The cost of an Ivy League undergrad degree next year….

[Essbee]

To try to avoid any bias based on my current/former workplaces, I’m going to approach it from the other direction as well.

My high school class (Patrick Henry HS here in San Diego, mid-1990s) now has 8 physicians.

For undergraduate:
2 went to Harvard
1 went to Princeton
2 went to Stanford
1 went to Berkeley
1 went to UCLA
1 went to UCSD

So, like I said, it’s fine to go to a UC, but I would not advise CSU for premed students.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]For prestige or more money?

Within medicine to me it seems like hustlers make money but a hospital wherever they do their residency us gonna make 1 to 150 an hour.

So is it gonna be more lucrative to be a doc with 250k in the bank setting up a few pain mgt. 9th ices with a less prestigious residency or an internist from Harvard working as a hospital is a “good” hospital.

The Harvard gal probably has more shine but the pain guy is probably gonna be rich.[/quote]

I wouldn’t go see a “pain specialist” unless that specialist was top of his field. And that usually doesn’t happen when the doctor has sheety credentials.

In as much as I needed serious legal help, I wouldn’t go to someone with a JD from University of Phoenix.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=flu][quote=scaredyclassic]For prestige or more money?

Within medicine to me it seems like hustlers make money but a hospital wherever they do their residency us gonna make 1 to 150 an hour.

So is it gonna be more lucrative to be a doc with 250k in the bank setting up a few pain mgt. 9th ices with a less prestigious residency or an internist from Harvard working as a hospital is a “good” hospital.

The Harvard gal probably has more shine but the pain guy is probably gonna be rich.[/quote]

I wouldn’t go see a “pain specialist” unless that specialist was top of his field. And that usually doesn’t happen when the doctor has sheety credentials.

In as much as I needed serious legal help, I wouldn’t go to someone with a JD from University of Phoenix.[/quote]

for medicine who cares if you’re seeking a particular doc unless you’re paying cash. Otherwise you’re just another body another insurance policy and your opinion isn’t making anyone wealthier

[scaredyclassic]

Ummm. Hmmm.

Extremely unpersuasive anecdotal evidence from a very limited sample of doctors.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/too-poor-for-formal-post-bac.217508/

interesting chat group with real world type people trying to keep expenses down and get in to med school with a wider range of results.

Real people go to decent med schools from cal state

[scaredyclassic]

If your serious problem involves family or criminal law (most problrms) and you pick your lawyer based on his law schools ranking you are not gonna find the better lawyer.

I know the top dollar go to lawyers for real world problems and lically, they didn’t go to the best school.

Corporate type law, different story of course

[Anonymous]

Y’all are ignoring a very important aspect of the cost/benefits.

If your kid gets into the Ivy League and doesn’t go, they’ll spend the rest of their life thinking “I could have gone to …”

[Essbee]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Ummm. Hmmm.

Extremely unpersuasive anecdotal evidence from a very limited sample of doctors.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/too-poor-for-formal-post-bac.217508/

interesting chat group with real world type people trying to keep expenses down and get in to med school with a wider range of results.

Real people go to decent med schools from cal state[/quote]

The link you provided refers to post-bacc programs, which is a different situation.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=flu][quote=scaredyclassic]For prestige or more money?

Within medicine to me it seems like hustlers make money but a hospital wherever they do their residency us gonna make 1 to 150 an hour.

So is it gonna be more lucrative to be a doc with 250k in the bank setting up a few pain mgt. 9th ices with a less prestigious residency or an internist from Harvard working as a hospital is a “good” hospital.

The Harvard gal probably has more shine but the pain guy is probably gonna be rich.[/quote]

I wouldn’t go see a “pain specialist” unless that specialist was top of his field. And that usually doesn’t happen when the doctor has sheety credentials.

In as much as I needed serious legal help, I wouldn’t go to someone with a JD from University of Phoenix.[/quote]

for medicine who cares if you’re seeking a particular doc unless you’re paying cash. Otherwise you’re just another body another insurance policy and your opinion isn’t making anyone wealthier[/quote]

First, not all insurance policies are created equal.

Second, for specialized medicine (those with “unique” conditions), some doctors are interested in it from the research perspective, usually the ones associated with a university or research.

Using myself as an example. Someone who has a desmoid tumor, it became very clear which doctors wanted to just make money and which doctors wanted to find the best possible treatment.

