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November 10, 2016 at 9:02 PM #803502November 11, 2016 at 12:46 AM #803519
givdrvr
ParticipantElectoral College workaround already underway. Eliminating the Electoral College does not even require a constitutional amendment. An effort known as The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is an agreement among numerous U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their respective electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in those states. Once states totaling 270 electoral votes join the compact–which only requires passing state laws– then the next presidential election will be determined the the popular vote, not the Electoral College.
As of November 9, 2016, ten states and the District of Columbia have signed the compact, totaling 165 electoral votes. So, we are already over 60% of the way there. Pending in PA and WI for another 36 EC votes if adopted by those states.
November 11, 2016 at 12:53 AM #803521ParticipantAnother interesting movement to get Electoral College Electors to abandon their state mandate and vote for Hillary Clinton.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/500-000-people-sign-petition-203109567.html
November 11, 2016 at 2:10 AM #803522ucodegen
Participant[quote=givdrvr]Another interesting movement to get Electoral College Electors to abandon their state mandate and vote for Hillary Clinton.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/500-000-people-sign-petition-203109567.html%5B/quote%5D
Start position is with respect to Trump. A lot more on the total video about Hillary – on the entire video. Are you sure you want the nation to go down this path? At which point, if the Electoral College decides to vote different than ‘assigned’, how long do you think the Electoral College will last? How could you trust the Electoral College in the future – particularly if ‘your choice’ has not been selected.
PS: Rich T., I think the server for Piggington.com is missing a patch relative to Daylight Savings time. It is not switching at the correct times.
November 11, 2016 at 6:33 AM #803524ocrenter
Participant[quote=givdrvr]Electoral College workaround already underway. Eliminating the Electoral College does not even require a constitutional amendment. An effort known as The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is an agreement among numerous U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their respective electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in those states. Once states totaling 270 electoral votes join the compact–which only requires passing state laws– then the next presidential election will be determined the the popular vote, not the Electoral College.
As of November 9, 2016, ten states and the District of Columbia have signed the compact, totaling 165 electoral votes. So, we are already over 60% of the way there. Pending in PA and WI for another 36 EC votes if adopted by those states.[/quote]
problem is the states that are typically on the wrong end of the disenfranchisement already signed. The states that relish their out sized role in the limelight would sign this stuff over their dead bodies. and the states that are advantaged by the present system that gave them two presidents who lost the popular vote are ecstatic about the electoral college.
that is why I said what I said at the beginning. forcing change requires teeth. and the teeth is the threat of secession and breaking up the union until we get equal representation.
November 11, 2016 at 6:47 AM #803525no_such_reality
ParticipantWhich side is the cultural revolution?
November 11, 2016 at 7:24 AM #803526bearishgurl
ParticipantIt appears that AZ’s vote count is now complete. As of this morning, its 11 electoral votes went to Trump (SK, are you out there?). He now has a total of 290 versus Clinton’s 228. Michigan’s vote count is still being finalized and that state is worth an additional 16 electoral votes (presumably going to Trump).
CA still has millions of (absentee) votes to count but they are essentially moot. Clinton clearly took CA’s 55 electoral votes.
I was surprised that Trump took UT. I was certain that Evan McMullin would take it.
November 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM #803542livinincali
Participant[quote=givdrvr]Another interesting movement to get Electoral College Electors to abandon their state mandate and vote for Hillary Clinton.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/500-000-people-sign-petition-203109567.html%5B/quote%5D
I understand people are very upset that Trump won the election but I really despise a backdoor attempt to override the election results based on the rules that everyone knew before the election was held. Hillary’s path to the presidency was simple. Get out the Black, Hispanic and Millennial vote like Obama did, but she failed.
I don’t have a problem with people wanting to change the electoral college for future elections. I think the electoral college system is ok, but I don’t have a big problem with changing presidential elections to the popular vote. I would probably want to limit some of the things that have been done by executive order the past couple of presidencies if we made that kind of change though. I feel like the executive power is getting stronger and if it continues to grow I don’t know that I can be comfortable with checks and balances in congress to give adequate representation.
November 12, 2016 at 8:45 AM #803568ParticipantNearly 5M votes remain to be counted in CA PLUS 595,000 in SD County. It is possible that it is taking so long to count them …. especially in SD County because these are all signed mail ballots of voters purporting to be citizens and residents who may not actually be. See:
Even though my precinct (and the surrounding similarly-situated ones in 91910 and 91902 that I checked) appear to have 1/3 R, 1/3 D and 1/3 I voter registrants (give or take 5 points), the precincts in LA County and the populous bay area counties are overwhelmingly Democrat. Regardless of what shenanigans are discovered among CA’s mail-in and “provisional” ballots (a big RED FLAG) in the precincts around here, I do believe HRC has taken the Golden State.
