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January 20, 2010 at 5:44 PM #504878January 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM #503998
CA renter
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]One vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people![/quote]
Unless you’re in the top 1-5% of the wealthiest Americans, you’ll benefit far more from the policies of SEIU-favored politicians than the financial sector favorites.
What I find interesting about the whole Dem/Repub debate is that middle-class people consistently vote against their own best interests.
Let me see…healthcare and living wages for the masses, or tax breaks for corporations and the wealthiest elite. Gee, which one should I choose?
January 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM #504142Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]One vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people![/quote]
Unless you’re in the top 1-5% of the wealthiest Americans, you’ll benefit far more from the policies of SEIU-favored politicians than the financial sector favorites.
What I find interesting about the whole Dem/Repub debate is that middle-class people consistently vote against their own best interests.
Let me see…healthcare and living wages for the masses, or tax breaks for corporations and the wealthiest elite. Gee, which one should I choose?
January 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM #504541Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]One vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people![/quote]
Unless you’re in the top 1-5% of the wealthiest Americans, you’ll benefit far more from the policies of SEIU-favored politicians than the financial sector favorites.
What I find interesting about the whole Dem/Repub debate is that middle-class people consistently vote against their own best interests.
Let me see…healthcare and living wages for the masses, or tax breaks for corporations and the wealthiest elite. Gee, which one should I choose?
January 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM #504633Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]One vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people![/quote]
Unless you’re in the top 1-5% of the wealthiest Americans, you’ll benefit far more from the policies of SEIU-favored politicians than the financial sector favorites.
What I find interesting about the whole Dem/Repub debate is that middle-class people consistently vote against their own best interests.
Let me see…healthcare and living wages for the masses, or tax breaks for corporations and the wealthiest elite. Gee, which one should I choose?
January 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM #504883Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]One vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people![/quote]
Unless you’re in the top 1-5% of the wealthiest Americans, you’ll benefit far more from the policies of SEIU-favored politicians than the financial sector favorites.
What I find interesting about the whole Dem/Repub debate is that middle-class people consistently vote against their own best interests.
Let me see…healthcare and living wages for the masses, or tax breaks for corporations and the wealthiest elite. Gee, which one should I choose?
January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM #504003Anonymous
Guestpp:
I was going to leave, but now I’m not. Having too much fun. Plus Allan likes lawn chairs.
I re-read your post, and I must say I now see your point.
You are right. Everything is now so different. Because of one freshman senator.
Tell me, how many senators/congressmen are there? (I don’t know because I dropped out of college). It doesn’t matter, because I’m sure this new one makes all the difference. Changes everything.
But I’m still waiting for specific ideas. You seem to be evading that simple question — trying to deflect with personal insults.
Tell me. What do we do after both parties “fall off a cliff?” Do you have a plan?
(Asking me to leave does not count as an answer.)Be sure to include numbers in your plan (you are a Pigg, right?)
January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM #504147Guestpp:
I was going to leave, but now I’m not. Having too much fun. Plus Allan likes lawn chairs.
I re-read your post, and I must say I now see your point.
You are right. Everything is now so different. Because of one freshman senator.
Tell me, how many senators/congressmen are there? (I don’t know because I dropped out of college). It doesn’t matter, because I’m sure this new one makes all the difference. Changes everything.
But I’m still waiting for specific ideas. You seem to be evading that simple question — trying to deflect with personal insults.
Tell me. What do we do after both parties “fall off a cliff?” Do you have a plan?
(Asking me to leave does not count as an answer.)Be sure to include numbers in your plan (you are a Pigg, right?)
January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM #504546Guestpp:
I was going to leave, but now I’m not. Having too much fun. Plus Allan likes lawn chairs.
I re-read your post, and I must say I now see your point.
You are right. Everything is now so different. Because of one freshman senator.
Tell me, how many senators/congressmen are there? (I don’t know because I dropped out of college). It doesn’t matter, because I’m sure this new one makes all the difference. Changes everything.
