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June 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM #562912June 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM #561947northparkbuyerParticipant
NOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.
June 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM #562044northparkbuyerParticipantNOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.
June 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM #562541northparkbuyerParticipantNOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.
June 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM #562649northparkbuyerParticipantNOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.
June 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM #562937northparkbuyerParticipantNOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.
June 10, 2010 at 12:51 PM #561977bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]bearishgurl, I missed your last question in my reply. According to the Web site, the opening bid was $460K.
I am fairly certain there was no second lien on the property, just a first for about $410K through BofA, $27K of which was paid back. All rough numbers.[/quote]
northparkbuyer, this means that the decedent would have only owed $383K today had the payments been kept up. Instead $460K was owing (including late charges and trustees fees). That is $50K higher than the original loan and $77K higher than what should have been remaining on the loan today had payments been kept up. This is a LOT MORE $$ than what would be owing if the payments had been FIRST discontinued AFTER the death.
My gut feeling is that the decedent took out this new loan of $460K between 2004 and 2007 (RE “bubble”), either by purchasing the property during the “bubble” or refinancing “cash-out” (I’m guessing the latter). There is NO WAY she could recover enough monthly rent from her daughter to keep up payments on a $460K loan, esp. if it was a sub-prime “NINA loan” (due to her not having the income to support it). Based on the info you posted, I believe it has been 2+ years since any payments have been made on the property.
$460K may be more than the property is worth today. In any case, I predict if the lender recovers the property after the trustees sale they will evict the tenant and market it to recoup as much of their losses as they can.
June 10, 2010 at 12:51 PM #562074bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]bearishgurl, I missed your last question in my reply. According to the Web site, the opening bid was $460K.
I am fairly certain there was no second lien on the property, just a first for about $410K through BofA, $27K of which was paid back. All rough numbers.[/quote]
northparkbuyer, this means that the decedent would have only owed $383K today had the payments been kept up. Instead $460K was owing (including late charges and trustees fees). That is $50K higher than the original loan and $77K higher than what should have been remaining on the loan today had payments been kept up. This is a LOT MORE $$ than what would be owing if the payments had been FIRST discontinued AFTER the death.
My gut feeling is that the decedent took out this new loan of $460K between 2004 and 2007 (RE “bubble”), either by purchasing the property during the “bubble” or refinancing “cash-out” (I’m guessing the latter). There is NO WAY she could recover enough monthly rent from her daughter to keep up payments on a $460K loan, esp. if it was a sub-prime “NINA loan” (due to her not having the income to support it). Based on the info you posted, I believe it has been 2+ years since any payments have been made on the property.
$460K may be more than the property is worth today. In any case, I predict if the lender recovers the property after the trustees sale they will evict the tenant and market it to recoup as much of their losses as they can.
June 10, 2010 at 12:51 PM #562572bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]bearishgurl, I missed your last question in my reply. According to the Web site, the opening bid was $460K.
I am fairly certain there was no second lien on the property, just a first for about $410K through BofA, $27K of which was paid back. All rough numbers.[/quote]
northparkbuyer, this means that the decedent would have only owed $383K today had the payments been kept up. Instead $460K was owing (including late charges and trustees fees). That is $50K higher than the original loan and $77K higher than what should have been remaining on the loan today had payments been kept up. This is a LOT MORE $$ than what would be owing if the payments had been FIRST discontinued AFTER the death.
My gut feeling is that the decedent took out this new loan of $460K between 2004 and 2007 (RE “bubble”), either by purchasing the property during the “bubble” or refinancing “cash-out” (I’m guessing the latter). There is NO WAY she could recover enough monthly rent from her daughter to keep up payments on a $460K loan, esp. if it was a sub-prime “NINA loan” (due to her not having the income to support it). Based on the info you posted, I believe it has been 2+ years since any payments have been made on the property.
$460K may be more than the property is worth today. In any case, I predict if the lender recovers the property after the trustees sale they will evict the tenant and market it to recoup as much of their losses as they can.
June 10, 2010 at 12:51 PM #562680bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]bearishgurl, I missed your last question in my reply. According to the Web site, the opening bid was $460K.
I am fairly certain there was no second lien on the property, just a first for about $410K through BofA, $27K of which was paid back. All rough numbers.[/quote]
northparkbuyer, this means that the decedent would have only owed $383K today had the payments been kept up. Instead $460K was owing (including late charges and trustees fees). That is $50K higher than the original loan and $77K higher than what should have been remaining on the loan today had payments been kept up. This is a LOT MORE $$ than what would be owing if the payments had been FIRST discontinued AFTER the death.
