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February 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM #666134February 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM #665003
scaredyclassic
ParticipantWhen I think Christian values I think giving away all of my shit and living a totally simple life devoted to god.
That’s about as unamerican as it gets
February 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM #665064ParticipantWhen I think Christian values I think giving away all of my shit and living a totally simple life devoted to god.
That’s about as unamerican as it gets
February 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM #665666ParticipantWhen I think Christian values I think giving away all of my shit and living a totally simple life devoted to god.
That’s about as unamerican as it gets
February 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM #665802ParticipantWhen I think Christian values I think giving away all of my shit and living a totally simple life devoted to god.
That’s about as unamerican as it gets
February 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM #666139ParticipantWhen I think Christian values I think giving away all of my shit and living a totally simple life devoted to god.
That’s about as unamerican as it gets
February 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM #665008briansd1
Guest[quote=Djshakes]
No, that isn’t the crux of out debate. It is whether multiculturalism is a failure. I should know, I started the thread.
[/quote]Back to the article you linked to.
No, multiculturalism is not a failure.
The real failure is not providing the immigrants with a fair and proportional stake in the economy, and hence the culture.
I’m not talking about “giving away” anything to undeserving people. But when a country receives new population, it must build a framework by which the new immigrants can acquire an equity stake in the economy.
The problem with France and Europe it that they have millions of destitute immigrants who are not feeling any liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
France is an “old” country where the political and business elites are nearly all graduates of a few elite universities. Aside from the main state directed economy, there are few viable parallel immigrant communities/economies where immigrants can thrive.
The French system is good for the French but it needs to be reformed to welcome and assimilate the immigrants of a globalized world.
It’s a failure of the French political and economic system, not a failure of multiculturalism. Sarkozy is pandering to the right wing of French voters. Same goes for England and the other countries mentioned in the article.
February 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM #665069Guest[quote=Djshakes]
No, that isn’t the crux of out debate. It is whether multiculturalism is a failure. I should know, I started the thread.
[/quote]Back to the article you linked to.
No, multiculturalism is not a failure.
The real failure is not providing the immigrants with a fair and proportional stake in the economy, and hence the culture.
I’m not talking about “giving away” anything to undeserving people. But when a country receives new population, it must build a framework by which the new immigrants can acquire an equity stake in the economy.
The problem with France and Europe it that they have millions of destitute immigrants who are not feeling any liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
France is an “old” country where the political and business elites are nearly all graduates of a few elite universities. Aside from the main state directed economy, there are few viable parallel immigrant communities/economies where immigrants can thrive.
The French system is good for the French but it needs to be reformed to welcome and assimilate the immigrants of a globalized world.
It’s a failure of the French political and economic system, not a failure of multiculturalism. Sarkozy is pandering to the right wing of French voters. Same goes for England and the other countries mentioned in the article.
February 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM #665671Guest[quote=Djshakes]
No, that isn’t the crux of out debate. It is whether multiculturalism is a failure. I should know, I started the thread.
[/quote]Back to the article you linked to.
No, multiculturalism is not a failure.
The real failure is not providing the immigrants with a fair and proportional stake in the economy, and hence the culture.
I’m not talking about “giving away” anything to undeserving people. But when a country receives new population, it must build a framework by which the new immigrants can acquire an equity stake in the economy.
The problem with France and Europe it that they have millions of destitute immigrants who are not feeling any liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
France is an “old” country where the political and business elites are nearly all graduates of a few elite universities. Aside from the main state directed economy, there are few viable parallel immigrant communities/economies where immigrants can thrive.
The French system is good for the French but it needs to be reformed to welcome and assimilate the immigrants of a globalized world.
It’s a failure of the French political and economic system, not a failure of multiculturalism. Sarkozy is pandering to the right wing of French voters. Same goes for England and the other countries mentioned in the article.
February 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM #665807Guest[quote=Djshakes]
No, that isn’t the crux of out debate. It is whether multiculturalism is a failure. I should know, I started the thread.
[/quote]Back to the article you linked to.
No, multiculturalism is not a failure.
The real failure is not providing the immigrants with a fair and proportional stake in the economy, and hence the culture.
I’m not talking about “giving away” anything to undeserving people. But when a country receives new population, it must build a framework by which the new immigrants can acquire an equity stake in the economy.