But I’m still waiting for specific ideas. You seem to be evading that simple question — trying to deflect with personal insults.
Tell me. What do we do after both parties “fall off a cliff?” Do you have a plan?
(Asking me to leave does not count as an answer.)Be sure to include numbers in your plan (you are a Pigg, right?)
January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM #504638Guestpp:
I was going to leave, but now I’m not. Having too much fun. Plus Allan likes lawn chairs.
I re-read your post, and I must say I now see your point.
You are right. Everything is now so different. Because of one freshman senator.
Tell me, how many senators/congressmen are there? (I don’t know because I dropped out of college). It doesn’t matter, because I’m sure this new one makes all the difference. Changes everything.
But I’m still waiting for specific ideas. You seem to be evading that simple question — trying to deflect with personal insults.
Tell me. What do we do after both parties “fall off a cliff?” Do you have a plan?
(Asking me to leave does not count as an answer.)Be sure to include numbers in your plan (you are a Pigg, right?)
January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM #504888Guestpp:
I was going to leave, but now I’m not. Having too much fun. Plus Allan likes lawn chairs.
I re-read your post, and I must say I now see your point.
You are right. Everything is now so different. Because of one freshman senator.
Tell me, how many senators/congressmen are there? (I don’t know because I dropped out of college). It doesn’t matter, because I’m sure this new one makes all the difference. Changes everything.
But I’m still waiting for specific ideas. You seem to be evading that simple question — trying to deflect with personal insults.
Tell me. What do we do after both parties “fall off a cliff?” Do you have a plan?
(Asking me to leave does not count as an answer.)Be sure to include numbers in your plan (you are a Pigg, right?)
January 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM #504008partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
We don’t have to wait long to see that your assessment was flawed. You want to know why the MA election was such a big deal? Because voters sent a message that “business as usual” – even when conducted by the party of the president they just elected – will no longer be tolerated.
Before yesterday, the Democratic obsession had been: “Spend, Grow, Tax, Spend, Grow, Tax”. And when voters bemoaned the sour economy, they were told to just have faith and wait for the back-loaded stimulus funds to kick in. When they protested that they were more concerned about jobs than health care, they were told “Shhh Shhh, be quiet, we know what’s good for you.”
But someone just got a wake-up call:
“Democrats see Mass. message: Jobs, jobs, jobs”
“Wounded in Massachusetts, frustrated Democrats on Wednesday urged the White House to focus on jobs and the economy — not the health care overhaul that’s now at risk — and pressed President Barack Obama to more forcefully make their case against Republicans ahead of potentially disastrous elections this fall.
“I would like the Democratic Party as a whole including its leader, the president, to speak clearly about the differences and to define those differences,” Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, chairman of the Senate Democrats’ campaign effort, told The Associated Press. And it’s not just about Republicans and Democrats, he said: “We have to do a much better job of both engaging and delivering to independent voters.
“We need a jobs bill. We need short-term, focused strategies to create jobs, real fast,” said Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa. “If the dominant message isn’t about jobs and spending, we’ll be making a difficult challenge exponentially more difficult.”
At the Capitol, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., declared, “If there’s anybody in this building that doesn’t tell you they are more worried about elections today, you should absolutely slap them.”Real change hath indeed come.
January 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM #504152Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
We don’t have to wait long to see that your assessment was flawed. You want to know why the MA election was such a big deal? Because voters sent a message that “business as usual” – even when conducted by the party of the president they just elected – will no longer be tolerated.
Before yesterday, the Democratic obsession had been: “Spend, Grow, Tax, Spend, Grow, Tax”. And when voters bemoaned the sour economy, they were told to just have faith and wait for the back-loaded stimulus funds to kick in. When they protested that they were more concerned about jobs than health care, they were told “Shhh Shhh, be quiet, we know what’s good for you.”
But someone just got a wake-up call:
“Democrats see Mass. message: Jobs, jobs, jobs”
“Wounded in Massachusetts, frustrated Democrats on Wednesday urged the White House to focus on jobs and the economy — not the health care overhaul that’s now at risk — and pressed President Barack Obama to more forcefully make their case against Republicans ahead of potentially disastrous elections this fall.
