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January 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM #504755January 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM #503877
Zeitgeist
ParticipantOne vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people!
January 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM #504019Zeitgeist
ParticipantOne vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people!
January 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM #504419Zeitgeist
ParticipantOne vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people!
January 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM #504510Zeitgeist
ParticipantOne vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people!
January 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM #504760Zeitgeist
ParticipantOne vote at a time (OVAAT) unless you have dead guys from Chicago or ACORN operatives involved, then you get as many votes as you need to get the results you want. I would like to see the country taken back from the SEIU thug element. Power to the people!
January 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM #503882Anonymous
Guest[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all we need to do is take our country back, one vote at a time.[/quote]
That, I definitely agree with you.
But I’m not sure we ever “had” our country to begin with.[/quote]
We don’t need to take it back.
We already have it. We’ve had it since 1776.
Sure some have more than others — and some have a lot more than others. But collectively, we still have our country. The fact that there is so much debate about even minor elections is proof of that.
We almost lost a big part of it in the 1860s. That was as bad as it ever got, and it hasn’t been anywhere close to that since.
We always have to be careful about losing it to outside forces. Although, with the exception of the Cold War, there never really been much of a viable threat of anyone “taking” our country (and this includes WWII, contrary to popular opinion).
We have to be careful about losing it to inside forces (McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc.), but even when things get a little wacky, we always seem to revert to common sense.
January 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM #504024Anonymous
Guest[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all we need to do is take our country back, one vote at a time.[/quote]
That, I definitely agree with you.
But I’m not sure we ever “had” our country to begin with.[/quote]
We don’t need to take it back.
We already have it. We’ve had it since 1776.
Sure some have more than others — and some have a lot more than others. But collectively, we still have our country. The fact that there is so much debate about even minor elections is proof of that.
We almost lost a big part of it in the 1860s. That was as bad as it ever got, and it hasn’t been anywhere close to that since.
We always have to be careful about losing it to outside forces. Although, with the exception of the Cold War, there never really been much of a viable threat of anyone “taking” our country (and this includes WWII, contrary to popular opinion).
We have to be careful about losing it to inside forces (McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc.), but even when things get a little wacky, we always seem to revert to common sense.
January 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM #504424Anonymous
Guest[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all we need to do is take our country back, one vote at a time.[/quote]
That, I definitely agree with you.
But I’m not sure we ever “had” our country to begin with.[/quote]
We don’t need to take it back.
We already have it. We’ve had it since 1776.
Sure some have more than others — and some have a lot more than others. But collectively, we still have our country. The fact that there is so much debate about even minor elections is proof of that.
We almost lost a big part of it in the 1860s. That was as bad as it ever got, and it hasn’t been anywhere close to that since.
We always have to be careful about losing it to outside forces. Although, with the exception of the Cold War, there never really been much of a viable threat of anyone “taking” our country (and this includes WWII, contrary to popular opinion).
We have to be careful about losing it to inside forces (McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc.), but even when things get a little wacky, we always seem to revert to common sense.
January 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM #504515Anonymous
Guest[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all we need to do is take our country back, one vote at a time.[/quote]
That, I definitely agree with you.
But I’m not sure we ever “had” our country to begin with.[/quote]
We don’t need to take it back.
We already have it. We’ve had it since 1776.
Sure some have more than others — and some have a lot more than others. But collectively, we still have our country. The fact that there is so much debate about even minor elections is proof of that.
We almost lost a big part of it in the 1860s. That was as bad as it ever got, and it hasn’t been anywhere close to that since.
We always have to be careful about losing it to outside forces. Although, with the exception of the Cold War, there never really been much of a viable threat of anyone “taking” our country (and this includes WWII, contrary to popular opinion).
We have to be careful about losing it to inside forces (McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc.), but even when things get a little wacky, we always seem to revert to common sense.
January 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM #504765Anonymous
Guest[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all we need to do is take our country back, one vote at a time.[/quote]
That, I definitely agree with you.
But I’m not sure we ever “had” our country to begin with.[/quote]
We don’t need to take it back.
We already have it. We’ve had it since 1776.
Sure some have more than others — and some have a lot more than others. But collectively, we still have our country. The fact that there is so much debate about even minor elections is proof of that.
We almost lost a big part of it in the 1860s. That was as bad as it ever got, and it hasn’t been anywhere close to that since.
We always have to be careful about losing it to outside forces. Although, with the exception of the Cold War, there never really been much of a viable threat of anyone “taking” our country (and this includes WWII, contrary to popular opinion).
