The cost of an Ivy League undergrad degree next year….

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=joec]flu,

On your long post, I don’t take offense at all that you know plenty of ivy grads doing jack squat and it wasn’t as hard to get in. As it has been posted many times, a lot of these thoughts/questions has to do with our own experiences…Like I mentioned, I went to my UC school back in the early 90s so the Ivy’s are probably not like what it is now in terms of grads or crowded tech folks. UCs back then also had limited class choices, budget issues already and the overall money issues you see now, but not as bad yet. I think the point I was saying is the network/alumi is stronger in general (assuming that’s your personality which maybe isn’t even mine…) and TOP TOP jobs seem to have ivy alumi (presidents, etc…). I am not trying to take things away from the “average” millionaire, but again, if you want to be C-level or higher or senior management, your chances are IMO, just higher as a Stanford or Ivy grad with a solid degree and work experience. Even with good work experience, you may not get the most coveted jobs and as someone making decent money way back, this is just what I’ve noticed at least…

AN, I think our views on this topic are just way different and no one is going to convince the other since it’s based on our own life experiences.

Also, I didn’t go to an Ivy and actually never even applied. I would be a d-bag maybe if I did and bragged about it, but since I didn’t, I don’t qualify to brag if I was to do that. I actually just like to flame UCs since they aren’t as cheap and I don’t think they’re that great.

I know a person who went to Harvey Mudd. I think the industry has so few of them because those schools are just so much smaller. I read that their hiring rate is very high though from past articles I’ve seen.

AN, I also don’t have data spelling out that ivy grads make more and don’t plan to bother wasting time to search for it since we will just disagree completely anyways, but generally, there are salary surveys showing that a lot of private schools do pay more (don’t believe if you don’t…).

Here’s an article saying Stanford grads are turning down 150k starting salaries to do work they like or care about:
http://www.businessinsider.com/life-at-stanford-in-2015-2015-4

In the end, just do whatever you, as parents feel is best. We all have our own opinions and will do as we all please.[/quote]

well, I know the data on aervage salaries from my ivy league school. the numbers not all that impressive, low 100k. but its just so misleading, as to whats going to realistically happen to you, because there’s some outliers with such massive numbers that they bring up the average for the reaminder of the schlubs. not sure where i saw that stat, but, it includes hedge fund guys and law partners making well oevr a million, and ordinary working drones like me…and much worse…

if i could do it all over again and get a higher gpa and major in econ and step into investment banking and work like a do g and hit it just right…

well, in that case, i wouldnt be me…that would be some other dude…

[scaredyclassic]

just recently got my diploma from college framed, 30 years out. can finally afford it.

they had a sale on frames from the college bookstore online. has a nice little mat. kinda dumb. but there it is on the wall…

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]just recently got my diploma from college framed, 30 years out. can finally afford it.

they had a sale on frames from the college bookstore online. has a nice little mat. kinda dumb. but there it is on the wall…[/quote]

I forget where I put mine 🙂

[scaredyclassic]

I remember wwen we graduated my pal thumbtacked his to the frat wall and wrote “goober award” on his. Of course he later graduated from Harvard Law and went on to much bigger and wealthier things than me.

Not sure what the moral is there…

[FlyerInHi]

AN, one min it’s all about ROI, and the next min money is not everything?

Like I said before, you CAN afford to send your kids to Ivy League. You can live in a small house or condo, no? Someone mentioned before that the sacrifice is like driving an economy car vs. a luxury car over time.

Not saying, that would be the right choice for you, but many parents would make the sacrifice if their kids were admitted to an elite school.

This debate is academic because a kid who is admitted to an Ivy League school has many options.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=deadzone]
If it makes you feel more special, go ahead and waste your money to send your kids to Ivy league. But just admit it, the only reason is so you can brag about it (i.e. you are a d-bag).[/quote]

Not only can you brag about it, but an elite education is simply better.

Do you send your kids to piano lessons to turn them into more accomplished human beings, or so you can brag at family gatherings? Maybe only a little bit of pride and bragging.

What about sports?

If bragging makes one a douchebag, then I know quite a few douchy parents.