“I would like the Democratic Party as a whole including its leader, the president, to speak clearly about the differences and to define those differences,” Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, chairman of the Senate Democrats’ campaign effort, told The Associated Press. And it’s not just about Republicans and Democrats, he said: “We have to do a much better job of both engaging and delivering to independent voters.
“We need a jobs bill. We need short-term, focused strategies to create jobs, real fast,” said Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa. “If the dominant message isn’t about jobs and spending, we’ll be making a difficult challenge exponentially more difficult.”
At the Capitol, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., declared, “If there’s anybody in this building that doesn’t tell you they are more worried about elections today, you should absolutely slap them.”Real change hath indeed come.
January 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM #504551Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
We don’t have to wait long to see that your assessment was flawed. You want to know why the MA election was such a big deal? Because voters sent a message that “business as usual” – even when conducted by the party of the president they just elected – will no longer be tolerated.
Before yesterday, the Democratic obsession had been: “Spend, Grow, Tax, Spend, Grow, Tax”. And when voters bemoaned the sour economy, they were told to just have faith and wait for the back-loaded stimulus funds to kick in. When they protested that they were more concerned about jobs than health care, they were told “Shhh Shhh, be quiet, we know what’s good for you.”
But someone just got a wake-up call:
“Democrats see Mass. message: Jobs, jobs, jobs”
“Wounded in Massachusetts, frustrated Democrats on Wednesday urged the White House to focus on jobs and the economy — not the health care overhaul that’s now at risk — and pressed President Barack Obama to more forcefully make their case against Republicans ahead of potentially disastrous elections this fall.
“I would like the Democratic Party as a whole including its leader, the president, to speak clearly about the differences and to define those differences,” Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, chairman of the Senate Democrats’ campaign effort, told The Associated Press. And it’s not just about Republicans and Democrats, he said: “We have to do a much better job of both engaging and delivering to independent voters.
“We need a jobs bill. We need short-term, focused strategies to create jobs, real fast,” said Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa. “If the dominant message isn’t about jobs and spending, we’ll be making a difficult challenge exponentially more difficult.”
At the Capitol, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., declared, “If there’s anybody in this building that doesn’t tell you they are more worried about elections today, you should absolutely slap them.”Real change hath indeed come.
January 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM #504644Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
We don’t have to wait long to see that your assessment was flawed. You want to know why the MA election was such a big deal? Because voters sent a message that “business as usual” – even when conducted by the party of the president they just elected – will no longer be tolerated.
Before yesterday, the Democratic obsession had been: “Spend, Grow, Tax, Spend, Grow, Tax”. And when voters bemoaned the sour economy, they were told to just have faith and wait for the back-loaded stimulus funds to kick in. When they protested that they were more concerned about jobs than health care, they were told “Shhh Shhh, be quiet, we know what’s good for you.”
But someone just got a wake-up call:
“Democrats see Mass. message: Jobs, jobs, jobs”
“Wounded in Massachusetts, frustrated Democrats on Wednesday urged the White House to focus on jobs and the economy — not the health care overhaul that’s now at risk — and pressed President Barack Obama to more forcefully make their case against Republicans ahead of potentially disastrous elections this fall.
“I would like the Democratic Party as a whole including its leader, the president, to speak clearly about the differences and to define those differences,” Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, chairman of the Senate Democrats’ campaign effort, told The Associated Press. And it’s not just about Republicans and Democrats, he said: “We have to do a much better job of both engaging and delivering to independent voters.
“We need a jobs bill. We need short-term, focused strategies to create jobs, real fast,” said Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa. “If the dominant message isn’t about jobs and spending, we’ll be making a difficult challenge exponentially more difficult.”
At the Capitol, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., declared, “If there’s anybody in this building that doesn’t tell you they are more worried about elections today, you should absolutely slap them.”Real change hath indeed come.
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