foreclosure. But this isn’t that kind of standing case. I can’t find any actual pleadings posted anywhere on these particular cases which refer to the actual recorded documents. But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”. I’m not sure what that means. Trustee? (I don’t think so.) Trustor? Maybe. But apparently in these recorded documents, not the beneficiary.
January 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM #655044SK in CV
Participant[quote=Eugene]
MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.[/quote]
I’ve seen that “nominee” designation in quite a few cases. And I’ve seen some court decisions that refuse to acknowledge that the “nominee” has any standing to prosecute a foreclosure. But this isn’t that kind of standing case. I can’t find any actual pleadings posted anywhere on these particular cases which refer to the actual recorded documents. But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”. I’m not sure what that means. Trustee? (I don’t think so.) Trustor? Maybe. But apparently in these recorded documents, not the beneficiary.
January 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM #655641SK in CV
Participant[quote=Eugene]
MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.[/quote]
I’ve seen that “nominee” designation in quite a few cases. And I’ve seen some court decisions that refuse to acknowledge that the “nominee” has any standing to prosecute a foreclosure. But this isn’t that kind of standing case. I can’t find any actual pleadings posted anywhere on these particular cases which refer to the actual recorded documents. But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”. I’m not sure what that means. Trustee? (I don’t think so.) Trustor? Maybe. But apparently in these recorded documents, not the beneficiary.
January 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM #655780SK in CV
Participant[quote=Eugene]
MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.[/quote]
I’ve seen that “nominee” designation in quite a few cases. And I’ve seen some court decisions that refuse to acknowledge that the “nominee” has any standing to prosecute a foreclosure. But this isn’t that kind of standing case. I can’t find any actual pleadings posted anywhere on these particular cases which refer to the actual recorded documents. But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”. I’m not sure what that means. Trustee? (I don’t think so.) Trustor? Maybe. But apparently in these recorded documents, not the beneficiary.
January 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM #656110SK in CV
Participant[quote=Eugene]
MERS is “a mortgagee of record as nominee” for the real noteholder.[/quote]
I’ve seen that “nominee” designation in quite a few cases. And I’ve seen some court decisions that refuse to acknowledge that the “nominee” has any standing to prosecute a foreclosure. But this isn’t that kind of standing case. I can’t find any actual pleadings posted anywhere on these particular cases which refer to the actual recorded documents. But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”. I’m not sure what that means. Trustee? (I don’t think so.) Trustor? Maybe. But apparently in these recorded documents, not the beneficiary.
January 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM #654986Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV] But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”.[/quote]
Here’s a sample MERS trust deed
http://www.mersinc.org/filedownload.aspx?id=215&table=ProductFile
MERS is explicitly named as one of the beneficiaries.
January 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM #655049Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV] But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”.[/quote]
Here’s a sample MERS trust deed
http://www.mersinc.org/filedownload.aspx?id=215&table=ProductFile
MERS is explicitly named as one of the beneficiaries.
January 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM #655646Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV] But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”.[/quote]
Here’s a sample MERS trust deed
http://www.mersinc.org/filedownload.aspx?id=215&table=ProductFile
MERS is explicitly named as one of the beneficiaries.
January 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM #655785Eugene
Participant[quote=SK in CV] But the article pretty clearly states that in these cases that MERS was not listed as the beneficiary, only that MERS was “another entity listed on the trust deed”.[/quote]
Here’s a sample MERS trust deed
http://www.mersinc.org/filedownload.aspx?id=215&table=ProductFile
MERS is explicitly named as one of the beneficiaries.
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