We have to be careful about losing it to inside forces (McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc.), but even when things get a little wacky, we always seem to revert to common sense.
January 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM #503887partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brown’s victory in MA is not necessarily a complete repudiation of Obama (as some in the GOP are claiming), but its also not a testimonial for either party. Rather, as Pup, Zeit and Arraya have astutely pointed out, its a recognition by individuals throughout this country that their vote does have power and the power to reject “Business as Usual”.
[/quote]I don’t see how voting for a Republican intent on keeping the health care status quo isn’t “business as usual”.[/quote]
I don’t think you can assume that Brown is intent on keeping the health care status quo. I think you will be hard-pressed to find anyone in this country – Republican or otherwise – who thinks the current system works. Everyone recognizes it needs to be fixed; we just have different ideas about how to fix it, and what the voters in MA told Congress and the WH last night – and Barney Frank, Webb and Bayeh sure as hell heard them – is that they do not want to replace a bad system with a worse one that is ill-conceived and hurriedly jammed through for reasons of political expediency. The current crop of Democratic leaders seems to think that any change is better than no change at all. That’s just retarded. Sometimes change moves you backwards.
But for years, people have merely sat on the sidelines, objecting quietly but feeling that they had no voice to stop any legislation that they found particularly objectionable – be it health care, bank bailouts or masturbatory levels of spending. That’s “business as usual” – simply looking on as our elected *leaders* throw us all over a cliff.
And so the vote for Brown wasn’t so much a vote for the GOP, but rather a vote to simply demand that our elected officials slow down and listen to the electorate on a variety of issues. We have been making our voices known on blogs, in polls, in the streets – but the Dems apparently didn’t get the message. And so business as usual continued – with more uncontrolled spending, more rearranging of the furniture in our living rooms, secret back door meetings to shove legislation up our a** and nasty epithets dispensed by a very scary Nancy Pelosi calling inquiring voters thugs and nutjob Harry Reid comparing health care opponents to “slaveowners”.
But that changed last night. Now Obama and the Dems are listening. And if the GOP is smart (a lot to ask for), they will be listening, as well. And the funny thing is, if it weren’t for Ted Kennedy’s death and this special election, the electorate would never had had the opportunity to bitch slap Congress at this critical juncture by yanking away their free pass to do whatever the hell they want. The stars truly aligned.
Can you hear us now?
January 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM #504029partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brown’s victory in MA is not necessarily a complete repudiation of Obama (as some in the GOP are claiming), but its also not a testimonial for either party. Rather, as Pup, Zeit and Arraya have astutely pointed out, its a recognition by individuals throughout this country that their vote does have power and the power to reject “Business as Usual”.
[/quote]I don’t see how voting for a Republican intent on keeping the health care status quo isn’t “business as usual”.[/quote]
I don’t think you can assume that Brown is intent on keeping the health care status quo. I think you will be hard-pressed to find anyone in this country – Republican or otherwise – who thinks the current system works. Everyone recognizes it needs to be fixed; we just have different ideas about how to fix it, and what the voters in MA told Congress and the WH last night – and Barney Frank, Webb and Bayeh sure as hell heard them – is that they do not want to replace a bad system with a worse one that is ill-conceived and hurriedly jammed through for reasons of political expediency. The current crop of Democratic leaders seems to think that any change is better than no change at all. That’s just retarded. Sometimes change moves you backwards.
But for years, people have merely sat on the sidelines, objecting quietly but feeling that they had no voice to stop any legislation that they found particularly objectionable – be it health care, bank bailouts or masturbatory levels of spending. That’s “business as usual” – simply looking on as our elected *leaders* throw us all over a cliff.
And so the vote for Brown wasn’t so much a vote for the GOP, but rather a vote to simply demand that our elected officials slow down and listen to the electorate on a variety of issues. We have been making our voices known on blogs, in polls, in the streets – but the Dems apparently didn’t get the message. And so business as usual continued – with more uncontrolled spending, more rearranging of the furniture in our living rooms, secret back door meetings to shove legislation up our a** and nasty epithets dispensed by a very scary Nancy Pelosi calling inquiring voters thugs and nutjob Harry Reid comparing health care opponents to “slaveowners”.
But that changed last night. Now Obama and the Dems are listening. And if the GOP is smart (a lot to ask for), they will be listening, as well. And the funny thing is, if it weren’t for Ted Kennedy’s death and this special election, the electorate would never had had the opportunity to bitch slap Congress at this critical juncture by yanking away their free pass to do whatever the hell they want. The stars truly aligned.
