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June 5, 2012 at 9:24 PM #745106June 5, 2012 at 9:58 PM #745111
sdrealtor
ParticipantJust to clarify there are homes in 92117 with great bay views but they are in Bay Park not Clairemont. The highest concentration of high paying jobs in SD are in MM and based upon trends will continue to be so for a long time. As much as I never got MM before I get it now and wish I had invested in it long ago. CM is centrally located but is mostly a blue collar community and will continue as such for a long time. Nowhere do you see more construction vehicles parked on streets, side yards and front yards than there in central SD. There are amazing canyon view lots in MM as big and as good as any in CM also. A client closed on one recently.
June 5, 2012 at 11:36 PM #745115an
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]Just to clarify there are homes in 92117 with great bay views but they are in Bay Park not Clairemont. The highest concentration of high paying jobs in SD are in MM and based upon trends will continue to be so for a long time. As much as I never got MM before I get it now and wish I had invested in it long ago. CM is centrally located but is mostly a blue collar community and will continue as such for a long time. Nowhere do you see more construction vehicles parked on streets, side yards and front yards than there in central SD. There are amazing canyon view lots in MM as big and as good as any in CM also. A client closed on one recently.[/quote]
I was assuming BG was clumping Bay Park/Bay Ho in with Clairemont. She said 92111 specifically, but when I look at 92111, SDLookup say 92111 is Linda Vista and the price for houses in 92111 are generally cheaper than MM. When you’re talking about the best part of CM vs best part of MM.Yes, there are amazing canyon view lots in MM, and as you and I both saw, there are a few with over .4 acre flat usable lots too. But those still can’t be compare to Bay view lots in Bay Park/Bay Ho.
June 6, 2012 at 8:08 AM #745131ParticipantFwiw, 92111 is partially Linda Vista and partially CM. zip codes are postal boundaries and don’t always match city/community boundaries
June 6, 2012 at 8:27 AM #745133UCGal
Participant[quote=Rhett]Save for one grade school, the public schools in Clairemont range from average to awful. Save for one person, everybody I’ve met that owns in Clairemont either sends their kids to private school or ends up choicing their kids into a UC school (since the aging demographics there have twice as much capacity in south UC than students that live there).
This is why Mira Mesa might be a lot more attractive to some people.[/quote]
Ironically – I live in UC and am in the Curie neighborhood. I’ve got my kids (2nd son moves starting next year) at Hawthorne Elementary in Clairemont. On paper Curie looks fabulous and Hawthorne looks awful. In reality – the teachers are what counts and the seminar program at Hawthorne is beyond exceptional. Seriously, it’s an amazing program, better than the seminar program at Spreckels in the UC cluster… This is entirely because of the two teachers there and the parent foundation – plus a great principal that really puts the students needs above all. My son has been much better served by a “crappy” Clairemont school with a great schools rating of 6 than by our neighborhood school that has a great schools rating of 10.
I have quite a few friends with kids at Holmes – including another UC family who moved the child because Curie violated the IEP. Holmes is a very good school in Clairemont.
That said – probably 25-30% of the kids at Curie are from Clairemont.
I like Clairemont. First house I lived in (from coming home from the hospital after birth) was on a Mt. street. Obviously, I like south UC too – bought the house I grew up in (that we’d moved to from Clairemont) from my parents when I moved back to San Diego.
You have to look at more than just the paper ratings when looking at schools. Especially if your child is exceptional in any way at all. If there are special needs (of any kind – GATE/Seminar, ADHD, whatever… anything at all non-typical) you need to look at what each school provides to serve those needs.
Ok – off my high horse.
June 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM #745155bearishgurl
Participant[quote=AN]I was assuming BG was clumping Bay Park/Bay Ho in with Clairemont. She said 92111 specifically, but when I look at 92111, SDLookup say 92111 is Linda Vista and the price for houses in 92111 are generally cheaper than MM. When you’re talking about the best part of CM vs best part of MM.
Yes, there are amazing canyon view lots in MM, and as you and I both saw, there are a few with over .4 acre flat usable lots too. But those still can’t be compare to Bay view lots in Bay Park/Bay Ho.[/quote]
No, never “clumped.” Got two good friends in Bay Ho (92117) and KNOW the difference. One of their BY’s looks out over Sea World Tower. I am a person who shopped at Costco at the end of Rose Cyn when it was the Price Club, lol :=0 I KNOW the difference and KNOW the hoods up there. HOWEVER, the quality of construction varies wildly in 92117. Near sdr’s “fav corner” (lol) of Clairemont Drive and Clairemont Mesa Blvd, the residential construction is bad, just ba-a-a-ad, IMO. Another “bad construction” area is just west of I-805 and north of Clairemont Mesa Blvd.
Quality of construction IS worth something. Especially if one intends to buy an older home or occupy a newer home more than ten years. You can’t imagine how much shoddy grading, construction or plumbing can cost a homeowner over the long haul. Not to mention the cost and inconvenience of thin walls, zero or inadequate insulation, substandard electrical service, leaky windows and on and on.
