Creating the American Dream

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Anyne who complains about govt subsidies and intervention should take a good look around at their world here in the US.
Fanny, Freddie and the GI Bill changed life for the masses in the USA. A college education and home ownership were very rare things before the govt got involved.
And the masses involvement in the stock market kicked in with the IRA plan that was created.
Check this against human history. It’s amazing what’s been created in 70 years!

I may be very bearish about our current circumstances, but I wont fool myself about the opportunities here and what’s been created. So, as big and bloated and corrupt as we may like to portray the govt and its activities, it’s done a far better than average job trying to get j6p into a higher standard of living or at least the opportunity to attain it.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CONCHO]
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.

Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…[/quote]

I intentionally said that in order to wait for a response like this. I think that just shows the complete lack of the spirit of “the pursuit of happiness” in the current generation.
The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CONCHO]
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.

Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…[/quote]

I intentionally said that in order to wait for a response like this. I think that just shows the complete lack of the spirit of “the pursuit of happiness” in the current generation.
The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CONCHO]
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.

Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…[/quote]

I intentionally said that in order to wait for a response like this. I think that just shows the complete lack of the spirit of “the pursuit of happiness” in the current generation.
The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CONCHO]
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.

Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…[/quote]

I intentionally said that in order to wait for a response like this. I think that just shows the complete lack of the spirit of “the pursuit of happiness” in the current generation.
The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CONCHO]
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.

Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…[/quote]

I intentionally said that in order to wait for a response like this. I think that just shows the complete lack of the spirit of “the pursuit of happiness” in the current generation.
The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

[blahblahblah]

The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.

When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.

Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.

[blahblahblah]

The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.

When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.

Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.

[blahblahblah]

The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.

When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.

Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.

[blahblahblah]

The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.

When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.

Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.

[blahblahblah]

The root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.

The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.

When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.

Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.

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