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August 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM #20742August 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM #764584spdrunParticipant
Good. If it exerts some downward pressure on prices, I won’t be weeping bitter tears of disappointment ๐
August 19, 2013 at 12:00 PM #764587bearishgurlParticipantThe next thing the FHA should do is LOWER their LOAN LIMITS in many counties of the USA where they are set too high for the type of borrower the FHA services! They SHOULD HAVE already done so.
$697K in San Diego County is WAY TOO HIGH of a loan limit for a typical buyer who avails themselves of FHA financing. That is a joke, folks and the joke is on us.
I’ve posted here on numerous occasions that the FHA 203(b) program was originally formed to give low and moderate-income buyers (vast majority FTB’s) a “leg-up” into homeownership. Not a “luxury” home but a roof over their heads. That is all.
It wasn’t in any way, shape or form invented to assist buyers in the purchase of “move-up” or “luxury” properties or in “move-up” or “luxury” areas.
In SD County, the FHA loan limit should not exceed $300K. This would enable a typical FHA buyer putting 3.5% down to buy a home costing $310,500 … in other words … a “starter home.”
The 203(b) loan limits for 2-4 units are also way too high for SD County:
https://entp.hud.gov/idapp/html/hicost1.cfm
The new MIP’s are as they should be. The program is backed by taxpayers and $300K is more than enough risk to take on as no matter how high the MIP deposits and premiums rise, they will NEVER BE ENOUGH to cover the level of FHA defaults inherent in the type of borrower attracted to it (read: has VERY little downpayment saved up).
August 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM #764588bearishgurlParticipant[quote=HLS] … FHA has increased premiums five times over the past two years and according to the FHA commissioner โwe are clearly at a tipping point here,If we increase them more, we would actually shut out additional homebuyers,โ[/quote]
LOL …
Why does anyone care if “additional (borderline or below borderline?) homebuyers” are “shut out?” If they can’t afford the monthly payment with FHA MIP added on, then they are trying to buy too much home … period. They’re not putting more than 3.5% of their OWN money down so what do they expect?
August 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM #764592HLSParticipantBG,
it is all part of the ‘entitlement’ culture and the short term views that most people have.
No sacrifice! The word austerity is not in their vocabulary….“most Americans are only focused on the short-term because the mainstream media is only focused on the short-term. Things are good this week and things were good last week, so there is nothing to worry about, right”?
Many articles have been written that have interesting perspectives, but most people either want to dismiss them as nonsense or just ignore that they exist.
2. http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/why-is-the-world-economy-doomed-the-global-financial-pyramid-scheme-by-the-numbers
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Ignorance is bliss.August 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM #764593The-ShovelerParticipantI donโt really think much has changed with the entitlement mentality (well for the last 50 years anyway), the only real change is inflation used to have borrowers back to a certain degree. What I remember being told when I was looking for my first house “buy as much house as you could possibly afford, your wages will grow into it”.
The current low wage inflation since 1990 or so is very strange.
August 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM #764594spdrunParticipantWhat’s wrong with “buy the cheapest house that suits your needs and when your wages go up, take some nice vacations, go for extra university courses, or spend it on the arts?”
August 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM #764595The-ShovelerParticipantkind of un-american, Just kidding sort of.
August 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM #764596livinincaliParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler]I donโt really think much has changed with the entitlement mentality (well for the last 50 years anyway), the only real change is inflation used to have borrowers back to a certain degree. What I remember being told when I was looking for my first house “buy as much house as you could possibly afford, your wages will grow into it”.
The current low wage inflation since 1990 or so is very strange.[/quote]
No. What had borrowers back is the steady decline in interest rates for the past 30 years. You could increase your total debt load for the same monthly payment as rates declined. You didn’t need income growth to increase your total debt load you just needed the decline in interest rates. Everybody that is levered up and plans on re-rolling debt is going to be screwed in the future.
This is the reason why higher than average inflation isn’t a way out. Nobody lends at a loss so higher than average inflation will push short terms rates higher than inflation and most won’t be able to afford the significantly higher monthly payments when they have to roll over the debt. Those that hold 30 year MBS written now are screwed. Of course it’s probably CalPRES and other public sector employee pension funds holding most of that junk but they don’t care because they expect to get bailed out.
