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[quote=SK in CV]
Do you have any idea the hoops that you have to jump through to be an approved federal contractor? (I’ve been through that process, becoming an approved contractor for Apple is the only more tedious process I’ve ever seen.) I’m not saying it never happens, but it’s extraordinary when an federal employee leaves their position and immediately become direct contractor to the federal government without an intermediary. Beyond the hoops required to become an approved federal contractor, the federal government contracts out specific jobs/duties, not positions. They contract with XYZ Company to provide technical support for abc functions. Not 40 hours a week that meets a specific job description.[/quote]

So you’re saying it’s a $600 Mil spec hammer.

I’ve been on both sides of the fence in large companies.

Again, the big money is going direct. Other than that, in large corporations, frankly, a lot of the contractors are gravy boat, lazy management, or short sighted.

In the defense industry, a lot of the contractors simply because the government contract to the company is cost plus…

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality]So you’re saying it’s a $600 Mil spec hammer.[/quote]

No, nothing at all like that. Whole different issue and not even marginally related.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=no_such_reality]So you’re saying it’s a $600 Mil spec hammer.[/quote]

No, nothing at all like that. Whole different issue and not even marginally related.[/quote]

Actually it is.

You said it when you said “Do you have any idea the hoops that you have to jump through to be an approved federal contractor? (I’ve been through that process, becoming an approved contractor for Apple is the only more tedious process I’ve ever seen.)”

That’s the mil-spec issue in a nutshell.

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality]
That’s the mil-spec issue in a nutshell.[/quote]

No, it’s really not. It has nothing to do with SOW’s. It’s purely administrative.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]Do you have any idea the hoops that you have to jump through to be an approved federal contractor? (I’ve been through that process, becoming an approved contractor for Apple is the only more tedious process I’ve ever seen.) I’m not saying it never happens, but it’s extraordinary when an federal employee leaves their position and immediately become direct contractor to the federal government without an intermediary. Beyond the hoops required to become an approved federal contractor, the federal government contracts out specific jobs/duties, not positions. They contract with XYZ Company to provide technical support for abc functions. Not 40 hours a week that meets a specific job description.[/quote]There is your problem right there. If it’s so top secret, why even outsource it in the first place. In the private sector, work you’re doing that’s important to your IP do not get outsourced. Only stuff that is not important to your core IP. If the stuff that the government is outsourcing is not important to its core secrecy, then why make all the hoops. If it is important, why outsource? The only reason I see why they have all the hoops is that big gov contracting companies can keep the monopoly on the position.[/quote]

Because it’s a lot more lucrative to key decision makers to outsource it. There is more money for everyone in outsourcing. Who do you think is spending more money to expand government: lobbyists/contractors, or federal employee unions?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=no_such_reality]
That’s the mil-spec issue in a nutshell.[/quote]

No, it’s really not. It has nothing to do with SOW’s. It’s purely administrative.[/quote]

The administrative requirements are pre-requisites to the SOW which act as a barrier to entry and essentially act as an unnecessary and esoteric requirement. i.e. a mil-spec hammer when a $5 hammer from HD would do the job.

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality]The administrative requirements are pre-requisites to the SOW which act as a barrier to entry and essentially act as an unnecessary and esoteric requirement. i.e. a mil-spec hammer when a $5 hammer from HD would do the job.[/quote]

You may think it’s unnecessary and esoteric. But it’s also part of the process of doing business with almost every Fortune 500 company. It is not solely a government thing. It is a big organization thing. And the federal government is as big as it gets.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=no_such_reality]The administrative requirements are pre-requisites to the SOW which act as a barrier to entry and essentially act as an unnecessary and esoteric requirement. i.e. a mil-spec hammer when a $5 hammer from HD would do the job.[/quote]

You may think it’s unnecessary and esoteric. But it’s also part of the process of doing business with almost every Fortune 500 company. It is not solely a government thing. It is a big organization thing. And the federal government is as big as it gets.[/quote]

Yes, that’s what I said back on page 1. That barrier to entry runs basically both ways. Once in, management in large organizations lose incentive to treat contractors as contractors and they become just part of “the cost of doing business”.

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