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November 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM #479350November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM #478534
Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=Aecetia]Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.[/quote]
Aecetia: I was Jesuit educated from kindergarten through 12th grade (including eight wonderful years in a seminary school). I asked one of the priests, Fr. John Bitterman, SJ (PhD in Divinity, law degree from Yale), why the Jesuits ran the best learning institutions in the Church.
He said that the Jesuits, as a former heretical order, learned quickly where the power and money was (the schools and universities) and took them over.
You not only experience academic rigor and critical thinking/analysis, you get a good dose of Machiavellian scheming and Byzantine treachery for good measure, too.
November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM #478703Participant[quote=Aecetia]Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.[/quote]
Aecetia: I was Jesuit educated from kindergarten through 12th grade (including eight wonderful years in a seminary school). I asked one of the priests, Fr. John Bitterman, SJ (PhD in Divinity, law degree from Yale), why the Jesuits ran the best learning institutions in the Church.
He said that the Jesuits, as a former heretical order, learned quickly where the power and money was (the schools and universities) and took them over.
You not only experience academic rigor and critical thinking/analysis, you get a good dose of Machiavellian scheming and Byzantine treachery for good measure, too.
November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM #479068Participant[quote=Aecetia]Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.[/quote]
Aecetia: I was Jesuit educated from kindergarten through 12th grade (including eight wonderful years in a seminary school). I asked one of the priests, Fr. John Bitterman, SJ (PhD in Divinity, law degree from Yale), why the Jesuits ran the best learning institutions in the Church.
He said that the Jesuits, as a former heretical order, learned quickly where the power and money was (the schools and universities) and took them over.
You not only experience academic rigor and critical thinking/analysis, you get a good dose of Machiavellian scheming and Byzantine treachery for good measure, too.
November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM #479148Participant[quote=Aecetia]Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.[/quote]
Aecetia: I was Jesuit educated from kindergarten through 12th grade (including eight wonderful years in a seminary school). I asked one of the priests, Fr. John Bitterman, SJ (PhD in Divinity, law degree from Yale), why the Jesuits ran the best learning institutions in the Church.
He said that the Jesuits, as a former heretical order, learned quickly where the power and money was (the schools and universities) and took them over.
You not only experience academic rigor and critical thinking/analysis, you get a good dose of Machiavellian scheming and Byzantine treachery for good measure, too.
November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM #479368Participant[quote=Aecetia]Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.[/quote]
Aecetia: I was Jesuit educated from kindergarten through 12th grade (including eight wonderful years in a seminary school). I asked one of the priests, Fr. John Bitterman, SJ (PhD in Divinity, law degree from Yale), why the Jesuits ran the best learning institutions in the Church.
He said that the Jesuits, as a former heretical order, learned quickly where the power and money was (the schools and universities) and took them over.
You not only experience academic rigor and critical thinking/analysis, you get a good dose of Machiavellian scheming and Byzantine treachery for good measure, too.
November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM #478539afx114
ParticipantI will let Saint Sagan do the talking:
The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.
If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?….For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.
November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM #478707ParticipantI will let Saint Sagan do the talking:
The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.
If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?….For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.
November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM #479073ParticipantI will let Saint Sagan do the talking:
The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.
If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?….For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.
November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM #479153ParticipantI will let Saint Sagan do the talking:
The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.
If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?….For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.
November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM #479373ParticipantI will let Saint Sagan do the talking:
The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.
If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?….For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.
November 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM #478544ParticipantAfx: Yup, because Science has ALL the answers. Its going to be very interesting to watch further developments in UFT and String Theory and see the inevitable marriage between Science (through quantum mechanics and temporal relastics) and Spirituality.
“Saint” Sagan hosted a hilarious (unintentionally) convocation back in the 1980s, where he was literally humiliated by a pair of astrophysicists who shredded his “delusions” about Time/Space, Special Relativity and the Wheeler Effect.
He was ignorant in his own way and far too prideful to admit in his own biases and prejudices. Spend any time reading about quantum physics and you immediately discern the spiritual element that is present.
November 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM #478712ParticipantAfx: Yup, because Science has ALL the answers. Its going to be very interesting to watch further developments in UFT and String Theory and see the inevitable marriage between Science (through quantum mechanics and temporal relastics) and Spirituality.
“Saint” Sagan hosted a hilarious (unintentionally) convocation back in the 1980s, where he was literally humiliated by a pair of astrophysicists who shredded his “delusions” about Time/Space, Special Relativity and the Wheeler Effect.
He was ignorant in his own way and far too prideful to admit in his own biases and prejudices. Spend any time reading about quantum physics and you immediately discern the spiritual element that is present.
November 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM #479078ParticipantAfx: Yup, because Science has ALL the answers. Its going to be very interesting to watch further developments in UFT and String Theory and see the inevitable marriage between Science (through quantum mechanics and temporal relastics) and Spirituality.
“Saint” Sagan hosted a hilarious (unintentionally) convocation back in the 1980s, where he was literally humiliated by a pair of astrophysicists who shredded his “delusions” about Time/Space, Special Relativity and the Wheeler Effect.
He was ignorant in his own way and far too prideful to admit in his own biases and prejudices. Spend any time reading about quantum physics and you immediately discern the spiritual element that is present.
November 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM #479158ParticipantAfx: Yup, because Science has ALL the answers. Its going to be very interesting to watch further developments in UFT and String Theory and see the inevitable marriage between Science (through quantum mechanics and temporal relastics) and Spirituality.
“Saint” Sagan hosted a hilarious (unintentionally) convocation back in the 1980s, where he was literally humiliated by a pair of astrophysicists who shredded his “delusions” about Time/Space, Special Relativity and the Wheeler Effect.
He was ignorant in his own way and far too prideful to admit in his own biases and prejudices. Spend any time reading about quantum physics and you immediately discern the spiritual element that is present.
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