Common sense

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present.[/quote]

So we should completely ignore history in a political discussion, and rely upon extremely broad generalizations about something as complex as religion.

Got it.

(And we’ll keep this in mind next time you bring up any historical event in one of your arguments…you don’t do that, do you?)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: We’re about to go off into the weeds here, and I want to avoid that.
[/quote]

Weeds? It’s the crux of our debate!

Simple question:

Where’s the Judaism/Christianity in our law?

There’s way too much historical ignorance in today’s political dialog, and the “our Nation was founded upon Christian values” notion is one of the most common, and most damaging offenses.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: We’re about to go off into the weeds here, and I want to avoid that.
[/quote]

Weeds? It’s the crux of our debate!

Simple question:

Where’s the Judaism/Christianity in our law?

There’s way too much historical ignorance in today’s political dialog, and the “our Nation was founded upon Christian values” notion is one of the most common, and most damaging offenses.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: We’re about to go off into the weeds here, and I want to avoid that.
[/quote]

Weeds? It’s the crux of our debate!

Simple question:

Where’s the Judaism/Christianity in our law?

There’s way too much historical ignorance in today’s political dialog, and the “our Nation was founded upon Christian values” notion is one of the most common, and most damaging offenses.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: We’re about to go off into the weeds here, and I want to avoid that.
[/quote]

Weeds? It’s the crux of our debate!

Simple question:

Where’s the Judaism/Christianity in our law?

There’s way too much historical ignorance in today’s political dialog, and the “our Nation was founded upon Christian values” notion is one of the most common, and most damaging offenses.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: We’re about to go off into the weeds here, and I want to avoid that.
[/quote]

Weeds? It’s the crux of our debate!

Simple question:

Where’s the Judaism/Christianity in our law?

There’s way too much historical ignorance in today’s political dialog, and the “our Nation was founded upon Christian values” notion is one of the most common, and most damaging offenses.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Djshakes]I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present.[/quote]

So we should completely ignore history in a political discussion, and rely upon extremely broad generalizations about something as complex as religion.

Got it.

(And we’ll keep this in mind next time you bring up any historical event in one of your arguments…you don’t do that, do you?)[/quote]

Sure, history is important. Who would deny that. But why argue history when it doesn’t depict the current status quo? You are still skirting the question I asked twice. You can argue all day that Christians killed people in the Crusades. However, Christians aren’t killing millions in the name of religion today (if they were we would never hear the end of it). So why bring up the past as if it negates the present.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Djshakes]I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present.[/quote]

So we should completely ignore history in a political discussion, and rely upon extremely broad generalizations about something as complex as religion.

Got it.

(And we’ll keep this in mind next time you bring up any historical event in one of your arguments…you don’t do that, do you?)[/quote]

Sure, history is important. Who would deny that. But why argue history when it doesn’t depict the current status quo? You are still skirting the question I asked twice. You can argue all day that Christians killed people in the Crusades. However, Christians aren’t killing millions in the name of religion today (if they were we would never hear the end of it). So why bring up the past as if it negates the present.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Djshakes]I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present.[/quote]

So we should completely ignore history in a political discussion, and rely upon extremely broad generalizations about something as complex as religion.

Got it.

(And we’ll keep this in mind next time you bring up any historical event in one of your arguments…you don’t do that, do you?)[/quote]

Sure, history is important. Who would deny that. But why argue history when it doesn’t depict the current status quo? You are still skirting the question I asked twice. You can argue all day that Christians killed people in the Crusades. However, Christians aren’t killing millions in the name of religion today (if they were we would never hear the end of it). So why bring up the past as if it negates the present.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Djshakes]I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present.[/quote]

So we should completely ignore history in a political discussion, and rely upon extremely broad generalizations about something as complex as religion.

Got it.

(And we’ll keep this in mind next time you bring up any historical event in one of your arguments…you don’t do that, do you?)[/quote]

Sure, history is important. Who would deny that. But why argue history when it doesn’t depict the current status quo? You are still skirting the question I asked twice. You can argue all day that Christians killed people in the Crusades. However, Christians aren’t killing millions in the name of religion today (if they were we would never hear the end of it). So why bring up the past as if it negates the present.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Djshakes]I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present.[/quote]

So we should completely ignore history in a political discussion, and rely upon extremely broad generalizations about something as complex as religion.

Got it.

(And we’ll keep this in mind next time you bring up any historical event in one of your arguments…you don’t do that, do you?)[/quote]

Sure, history is important. Who would deny that. But why argue history when it doesn’t depict the current status quo? You are still skirting the question I asked twice. You can argue all day that Christians killed people in the Crusades. However, Christians aren’t killing millions in the name of religion today (if they were we would never hear the end of it). So why bring up the past as if it negates the present.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5D

Are you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?

By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?[/quote]
By reminding you of the history of women as “Chattel” in the Judeo-Christian tradition, specifically connecting it to century after century of enforcement of the inferior status of women in Christendom,I thought that you might begin to challenge some of your many attribution biases.”Christianity” did not save women.[/quote]

I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present. My earlier comment was about Sharia law. My question to you was whether or not you thought women were afforded more rights under Sharia law or Christianity. You responded with a snide comment…because you know the answer negates your argument.[/quote]
It is just that it is hard to draw a comparision of women “under” Christian law. That has been remedied to a large degree for now. Where there are vestigial signs of that it doesn’t look so good.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5D

Are you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?

By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?[/quote]
By reminding you of the history of women as “Chattel” in the Judeo-Christian tradition, specifically connecting it to century after century of enforcement of the inferior status of women in Christendom,I thought that you might begin to challenge some of your many attribution biases.”Christianity” did not save women.[/quote]

I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present. My earlier comment was about Sharia law. My question to you was whether or not you thought women were afforded more rights under Sharia law or Christianity. You responded with a snide comment…because you know the answer negates your argument.[/quote]
It is just that it is hard to draw a comparision of women “under” Christian law. That has been remedied to a large degree for now. Where there are vestigial signs of that it doesn’t look so good.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5D

Are you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?

By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?[/quote]
By reminding you of the history of women as “Chattel” in the Judeo-Christian tradition, specifically connecting it to century after century of enforcement of the inferior status of women in Christendom,I thought that you might begin to challenge some of your many attribution biases.”Christianity” did not save women.[/quote]

I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present. My earlier comment was about Sharia law. My question to you was whether or not you thought women were afforded more rights under Sharia law or Christianity. You responded with a snide comment…because you know the answer negates your argument.[/quote]
It is just that it is hard to draw a comparision of women “under” Christian law. That has been remedied to a large degree for now. Where there are vestigial signs of that it doesn’t look so good.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5D

Are you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?

By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?[/quote]
By reminding you of the history of women as “Chattel” in the Judeo-Christian tradition, specifically connecting it to century after century of enforcement of the inferior status of women in Christendom,I thought that you might begin to challenge some of your many attribution biases.”Christianity” did not save women.[/quote]

I don’t care about your comparisons of the past. Last I checked we lived in the present. My earlier comment was about Sharia law. My question to you was whether or not you thought women were afforded more rights under Sharia law or Christianity. You responded with a snide comment…because you know the answer negates your argument.[/quote]
It is just that it is hard to draw a comparision of women “under” Christian law. That has been remedied to a large degree for now. Where there are vestigial signs of that it doesn’t look so good.

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