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March 21, 2015 at 11:11 PM #784058March 25, 2015 at 4:25 PM #784171
Dukehorn
ParticipantI’m a state school undergrad with private school law degree. Sis is Ivy undergrad with state school grad degree.
I had scholarships for both schools. Sis got financial aid at the Ivy and stipend for a PhD. It was a wash for our parents.
My best friends at my state school got a Stanford MBA, a Yale PhD, a Yale JD. Her roommates her frosh year got 2 MDs and a PhD.
The biggest difference is I had to work at finding smart friends and a good thesis mentor at my 50k plus university. Classes were hard to schedule. Add/drop policy sucked. She was always surrounded by smart folks and had really liberal add/drop policies to keep up her already Ivy inflated GPA. She dropped one class after the final exam.
What’s harder? A 3.5 state school GPA with a double major in Engineering/History or a 3.7 GPA in biology at an Ivy. I’d argue my coursework was more stressful and harder to accomplish but….
What’s more impressive to grad schools and hiring committees? The 3.7 at an Ivy.
What happens when google is flooded with resumes that it imposes a 3.7 undergrad GPA cap even on experienced attorneys? You don’t get your foot in the door.
When I was doing hiring at my law firm, here was the criteria. Top 5 students at the University of Houston, top 5% at SMU, top 15% at UT, top 33% at Duke, anybody breathing at Harvard Law.
And in this day and age, it’s the affluent and well-educated marrying among themselves. Latest weddings I went to JD/JD, MBA/MD, MBA/MD, Phd/MD, Phd/MD. I know a few couples with a MD wife and a BA/BS husband (but all the guys were swimming in tech options). Hate to say that marriage has a business like transaction aspect to it but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t.
March 25, 2015 at 4:31 PM #784174FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=Dukehorn] And in this day and age, it’s the affluent and well-educated marrying among themselves. Latest weddings I went to JD/JD, MBA/MD, MBA/MD, Phd/MD, Phd/MD. I know a few couples with a MD wife and a BA/BS husband (but all the guys were swimming in tech options). Hate to say that marriage has a business like transaction aspect to it but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t.[/quote]
Yep. I said it, but best to pretend in polite company.
March 25, 2015 at 4:42 PM #784176ParticipantWhat about Pigginton was ever polite :p??
I’ll put it another way. If your kid is driven, he/she can figure out life at a state school fairly well.
I’ve seen kids at private high schools here in the Bay Area whose parents have to ride them to do their homework. They may get good grades now but I wonder if they would adapt well to the “take no prisoners” aspect of a large state school. Those are the people that go to a Boston University, Grinnell, Swarthmore (if they can’t get into an Ivy). Because if you think an Ivy isn’t worth the money then what the heck do you do with the second tier privates??
March 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM #784184joec
ParticipantAll good points Dukehorn. I agree that at the UC schools, dropping classes if you’re doing poorly is near impossible. I know people in engr where 1/3 of the class HAD TO FLUNK (get a C- or lower) so a lot of people aren’t going to get a decent GPA if you’re in that major.
I see a shortage of males to actually marry for highly educated, wealth women actually. Most women would want someone more well off/successful, but tehre are fewer and fewer men now in that area.
All the grad schools already have more women than men and the few women making bucks will have very few men to fight over…
March 25, 2015 at 10:45 PM #784190Anonymous
Guest[quote=Dukehorn]
When I was doing hiring at my law firm, here was the criteria. Top 5 students at the University of Houston, top 5% at SMU, top 15% at UT, top 33% at Duke, anybody breathing at Harvard Law.
[/quote]Which just means that firms like yours are going to be staffed with elitist Ivy league pricks. No thanks.
March 25, 2015 at 11:04 PM #784191an
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Dukehorn] And in this day and age, it’s the affluent and well-educated marrying among themselves. Latest weddings I went to JD/JD, MBA/MD, MBA/MD, Phd/MD, Phd/MD. I know a few couples with a MD wife and a BA/BS husband (but all the guys were swimming in tech options). Hate to say that marriage has a business like transaction aspect to it but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t.[/quote]
Yep. I said it, but best to pretend in polite company.[/quote]
Well educated? So you’re saying if you’re not a PhD/MD/JD, then you’re not well educated?As for affluent, I would have believe this statement when I was 22, but after many years of working, I’ve opened my eyes I see that W2-er, be it MD/JD/PhD or Engineers/RN/etc, are not the affluent. They’re they solid upper middle class. But the truly affluent are the biz owners. As I’ve said earlier in the thread, I know people who have nothing more than a BS and are not even using their degrees, are now having net worth that would run circle around any PhD/MD/JD. I also know a PA who own a clinic who “employ” a MD so he can have his clinic. Guess who gets to keep all the profit from that clinic?
