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February 11, 2011 at 7:24 PM #666228February 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM #665102
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ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
February 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM #665164ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
February 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM #665766ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
February 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM #665902ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
February 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM #666238ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
February 11, 2011 at 8:50 PM #665107NotCranky
ParticipantI agree that it is hard to fit multiculturalism in a nationalistic framework. Might be better to criticize nationalism.
February 11, 2011 at 8:50 PM #665169ParticipantI agree that it is hard to fit multiculturalism in a nationalistic framework. Might be better to criticize nationalism.
February 11, 2011 at 8:50 PM #665771ParticipantI agree that it is hard to fit multiculturalism in a nationalistic framework. Might be better to criticize nationalism.
February 11, 2011 at 8:50 PM #665907ParticipantI agree that it is hard to fit multiculturalism in a nationalistic framework. Might be better to criticize nationalism.
February 11, 2011 at 8:50 PM #666243ParticipantI agree that it is hard to fit multiculturalism in a nationalistic framework. Might be better to criticize nationalism.
February 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM #665112briansd1
Guest[quote=SD Realtor]
Funny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
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I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.[/quote]Gee, if you read my posts again, you’ll see that I compared the USA to Europe.
I said that we provide more opportunities for our immigrants and that’s the reason we have less social problems.
It’s not necessarily that we are better people, but we do have economies of scale. We have large immigrant economies where immigrants can thrive (little Havana, Little Saigon, Little Italy, Chinatown, etc…) even if they don’t assimilate well.
Don’t you think that our immigrants have earned what they have? Remember that they are helping grow our economy and making us all better off.
February 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM #665174Guest[quote=SD Realtor]
Funny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
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I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.[/quote]Gee, if you read my posts again, you’ll see that I compared the USA to Europe.
I said that we provide more opportunities for our immigrants and that’s the reason we have less social problems.
It’s not necessarily that we are better people, but we do have economies of scale. We have large immigrant economies where immigrants can thrive (little Havana, Little Saigon, Little Italy, Chinatown, etc…) even if they don’t assimilate well.
Don’t you think that our immigrants have earned what they have? Remember that they are helping grow our economy and making us all better off.
February 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM #665776Guest[quote=SD Realtor]
Funny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
[/quote][quote=SD Realtor]
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.[/quote]Gee, if you read my posts again, you’ll see that I compared the USA to Europe.
I said that we provide more opportunities for our immigrants and that’s the reason we have less social problems.
It’s not necessarily that we are better people, but we do have economies of scale. We have large immigrant economies where immigrants can thrive (little Havana, Little Saigon, Little Italy, Chinatown, etc…) even if they don’t assimilate well.
Don’t you think that our immigrants have earned what they have? Remember that they are helping grow our economy and making us all better off.
February 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM #665912Guest[quote=SD Realtor]
Funny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
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I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.[/quote]Gee, if you read my posts again, you’ll see that I compared the USA to Europe.
I said that we provide more opportunities for our immigrants and that’s the reason we have less social problems.
It’s not necessarily that we are better people, but we do have economies of scale. We have large immigrant economies where immigrants can thrive (little Havana, Little Saigon, Little Italy, Chinatown, etc…) even if they don’t assimilate well.
Don’t you think that our immigrants have earned what they have? Remember that they are helping grow our economy and making us all better off.
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