My gut feeling is that the decedent took out this new loan of $460K between 2004 and 2007 (RE “bubble”), either by purchasing the property during the “bubble” or refinancing “cash-out” (I’m guessing the latter). There is NO WAY she could recover enough monthly rent from her daughter to keep up payments on a $460K loan, esp. if it was a sub-prime “NINA loan” (due to her not having the income to support it). Based on the info you posted, I believe it has been 2+ years since any payments have been made on the property.
$460K may be more than the property is worth today. In any case, I predict if the lender recovers the property after the trustees sale they will evict the tenant and market it to recoup as much of their losses as they can.
June 10, 2010 at 12:51 PM #562967bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]bearishgurl, I missed your last question in my reply. According to the Web site, the opening bid was $460K.
I am fairly certain there was no second lien on the property, just a first for about $410K through BofA, $27K of which was paid back. All rough numbers.[/quote]
northparkbuyer, this means that the decedent would have only owed $383K today had the payments been kept up. Instead $460K was owing (including late charges and trustees fees). That is $50K higher than the original loan and $77K higher than what should have been remaining on the loan today had payments been kept up. This is a LOT MORE $$ than what would be owing if the payments had been FIRST discontinued AFTER the death.
My gut feeling is that the decedent took out this new loan of $460K between 2004 and 2007 (RE “bubble”), either by purchasing the property during the “bubble” or refinancing “cash-out” (I’m guessing the latter). There is NO WAY she could recover enough monthly rent from her daughter to keep up payments on a $460K loan, esp. if it was a sub-prime “NINA loan” (due to her not having the income to support it). Based on the info you posted, I believe it has been 2+ years since any payments have been made on the property.
$460K may be more than the property is worth today. In any case, I predict if the lender recovers the property after the trustees sale they will evict the tenant and market it to recoup as much of their losses as they can.
June 10, 2010 at 1:18 PM #562002bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]NOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.[/quote]
If NOS was dated 12/31/09, then that $439K reflects ONLY the payments, late charges and trustees fees due at that time. Since then, these items have increased by $21K, to $460K, or thereabouts, thus, the opening bid on the steps.
Why do you think there is/was equity in the property before the trustees sale?? Have you examined the title for any creditors claims, judgment liens, government liens or tax liens or taxes due on the property?
Does the property have a large lot, over 2200 sf, a permitted “granny-flat” or have historical significance?
$439K or $460K sounds like a large loan to me for North Park unless the property is large and/or has a Mills Act contract on it.
June 10, 2010 at 1:18 PM #562098bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]NOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.[/quote]
If NOS was dated 12/31/09, then that $439K reflects ONLY the payments, late charges and trustees fees due at that time. Since then, these items have increased by $21K, to $460K, or thereabouts, thus, the opening bid on the steps.
Why do you think there is/was equity in the property before the trustees sale?? Have you examined the title for any creditors claims, judgment liens, government liens or tax liens or taxes due on the property?
Does the property have a large lot, over 2200 sf, a permitted “granny-flat” or have historical significance?
$439K or $460K sounds like a large loan to me for North Park unless the property is large and/or has a Mills Act contract on it.
June 10, 2010 at 1:18 PM #562597bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]NOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.[/quote]
If NOS was dated 12/31/09, then that $439K reflects ONLY the payments, late charges and trustees fees due at that time. Since then, these items have increased by $21K, to $460K, or thereabouts, thus, the opening bid on the steps.
Why do you think there is/was equity in the property before the trustees sale?? Have you examined the title for any creditors claims, judgment liens, government liens or tax liens or taxes due on the property?
Does the property have a large lot, over 2200 sf, a permitted “granny-flat” or have historical significance?
$439K or $460K sounds like a large loan to me for North Park unless the property is large and/or has a Mills Act contract on it.
June 10, 2010 at 1:18 PM #562705bearishgurlParticipant[quote=northparkbuyer]NOTS was dated 12/31/09, original sale date was 1/25/10, and it was delayed several times. NOTS was indeed in the name of the decedent.
Balance on the note was $439K as of the NOTS, so there was some equity there.
It is a very curious situation and I appreciate the knowledgeable insights.[/quote]
If NOS was dated 12/31/09, then that $439K reflects ONLY the payments, late charges and trustees fees due at that time. Since then, these items have increased by $21K, to $460K, or thereabouts, thus, the opening bid on the steps.
Why do you think there is/was equity in the property before the trustees sale?? Have you examined the title for any creditors claims, judgment liens, government liens or tax liens or taxes due on the property?
Does the property have a large lot, over 2200 sf, a permitted “granny-flat” or have historical significance?
$439K or $460K sounds like a large loan to me for North Park unless the property is large and/or has a Mills Act contract on it.
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