FYI, degrees is definitely not even close to the top factor for me when finding a spouse. Net worth is much higher than degrees and net worth is not even the top 3.
March 26, 2015 at 12:21 AM #784192GuestAN, successful businesses owners are in the minority statistically.
People who are well educated have advanced degrees. I’d rather marry a professor than a hairdresser. I don’t care if she owns 10 successful salons or 100,
That facts are that young adults usually fall in love in college; and it’s better to fall in love at Harvard than at JC.
If people get married after establishing a career, it’s more business like and usually within their milieus.
I don’t think that business savvy necessarily equates to high IQ. Academic performance, yes. I’d rather my kids have higher IQ.
March 26, 2015 at 12:51 AM #784193ParticipantThere are more multi-millionaire business owners than MD/PhD/JD. I rather my kids married someone who they love, who love them back, and they both love their kids. That’s far more important than net worth much less degree. I could careless if their spouse is a doctor or a hairdresser, as long as they truly love each other and put the other person ahead all else. I also would much rather they marry a multi-millionaire salon owner than a MD who is deep in dept. I also could careless about IQ. Street smart > book smart any day for me. Obviously, having both would be ideal.
Anyways, different stroke for different folks. Which is why Elite U are still able to charge crazy prices. There will be people just like you who would gladly pay for that education, ROI be damned.
March 26, 2015 at 7:49 AM #784196scaredyclassic
ParticipantNew academic PhD us essentially unemployable. Person is probably an idiot.
March 26, 2015 at 9:35 AM #784197The-Shoveler
ParticipantYea I wonder at the wisdom of my younger relatives going for their PHD in engineering right after they just graduated with their Masters.
I am not sure what a PHD in engineering will actually get you.
Maybe if you go into some super secrete Gov Job.
March 26, 2015 at 9:52 AM #784198Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]Yea I wonder at the wisdom of my younger relatives going for their PHD in engineering right after they just graduated with their Masters.
I am not sure what a PHD in engineering will actually get you.
Maybe if you go into some super secrete Gov Job.[/quote]
It gets you two plus years of not having to actually work in the field. It will also impress people like brian who value those kind of things.March 26, 2015 at 10:14 AM #784199fun4vnay2
ParticipantPhD in Engineering really won’t help you earn more money.
If one is passionate about research then it makes sense but from monetary stand point it does.
Even master’s in EE does not really make sensesSpeaking from experience by observing few of my friends…
March 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM #784200
CoronitaParticipantWe use to joke about the different science degrees at the Q decades ago…
B.S. = Bullshit….
M.S. = More shit….
PhD = Piled Higher and Deeper…
Irony is that the Q was one of the few places that having they the correct PhD might actually make a difference in some areas. (Software, not so much, but other areas related to the standards)…. Simply put, if certain jobs requiring R&D.. But only if you want to do those jobs and you can qualify to do those jobs. Those jobs don’t necessarily pay any better than other jobs, and specialization to that degree has both pros and cons.
I’m not sure if a masters in C.S. is really that beneficial. Most of the time, it’s required for H1-B’s for employment. But for non-H1-B folks, you probably don’t need it, provided you have very good fundamentals and experience. Some kids these days can code pretty decently going into college.
You know, if you want to get a masters in C.S. these days, it will cost about $8k online from a reputable school: Georgia Tech
http://www.gizmag.com/georgia-tech–graduate-computer-science-degree-mooc/28763/
For other areas like finance and legal, it probably is a little different. More like a fraternity (at least that would the appearance of what I’ve seen, but it’s limited and probably not inclusive) Sibling that is in i-banking and peers seem to all have similar backgrounds. Top rank undergrad + top rank mba. But then again, my sibling and her peers tends to be elitist, lol.
For the record, I don’t have a masters. 4 years was enough for me. At some point, I was considering going back 1-2 years for a masters when I was younger. But then the thought of missing $$$$ during those years and the lure of silly valley stock options preempted that. Oh well.
March 26, 2015 at 10:37 AM #784201CoronitaParticipantThere comes a time when you get sufficiently old enough, you just don’t give a shit what other people think anymore.
I think that usually sets in when you’re 40 (at least it did for me). Because statistically, your life is already 1/2 over.
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