[scaredyclassic]

if you brag about your kid in that way, youre kind of a douche. if you brag about yourself, you are definitely a douche.

in fact, even wearing your old ivy league sweatshirt is kind of douchy, depending on circumstances. could be ok i think at reunions, or if it is actaully 25 years old…

i liked the way jason schwartzmann wore his ratty princeton shirt on BORED TO DEATH though.

i would feel dumb buying a new tshirt from my alma mater and walking around in it.

i dont feel douchy buying random college tshirts at the goodwill and wearing them however.

it’s all in the attitude…GO ARIZONA STATE!!!

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]
If it makes you feel more special, go ahead and waste your money to send your kids to Ivy league. But just admit it, the only reason is so you can brag about it (i.e. you are a d-bag).[/quote]

Not only can you brag about it, but an elite education is simply better.

Do you send your kids to piano lessons to turn them into more accomplished human beings, or so you can brag at family gatherings? Maybe only a little bit of pride and bragging.

What about sports?

If bragging makes one a douchebag, then I know quite a few douchy parents.[/quote]

i feel ok bragging that my kid can easily handle differential equations; that seems substantive; but to say he easily handles differential equations at —- university, seems, well, sad.

[scaredyclassic]

this just in from the Arachnoboard (i may have to go hang there instead of piggington) in regard to where to go for best entomology programs….looks like riverside is among the leaders nationwide. uc riverside baby, for bugs!!!! seriously, if I went back to school, i would like to study insects…

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Cornell has a really good university. UCR and UCDavis in California are considered some of the leading entomology programs as well as Texas A&M. For the most part, I would accomplish a biology degree and go post graduate to any of those universities. I’m at cal poly pomona working on a plant science degree, using that as a spring board to get into a good post-grad program. If you are young, try being away if it is financially possible.

Also, i believe there have been a few other discussions about this on the forums.
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/sear…earchid=260001
that should help a bit.

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think about where the future is going, my friends…the cockroaches will rule the globe someday, long after we are gone….let us study our overlords…

[FlyerInHi]

How about using a .edu email account? Is that douchy?

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi]AN, one min it’s all about ROI, and the next min money is not everything?[/quote]Those are two different thing. Yes, money is not everything and yes, the ROI on Ivy on average isn’t good. Why is that confusing? Or should I go broke and have bad ROI?

[quote=FlyerInHi]Like I said before, you CAN afford to send your kids to Ivy League. You can live in a small house or condo, no? Someone mentioned before that the sacrifice is like driving an economy car vs. a luxury car over time. [/quote]A better analogy would be like buying a Ferrari vs buying a 3 series.

[quote=FlyerInHi]Not saying, that would be the right choice for you, but many parents would make the sacrifice if their kids were admitted to an elite school.

This debate is academic because a kid who is admitted to an Ivy League school has many options.[/quote]There is no right or wrong. Everyone decide what’s right for them and their kids. Some people would buy a McMansion and have no money in the bank, some would live in a small 3/2 in the ghetto have have millions in the bank. We all spend our money different. We all value different things.

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]How about using a .edu email account? Is that douchy?[/quote]

I don’t know, for the longest time after I graduated and moved to SD, I kept my student id, so I can get student tickets at the movies and elsewhere.

The funniest thing was more than once, some people that actually looked at it asked, “oh, I never heard of that college, where is it?” And I would say, oh it’s just a small for-profit JC in san diego….I kept my mouth shut.. Hey, if they that it was local, and I got my discounted tickets… yeah it’s a JC….

[FlyerInHi]

Or the bumper sticker that says “my child is an outstanding student at some crap elementary school.”

Or Navy Mom license plate frame.

[an]

Here’s data for CS major:
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2014/best-schools-by-major/computer-science

Look like best ROI would be CSU SLO and SJSU. UC are all over that list too. Not very many Ivy on there.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

well, I know the data on aervage salaries from my ivy league school. the numbers not all that impressive, low 100k. but its just so misleading, as to whats going to realistically happen to you, because there’s some outliers with such massive numbers that they bring up the average for the reaminder of the schlubs. not sure where i saw that stat, but, it includes hedge fund guys and law partners making well oevr a million, and ordinary working drones like me…and much worse…

if i could do it all over again and get a higher gpa and major in econ and step into investment banking and work like a do g and hit it just right…

well, in that case, i wouldnt be me…that would be some other dude…[/quote]

Well, part of the reason for this, at least back when I was “starting”, older alumni did train me at an early age to “screw the salary” and go after the thing called “stock options”. So when I was just starting out, I never negotiated my salary, but I did ask for more grants.

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