August 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM #764597The-ShovelerParticipantYou obviously were not of working age during the 70’s and 80’s
or 60’s LOL.I remember getting 30% raises almost every year.
August 19, 2013 at 2:11 PM #764598livinincaliParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler]You obviously were not of working age during the 70’s and 80’s
or 60’s LOL.I remember getting 30% raises almost every year.[/quote]
Oh really. Let’s see how that compounds.
1960 you make minimum wage of $1.00 per hour. Let’s assume 2000 hours worked for $2000 a year. What does 30% raises every year for 20 years do. In 1970 you’re making $27,571 per year. In 1980 you’re making $380K. I really believe it. I’m guessing you got a 30% raise probably 1 once or twice in your first couple years of working. After that, eh not so much huh. Because if you did by 1990 you’d be making $5+ million per year.
1960 $2,000
1961 $2,600
1962 $3,380
1963 $4,394
1964 $5,712
1965 $7,426
1966 $9,654
1967 $12,550
1968 $16,315
1969 $21,209
1970 $27,572
1971 $35,843
1972 $46,596
1973 $60,575
1974 $78,748
1975 $102,372
1976 $133,083
1977 $173,008
1978 $224,911
1979 $292,384
1980 $380,099
1981 $494,129
1982 $642,368
1983 $835,078
1984 $1,085,602
1985 $1,411,282
1986 $1,834,667
1987 $2,385,067
1988 $3,100,587
1989 $4,030,763
1990 $5,239,991Nice try though. Math >>>>> I remember 30-50 years ago.
August 19, 2013 at 2:26 PM #764599The-ShovelerParticipantWell it was not every year but there were quite a few because you were getting promotions as well as cost of living raises (based on the cost to BUY a house by the way).
My wages easily doubled every 5 years from 1973 to 1990. My first new car in 1976 was worth about what I paid for when I paid it off in 1979.
You would have had to be there but putting money in the bank was not the best choice in those days, investing in hard assets was.
Dang I have to check again, but I think more like tripled every 5 years.
August 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM #764600allParticipant[quote=spdrun]What’s wrong with “buy the cheapest house that suits your needs and when your wages go up, take some nice vacations, go for extra university courses, or spend it on the arts?”[/quote]
In many cases the needs grow as you grow. I remember sharing 1/1 with a roommate, no dishwasher and a sink that can hold 4 plates and enjoying it. Going on a trip from Bari to London with $50 in my pocket and no credit card. It is slightly less enjoyable with 3 kids in tow. In general kids change perspective. Especially if they are yours.
August 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM #764601spdrunParticipant“Needs” can include future needs. If you’re planning on kids in the next 5-10 years, go for a 3/1 or 3/2, IF you can afford it comfortably with your current income. If you can’t, how the hell are you going to afford kids in the first place? ๐
This being said, I’m going for the Big Snip(tm) after my first kid. I want a kid eventually, but not a brood. It’s not 1912 where a lot of kids die of childhood diseases, and Gaia is suffering under the strain of overpopulation as it is!
And it’s not impossible to travel on a budget with kids; you just need to be creative. (My family did that in the 90s; it wasn’t really hard if you liked small hotel rooms, apartment shares, and camping ๐ )
August 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM #764604allParticipant[quote=spdrun]”Needs” can include future needs. If you’re planning on kids in the next 5-10 years, go for a 3/1 or 3/2, IF you can afford it comfortably with your current income. If you can’t, how the hell are you going to afford kids in the first place? ๐
[/quote]I lived with my parents and grandparents for few years in a farm house that had no running water (consequently no washer) until about a year after I was born. I know first hand that a family of N can survive in a small house with no traditional bathroom.
To this day I get sentimental when I sense grass blades on my tushy, but most of the time I prefer my current 0.8 baths per capita living arrangement.
Also, your one offspring won’t be enough to sustain the human race, so I’m simply offsetting your lack of commitment to the needs of the specie.
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