The problem with France and Europe it that they have millions of destitute immigrants who are not feeling any liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
France is an “old” country where the political and business elites are nearly all graduates of a few elite universities. Aside from the main state directed economy, there are few viable parallel immigrant communities/economies where immigrants can thrive.
The French system is good for the French but it needs to be reformed to welcome and assimilate the immigrants of a globalized world.
It’s a failure of the French political and economic system, not a failure of multiculturalism. Sarkozy is pandering to the right wing of French voters. Same goes for England and the other countries mentioned in the article.
February 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM #666144Guest[quote=Djshakes]
No, that isn’t the crux of out debate. It is whether multiculturalism is a failure. I should know, I started the thread.
[/quote]Back to the article you linked to.
No, multiculturalism is not a failure.
The real failure is not providing the immigrants with a fair and proportional stake in the economy, and hence the culture.
I’m not talking about “giving away” anything to undeserving people. But when a country receives new population, it must build a framework by which the new immigrants can acquire an equity stake in the economy.
The problem with France and Europe it that they have millions of destitute immigrants who are not feeling any liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
France is an “old” country where the political and business elites are nearly all graduates of a few elite universities. Aside from the main state directed economy, there are few viable parallel immigrant communities/economies where immigrants can thrive.
The French system is good for the French but it needs to be reformed to welcome and assimilate the immigrants of a globalized world.
It’s a failure of the French political and economic system, not a failure of multiculturalism. Sarkozy is pandering to the right wing of French voters. Same goes for England and the other countries mentioned in the article.
February 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM #665013Anonymous
Guest[quote=Djshakes]Beside, how is the notion that our nation was founded on Christian values SOOOOOO offensive and damaging?[/quote]
I’m not offended by it. I’m just pointing out that it is completely incorrect.
If anything bothers me, it’s the fact that so many people refuse to acknowledge the lack of Christianity in our founding documents.
Even Allan dissapoints on this one.
But I could turn the question around: Why are you so offended by the idea that our nation was not founded directly upon Christian values. What does it change?
[quote]The foundation of this nation is our freedom. Therefore, threats against this foundation are the most offensive. I have never heard of Christian values threatening this.[/quote]
You’ve just lost all credibility with that last sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but there has to be some semblance of reality in the opposing point of view.
February 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM #665074Guest[quote=Djshakes]Beside, how is the notion that our nation was founded on Christian values SOOOOOO offensive and damaging?[/quote]
I’m not offended by it. I’m just pointing out that it is completely incorrect.
If anything bothers me, it’s the fact that so many people refuse to acknowledge the lack of Christianity in our founding documents.
Even Allan dissapoints on this one.
But I could turn the question around: Why are you so offended by the idea that our nation was not founded directly upon Christian values. What does it change?
[quote]The foundation of this nation is our freedom. Therefore, threats against this foundation are the most offensive. I have never heard of Christian values threatening this.[/quote]
You’ve just lost all credibility with that last sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but there has to be some semblance of reality in the opposing point of view.
February 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM #665676Guest[quote=Djshakes]Beside, how is the notion that our nation was founded on Christian values SOOOOOO offensive and damaging?[/quote]
I’m not offended by it. I’m just pointing out that it is completely incorrect.
If anything bothers me, it’s the fact that so many people refuse to acknowledge the lack of Christianity in our founding documents.
Even Allan dissapoints on this one.
But I could turn the question around: Why are you so offended by the idea that our nation was not founded directly upon Christian values. What does it change?
[quote]The foundation of this nation is our freedom. Therefore, threats against this foundation are the most offensive. I have never heard of Christian values threatening this.[/quote]
You’ve just lost all credibility with that last sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but there has to be some semblance of reality in the opposing point of view.
February 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM #665812Guest[quote=Djshakes]Beside, how is the notion that our nation was founded on Christian values SOOOOOO offensive and damaging?[/quote]
I’m not offended by it. I’m just pointing out that it is completely incorrect.
If anything bothers me, it’s the fact that so many people refuse to acknowledge the lack of Christianity in our founding documents.
Even Allan dissapoints on this one.
But I could turn the question around: Why are you so offended by the idea that our nation was not founded directly upon Christian values. What does it change?
[quote]The foundation of this nation is our freedom. Therefore, threats against this foundation are the most offensive. I have never heard of Christian values threatening this.[/quote]
You’ve just lost all credibility with that last sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but there has to be some semblance of reality in the opposing point of view.
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