Ford takes a knee as does Apple-Moving jobs back

[Coronita]

[quote=spdrun]It would be fun to covertly rebadge some American cars at a UAW conclave and place a hidden camera. Magnetic Japanese car badges that fit over Ford or Chebby badges.[/quote]

People would be able to tell the difference just by the shape. It wouldn’t work. Heck, my kid would be able to tell the difference.

Ford’s actually got some pretty good decent cars these days. If they can drop about 200 lbs, I think would pick up a Mustang just for for fun. And you can still get one with 3 pedals. GT350 are all spoken for. Sold out.

[spdrun]

bearishgurl: I think 6-cyl Outbacks used a 5EAT (5-speed electronic) transmission till at least 2014.

[Coronita]

BG, look if you really want to. You could trade your Lexus in, and buy a reliable Ford. Think about all the parts/service and american jobs you would be helping if you did that.

Lexus parts for the most part are all foreign, and that won’t change. (Well, unless you get cheap knock-off parts that aren’t OEM quality, and then you’re talking about parts from Mexico).

Choices you make affect the very people that you are trying to “help”, used or new. If you really want to help (which it sounds like you do), then you should put the effort in to help american workers.

When you’ve reached that point, then let’s talk about trade tariffs and protectionism, and everything else. Some of which I don’t necessarily disagree with you 100%. But you do no favors by not understanding how businesses work, and how everything it integrated. And you probably won’t until you experience first hand the impact it has on your own wallet.

[bearishgurl]

I love the 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit (made in Detroit) but am worried about reliability and repairs. The reviews on it aren’t all that consistent. And the 2015 model had the e-shifter design flaw which killed Actor Anton Yelchin back in June. That tiny shifter looks like a PITA. I’d rather have a shifter where I can feel the gear slots if I get an automatic transmission.

Otherwise, that particular vehicle checked all my boxes (and then some), costs $10K + less than a Lexus RX and has a LOT more rubber on it. In addition, it has mfr financing available at 0 percent for 60 months.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=spdrun]bearishgurl: I think 6-cyl Outbacks used a 5EAT (5-speed electronic) transmission till at least 2014.[/quote]Okay, I’ll look into this. Any comments about Suburu’s CVT?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]BG, look if you really want to. You could trade your Lexus in, and buy a reliable Ford. Think about all the parts/service and american jobs you would be helping if you did that.

Lexus parts for the most part are all foreign, and that won’t change. (Well, unless you get cheap knock-off parts that aren’t OEM quality, and then you’re talking about parts from Mexico).

Choices you make affect the very people that you are trying to “help”, used or new. If you really want to help (which it sounds like you do), then you should put the effort in to help american workers.

When you’ve reached that point, then let’s talk about trade tariffs and protectionism, and everything else. Some of which I don’t necessarily disagree with you 100%. But you do no favors by not understanding how businesses work, and how everything it integrated. And you probably won’t until you experience first hand the impact it has on your own wallet.[/quote]I’ve never traded in a vehicle in my life and never will. My car’s only worth ~$2600 on KBB and possibly up to $4400 if I sell it to a private party. I’ve put another thousand into it since early July. It’s not worth trading in (for nothing) when my youngest kid needs a better car. It’s not resaleable on a new or certified-used dealer’s lot. A dealer employee will just buy it for their kid for a song if I trade it in. Why should their kid have it when mine can?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=scaredyclassic] . . . however, i want a lexus.[/quote]There is no substitute for a Lexus, scaredy. If you really want to buy a reasonably-priced one, you will likely need to find a good one which is at least ten years old. They are out there, but you would likely need to pay cash for it. Also, you would need to find a good, fair and reasonable certified Toyota mechanic near you. They aren’t cheap to maintain properly … but worth every penny if you do (and take them on road trips one or more times per year). They are the ultimate dream road-trip vehicle … especially their older (roomier) luxury sedans :=]

[Coronita]

[quote=livinincali][quote=flu]
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.

Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol

Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…[/quote]

Yup. The American consumer and their desire for cheaper not better drove manufacturing and many small businesses out of the country. Bitch about Walmart wages, demand tariffs, and want manufacturing back but will scream bloody murder when those changes lower their purchasing power.[/quote]

The irony is that cheap isn’t necessarily the most cost effective. Sometimes if you pay a lot more for a betterade part, it lasts much longer. And given how expensive labor costs are these days, you don’t want to ever have to do things twice.

But I am curious if indeed, price were to rise 20-30%, say in auto parts and repairs how many people will sing a different tune? I can withstand a 20-30% price increase. What about others?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]i will pay 25 percent more for usa made reproduction of vintage american clothing than japanese made reproductions of american clothing.

however, i want a lexus.[/quote]

Scaredy, your shopping habits are so liberal elitist.

[spdrun]

[quote=bearishgurl]Okay, I’ll look into this. Any comments about Suburu’s CVT?[/quote]

No idea — the CVT/H6 combo has only been around for two years, so its reliability is unknown to basically anyone.

[Coronita]

[quote=spdrun][quote=bearishgurl]Okay, I’ll look into this. Any comments about Suburu’s CVT?[/quote]

No idea — the CVT/H6 combo has only been around for two years, so its reliability is unknown to basically anyone.[/quote]

CVT when it breaks is incredibly expensive to repair. Plus used scubbies are usually a bad idea because people beat the shit out of them.

But..Lol. You are not listening. Subaru is also has close to 0% u.s. parts content and made with no u.s. labor.
Used Ford edges and Ford escapes depreciate like crazy and cost about the same of not less than used scubbies.

What is wrong with Ford BG?

[spdrun]

^^^

That’s incorrect. My family has owned multiple used Subies, bought below 100,000 miles. All have gone into the high 100,000 to 200,000 mile range before resale.

The pre-2014 cars had the 5-speed auto gearbox with the H6, not the CVT.

Why is there any obligation to buy a car made of US parts, BTW?

[Coronita]

[quote=spdrun]^^^

That’s incorrect. My family has owned multiple used Subies, bought below 100,000 miles. All have gone into the high 100,000 to 200,000 mile range before resale.

The pre-2014 cars had the 5-speed auto gearbox with the H6, not the CVT.

Why is there any obligation to buy a car made of US parts, BTW?[/quote]

Because that’s what some of the people who complain about american manufacturing job losses should be doing, if they really really cared as much as they say they do. You don’t care, so it doesn’t apply to you.

if you don’t get something with CVT, you should be ok.

[Ribbles]

[quote=bearishgurl]Can any Pigg here comment authoritatively on Subaru’s CVT (reliability, being “overtaxed” on hilly mountain roads daily, etc).[/quote]

The CVT is an abomination. Really awful to drive even for a CVT (from personal experience). I can’t comment on their reliability, but I believe they’re sealed, which means big bucks for repairs.

A few other things I know about Subaru:

1) Excellent AWD system. Would much sooner buy a Subaru for snow than a system set up to be FWD most of the time.
2) Great resale value, for no apparent reason. Other Japanese brands in the same price bracket (when new) are consistently better reviewed and usually more reliable, but half a dozen years later will appraise at 20-30% less.
3) Cheap interiors, up until the redesign of the 2017 Impreza, which is a big improvement.

BTW, a modern turbo four with a twin-scroll will have a more useful torque curve than any 3.x liter naturally aspirated 6. It will be lighter, more fuel-efficient, and lose less power at high altitudes.

[Coronita]

[quote=Ribbles][quote=bearishgurl]Can any Pigg here comment authoritatively on Subaru’s CVT (reliability, being “overtaxed” on hilly mountain roads daily, etc).[/quote]

The CVT is an abomination. Really awful to drive even for a CVT (from personal experience). I can’t comment on their reliability, but I believe they’re sealed, which means big bucks for repairs.

[/quote]

Lol… I remember when Audi first introduced these on the Front Trac car, and I was like WTF when I got one as a rental… Audi since then ditched CVT awhile ago.

Then nissan decided to put them into a lot of their vehicles…Ask former nissan CVT owner how they felt about it and how much it costs. Then again, nissan upped the warranty on theirs to 10 years/120k miles

Hint it’s somewhere between a normal automatic and a dual clutch transmission

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