There were plenty of surgeons that tried to push me into having it removed as fast as I could, without considering that surgery itself might have been what caused the growth to begin with. For them, it was a chop shop: cut them open, operate, bill, no worries afterwards, since it would be out of their court to deal with. Done…The best advice was from doctors that were from academia and or research, who highlighted every pro/con of doing surgery versus chemo, and allowing me to make the decision in an unbiased way. Some of the best advice I got was from one surgeon Cleveland Clinic, despite having performs several thousand of similar procedures, strongly discouraged me from surgery, since he considered it the last resort. That guy’s opinion was confirmed by another renowned surgeon at UCLA, both him and his son that also practices there, as well as a board at UCLA that reviewed my case. All this started off from UCSD with my surgeon, when she suggested I get a second and third opinion from people more knowledgeable, who’s dealt with it.

So at least from the specialists I’ve seen, it mattered to me what their background, research, and area of expertise was.

[Anonymous]

[quote=harvey]Y’all are ignoring a very important aspect of the cost/benefits.

If your kid gets into the Ivy League and doesn’t go, they’ll spend the rest of their life thinking “I could have gone to …”[/quote]

That is utter non-sense. If the kids are successful, that thought won’t even cross their mind. If the kids turn out to be losers, well pretty sure attending an Ivy league school wouldn’t have made a difference.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Essbee]To try to avoid any bias based on my current/former workplaces, I’m going to approach it from the other direction as well.

My high school class (Patrick Henry HS here in San Diego, mid-1990s) now has 8 physicians.

For undergraduate:
2 went to Harvard
1 went to Princeton
2 went to Stanford
1 went to Berkeley
1 went to UCLA
1 went to UCSD

So, like I said, it’s fine to go to a UC, but I would not advise CSU for premed students.[/quote]

What does that have to do with anything? You are implying that someone with B.S. from SDSU would have trouble getting into med school no matter what their grades/qualifications? That seems like a ridiculous assumption.

[an]

[quote=flu]I wouldn’t go see a “pain specialist” unless that specialist was top of his field. And that usually doesn’t happen when the doctor has sheety credentials.

In as much as I needed serious legal help, I wouldn’t go to someone with a JD from University of Phoenix.[/quote]Specialist at the top of his field is not the same as going to Elite U? Do you care that your specialist went to Harvard for had 100% success rate in their operations and have great bed side manner? I don’t even know where my general practice doctor went to school but I do know when I don’t get treated well and would change doctor to one where he/she would spend proper amount of time with me. I also would ask for personal recommendation from other people. I’ve never gotten recommendation that start with, Dr. so and so went to Harvard. It’s more of, Dr. so and so doesn’t rush to get you out of the office, talk to you about a more holistic approach and truly care about your well being. As for specialist, I would care more about Dr. so and so have done 100s of so and so procedure with great success rate more than where he went to school.

[an]

[quote=harvey]Y’all are ignoring a very important aspect of the cost/benefits.

If your kid gets into the Ivy League and doesn’t go, they’ll spend the rest of their life thinking “I could have gone to …”[/quote]If you’re that smart, you wouldn’t think that way. If you do think that way, you’d probably flunk out of Elite U anyways. My friend turn down CalTech for a UC. He took a few years after his BS teaching English in Japan. By his late 20s, he’s an Engineering manager. I don’t think he think twice about his decision about turning down CalTech.

[an]

[quote=flu]So at least from the specialists I’ve seen, it mattered to me what their background, research, and area of expertise was.[/quote]You didn’t say where they went to school… I totally agree with you about those criteria and those would be mine too.

[an]

[quote=Essbee]So, like I said, it’s fine to go to a UC, but I would not advise CSU for premed students.[/quote]Really? What if you’re super smart, so you breeze through CSU pre-med with straight As, which allow you to have plenty of time to volunteer 40+ hours/week at local hospital/clinic/etc. and you ace your MCAT? Not only that, because you’re super smart and self driven, you also got your physician assistant degree too while you’re finishing up your BS at a CSU? Just like undergrad admission, I feel like grad school admission is just as complex. There’s a lot more to it than just where you went to school previously.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]So at least from the specialists I’ve seen, it mattered to me what their background, research, and area of expertise was.[/quote]You didn’t say where they went to school… I totally agree with you about those criteria and those would be mine too.[/quote]

One went to Harvard, one’s from John Hopkins, one’s from UCLA, from New Zealand

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