As far as I know, CA’s most populous counties scrubbed their decedent voter rolls in September of this year so this shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
November 13, 2016 at 5:44 AM #803583Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Nearly 5M votes remain to be counted in CA PLUS 595,000 in SD County. It is possible that it is taking so long to count them …. especially in SD County because these are all signed mail ballots of voters purporting to be citizens and residents who may not actually be. See:
Even though my precinct (and the surrounding similarly-situated ones in 91910 and 91902 that I checked) appear to have 1/3 R, 1/3 D and 1/3 I voter registrants (give or take 5 points), the precincts in LA County and the populous bay area counties are overwhelmingly Democrat. Regardless of what shenanigans are discovered among CA’s mail-in and “provisional” ballots (a big RED FLAG) in the precincts around here, I do believe HRC has taken the Golden State.
As far as I know, CA’s most populous counties scrubbed their decedent voter rolls in September of this year so this shouldn’t be too much of a problem.[/quote]
What you are saying here is someone launched a sophisticated wide spread voter fraud program in a state where the vote is only worth 1/3 compared to small Great Plains states. In a state where you said yourself millions of votes are moot due to the electoral college.
Of course you also stated in an earlier post that Tyson Foods got workers from a developed country at the forefront of IT and tech with a higher % of college graduate workforce than the US, flew them and their families to Arkansas and got them to process chicken.
November 13, 2016 at 7:22 AM #803584an
ParticipantLoL
November 13, 2016 at 1:50 PM #803597Anonymous
GuestCute picture, even though it’s full of shit.
America didn’t become the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth through a cycle of failure.
The net outcome of all our leadership over two centuries has been resounding success.
November 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM #803600Participant.
November 13, 2016 at 3:21 PM #803606Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=bearishgurl]Nearly 5M votes remain to be counted in CA PLUS 595,000 in SD County. It is possible that it is taking so long to count them …. especially in SD County because these are all signed mail ballots of voters purporting to be citizens and residents who may not actually be. See:
Even though my precinct (and the surrounding similarly-situated ones in 91910 and 91902 that I checked) appear to have 1/3 R, 1/3 D and 1/3 I voter registrants (give or take 5 points), the precincts in LA County and the populous bay area counties are overwhelmingly Democrat. Regardless of what shenanigans are discovered among CA’s mail-in and “provisional” ballots (a big RED FLAG) in the precincts around here, I do believe HRC has taken the Golden State.
As far as I know, CA’s most populous counties scrubbed their decedent voter rolls in September of this year so this shouldn’t be too much of a problem.[/quote]
What you are saying here is someone launched a sophisticated wide spread voter fraud program in a state where the vote is only worth 1/3 compared to small Great Plains states. In a state where you said yourself millions of votes are moot due to the electoral college.[/quote]I didn’t say “someone” did anything. I said the Clinton Campaign made 70+ stops in semi-rural and rural CA (primarily agricultural towns and outside farms in CA’s agricultural counties) and including a few cities such as Chula Vista, El Centro, Brawley, Riverside, San Bernardino, Bakersfield, Visalia, Fresno, Merced, Stockton, Lodi, and certain East LA County cities during the primary season. At each stop, they conducted a “Tabling Event,” either partially or wholly conducted in Spanish where they attempted to register to vote anyone who had a valid CA Driver License (well knowing that illegal immigrants had over a full year to legally obtain one), regardless if Voter Registration applicants actually had a valid CA address which THEY THEMSELVES rented or purchased.
I took screenshots of her CA campaign list on her website and it was extensive and encompassed nearly 4 months of stops over several times per week.
I posted (two, I believe) academic studies here which stated that approximately 13% of the country’s ~11M illegal immigrants admitted that they voted regularly. Those studies were conducted before the current election cycle. Assuming arguendo that it was only 13% who voted in this country on or before 11/8/16 for the 2016 General Election, that’s at least 1,430,000 who voted (likely 100% for Clinton).
This thread was created to insinuate that Clinton had been cheated out of the presidency because she won the popular vote (currently ~400,000 with millions of votes still left to count). If 1,430,000 votes cast should be thrown out because they were cast by non-citizens (I actually believe this number to be 2-3M higher), then Clinton hasn’t really won the legal US popular vote …. yet. She is still over 1M (legal) votes behind Trump. The Dems have been pandering heavily to the undocumented immigrants in CA ever since they tried to organize them into a union to fight for a higher wages for In-Home Supportive Services (IHSS) duties they were rendering to senior citizens and disabled people (including their own relatives, whom they were already living with and receiving “free” room and board from) and also when they tried mightily to organize all the hospitality housekeeping workers and industrial janitorial workers into SEIU locals (about 1994-1995). I know this because I was there. I myself was a Dem activist and so understand how they operate but I never resorted to the illegal tactics they employ today.