Can you hear us now?
January 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM #504429partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brown’s victory in MA is not necessarily a complete repudiation of Obama (as some in the GOP are claiming), but its also not a testimonial for either party. Rather, as Pup, Zeit and Arraya have astutely pointed out, its a recognition by individuals throughout this country that their vote does have power and the power to reject “Business as Usual”.
[/quote]I don’t see how voting for a Republican intent on keeping the health care status quo isn’t “business as usual”.[/quote]
I don’t think you can assume that Brown is intent on keeping the health care status quo. I think you will be hard-pressed to find anyone in this country – Republican or otherwise – who thinks the current system works. Everyone recognizes it needs to be fixed; we just have different ideas about how to fix it, and what the voters in MA told Congress and the WH last night – and Barney Frank, Webb and Bayeh sure as hell heard them – is that they do not want to replace a bad system with a worse one that is ill-conceived and hurriedly jammed through for reasons of political expediency. The current crop of Democratic leaders seems to think that any change is better than no change at all. That’s just retarded. Sometimes change moves you backwards.
But for years, people have merely sat on the sidelines, objecting quietly but feeling that they had no voice to stop any legislation that they found particularly objectionable – be it health care, bank bailouts or masturbatory levels of spending. That’s “business as usual” – simply looking on as our elected *leaders* throw us all over a cliff.
And so the vote for Brown wasn’t so much a vote for the GOP, but rather a vote to simply demand that our elected officials slow down and listen to the electorate on a variety of issues. We have been making our voices known on blogs, in polls, in the streets – but the Dems apparently didn’t get the message. And so business as usual continued – with more uncontrolled spending, more rearranging of the furniture in our living rooms, secret back door meetings to shove legislation up our a** and nasty epithets dispensed by a very scary Nancy Pelosi calling inquiring voters thugs and nutjob Harry Reid comparing health care opponents to “slaveowners”.
But that changed last night. Now Obama and the Dems are listening. And if the GOP is smart (a lot to ask for), they will be listening, as well. And the funny thing is, if it weren’t for Ted Kennedy’s death and this special election, the electorate would never had had the opportunity to bitch slap Congress at this critical juncture by yanking away their free pass to do whatever the hell they want. The stars truly aligned.
Can you hear us now?
January 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM #504521partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brown’s victory in MA is not necessarily a complete repudiation of Obama (as some in the GOP are claiming), but its also not a testimonial for either party. Rather, as Pup, Zeit and Arraya have astutely pointed out, its a recognition by individuals throughout this country that their vote does have power and the power to reject “Business as Usual”.
[/quote]I don’t see how voting for a Republican intent on keeping the health care status quo isn’t “business as usual”.[/quote]
I don’t think you can assume that Brown is intent on keeping the health care status quo. I think you will be hard-pressed to find anyone in this country – Republican or otherwise – who thinks the current system works. Everyone recognizes it needs to be fixed; we just have different ideas about how to fix it, and what the voters in MA told Congress and the WH last night – and Barney Frank, Webb and Bayeh sure as hell heard them – is that they do not want to replace a bad system with a worse one that is ill-conceived and hurriedly jammed through for reasons of political expediency. The current crop of Democratic leaders seems to think that any change is better than no change at all. That’s just retarded. Sometimes change moves you backwards.
But for years, people have merely sat on the sidelines, objecting quietly but feeling that they had no voice to stop any legislation that they found particularly objectionable – be it health care, bank bailouts or masturbatory levels of spending. That’s “business as usual” – simply looking on as our elected *leaders* throw us all over a cliff.
And so the vote for Brown wasn’t so much a vote for the GOP, but rather a vote to simply demand that our elected officials slow down and listen to the electorate on a variety of issues. We have been making our voices known on blogs, in polls, in the streets – but the Dems apparently didn’t get the message. And so business as usual continued – with more uncontrolled spending, more rearranging of the furniture in our living rooms, secret back door meetings to shove legislation up our a** and nasty epithets dispensed by a very scary Nancy Pelosi calling inquiring voters thugs and nutjob Harry Reid comparing health care opponents to “slaveowners”.
But that changed last night. Now Obama and the Dems are listening. And if the GOP is smart (a lot to ask for), they will be listening, as well. And the funny thing is, if it weren’t for Ted Kennedy’s death and this special election, the electorate would never had had the opportunity to bitch slap Congress at this critical juncture by yanking away their free pass to do whatever the hell they want. The stars truly aligned.
Can you hear us now?
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