These h@ll-raising groups felt empowered to disrupt (not all illegal …. but mostly) Trump rallies in the likes of Costa Mesa and also tried hard in SD to make a BIG SCENE but our law enforcement was on top of them and contained them to several blocks south of the rally entrance before and during the rally. This group showed up at the SD Convention Center because they were PAID HANDSOMELY by Dem operatives to attempt to disrupt these rallies all over the nation (but raised the most h@ll in CA where Trump couldn’t even come here without local governments being out at least $1M in law enforcement overtime, special forces cost and vandalism they caused just for a 1-2 hour rally). It was disgusting and does not represent longtime Californian’s values, including my own. This was NOT the CA I know. What would happen to us Piggs if we went down to Tijuana (or even Mexico City) and began marching in the streets waving American Flags and shouting obscenities while setting fire to Mexican flags and overturning a police vehicle after stomping on it?? WTF? Why do we have to put up with this??? These people are illegally here! They have no right to even BE here! Why do illegals feel so “empowered” in CA and how did they get this way?? Ask yourself how the Dem’s “Dark Horse Operatives” were able to continually run ads in broad daylight to recruit illegals, the homeless and mentally ill (for PAY) to disrupt Trump’s rallies all over the nation and then “pretend” that they were “attacked” by Trump supporters.
ocrenter, you don’t need to couch your phrases around here by saying, “. . . “`someone’ launched a sophisticated widespread voter fraud . . .” Just like the inability to say the words, “radical Islamic terrorism,” you apparently have the inability to call the Clinton campaign for what it was, which was a systematic (both covert and overt) underground operation run by very experienced operatives in constant collusion with the DNC whose specific goals were to make sure, by hook or crook, that their own party candidate, Bernie Sanders, never got the nomination so that the road was wide open for Clinton to obtain it. During the general election, the Clinton campaign did everything in their power to smear Trump’s reputation by parading a ridiculous assortment of non-credible has-beens to tell tall tales to the public about incidents which supposedly happened 10-35 years ago. In addition, they spent hundreds of millions on defamatory ads against Trump aired all over the nation several times per day. The Clinton campaign had a war chest of over $900M. I don’t know how much of the Dem’s $$ was actually wasted on their deeply flawed presidential candidate, but it had to be most of it. After running her largely negative campaign from the beginning, (when it was negative against Sanders) she didn’t ultimately win the presidency because (1) she had no real message of her own for the American people; and, (2) the Clintons are corrupt, plain and simple. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM
In addition, the Clinton’s “lifestyle,” while legal, doesn’t comport with the majority of America’s values, plain and simple. Being a woman had nothing to do with it. Being HRC had everything to do with it and that “problem” couldn’t be fixed. She brought way too much negative baggage into the mix and America voted with their feet to overthrow the Obama/Clinton legacy (as I posted here in the past that they would). The pollsters (as I previously posted here on at least two occasions) didn’t understand these dynamics. The bottom line is HRC felt that she was “owed” the presidency and ran her campaign accordingly and she (smugly) felt that it was finally “her turn” to be president. The reality, however, is that no one is really owed anything …. especially that which they have no control over.
[quote=ocrenter]Of course you also stated in an earlier post that Tyson Foods got workers from a developed country at the forefront of IT and tech with a higher % of college graduate workforce than the US, flew them and their families to Arkansas and got them to process chicken.[/quote]I reviewed my post in an attempt to understand what you are saying here and realized that I meant Vietnamese workers in AR meat packing plants, NOT Taiwanese. They were NOT flown in. They were already there. They were all hired out of AR and surrounding states after they or their parents were resettled in various US cities as refugees during a 15-year time period from about 1980 to 1995. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_boat_people
Sorry for the error.
November 14, 2016 at 11:41 AM #803644FlyerInHi
GuestThis is for you , BG. Enjoy!
We don’t need the flyover states. All we need are the blue states and the rising new economy cities. We should treat the reds like apartheid South Africa.George Will wrote:
Arizona whites have gone from 74 percent to 54 percent of the population in 25 years; minorities will be a majority there by 2022. Texas minorities became a majority in 2004; whites are now 43 percent of the population. Nevada is 52 percent white and projected to be majority-minority in 2020. Georgia is 54 percent white, heading for majority-minority in 2026. Because of inexorably rising minorities, Clinton, an epically untalented candidate, did better than Obama did in 2012 in Georgia, Texas, Arizona and where 1 in 8 Americans lives — California.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/a-ruinous-triumph-for-the-gop/2016/11/09/18b9e804-a6a3-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html -
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