I think buyers (esp FT buyers) get wrapped up in stucco boxes with “archways,” tile roofs, or a certain neighborhood “look” without realizing that what’s actually under the hood is horribly inferior to the ’50’s ranch. They’re hung up on the wrapping paper (which likely has been patched and painted over as well).
And don’t laugh at those small mid-century houses in Linda Vista. Most are built very, very well built :=]
June 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM #745166Participant[quote=bearishgurl]No, never “clumped.” Got two good friends in Bay Ho (92117) and KNOW the difference. One of their BY’s looks out over Sea World Tower. I am a person who shopped at Costco at the end of Rose Cyn when it was the Price Club, lol :=0 I KNOW the difference and KNOW the hoods up there. HOWEVER, the quality of construction varies wildly in 92117. Near sdr’s “fav corner” (lol) of Clairemont Drive and Clairemont Mesa Blvd, the residential construction is bad, just ba-a-a-ad, IMO. Another “bad construction” area is just west of I-805 and north of Clairemont Mesa Blvd.
Quality of construction IS worth something. Especially if one intends to buy an older home or occupy a newer home more than ten years. You can’t imagine how much shoddy grading, construction or plumbing can cost a homeowner over the long haul. Not to mention the cost and inconvenience of thin walls, zero or inadequate insulation, substandard electrical service, leaky windows and on and on.
I think buyers (esp FT buyers) get wrapped up in stucco boxes with “archways,” tile roofs, or a certain neighborhood “look” without realizing that what’s actually under the hood is horribly inferior to the ’50’s ranch. They’re hung up on the wrapping paper (which likely has been patched and painted over as well).
And don’t laugh at those small mid-century houses in Linda Vista. Most are built very, very well built :=][/quote]
OK, since you’re not referring to Bay Ho/Bay Park and were specifically talking about Mt. streets in Clairemont 92111 as the superior lots, then I’d have to disagree. The best of Mira Mesa are the ones with over .3 flat usable acre AND 90-330 degrees canyon views. Just briefly looking at houses on Mt. streets, I don’t think anything there have both of these features.Quality construction is worth something, but floor plan also is worth something. Quality construct would be worthless if the floor plan is so horrible that you’d have to tear down all the walls and reconstruct it to modern standards. You’re making blanket statements about construction superiority for areas you’ve never been to? Just because they’re newer, they new be built like crap? I’m sure houses that are standing without major problem after 30-40 years were built pretty well.
Talking about thin walls and inadequate insulations, aren’t the older houses that tend to have thin walls and inadequate insulations? I’m pretty sure some really old houses don’t even have insulations. Talking about substandard electrical service, the new houses now have the house prewired for ethernet and have a 220 Volt main breaker vs older houses with 110 Volt and no ethernet. Which is substandard when the standard today is a computer or TV in every room and those devices need to talk to each other over ethernet? I would assume there’s a higher chance of old windows leaking than new ones. But you might know something I don’t.
June 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM #745168briansd1
Guest[quote=bearishgurl]
No, never “clumped.” [/quote]
haha… I heard that one before. It’s like “refudiate” and “nukular”. I heard someone use “spurt” to mean splurge.
June 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM #745196sdduuuude
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]sdduuuude, I’m wondering why it is you have stated you want to move (to CV?) if Clairemont is your “hometown.” Do I have this correct?? Why not try to score a canyon rim property in the coming months (if you don’t already own one) and call it a day? If you already own there and can’t get the price you want from your current home, consider renting it out. As you’re probably aware, there is a great demand for rental homes in Clairemont.[/quote]
That is exactly the plan, bg. Rent out our current canyon home and move to CV. Let the kids live in it during college, if we can afford to let them live there rent-free.
Tucson is my hometown 🙂
June 6, 2012 at 9:27 PM #745200Participant[quote=sdrealtor]This one is for mi compadre sdddude. In 92117 Clairemont (not Bay Ho or Bay Park) there are 15 SFR’s on the market under $500K. Under $400K is virtually non-existant and to find it you are near the corner of Clairemont and Clairemont Mesa which locals will recognize as the Crown Jewel of CM;)[/quote]
I’m looking for a question in there and don’t see it so I get to ramble.
Definitely the housing stock in 92117 between 400K and 500K is poor compared to what it was even a year ago. The redfin chart is pretty interesting. Sold prices following listing prices up quite clearly, though the discrepancy is still really big.
92117 = Clairemont zip code. Contains nicer stuff in Bay Ho and Bay Park as well as the crappy 1-car-garage houses in the “Crown Jewel” area.
92111 = Linda Vista zip code. Has Clairemont and Linda Vista ‘hoods.
Real-estate people always say 92111 is definitely less desireable than 92117, even for comparable homes. Stupid, I agree, but that’s the deal. So, Mt. Streets south of Balboa are “Clairemont” if you are selling and “Linda Vista” if you are buying.
Redfin shows 49 homes for sale in 92117. In 2004 I was showing my parents around. There were 11 SFRs for sale in the whole zip code.
I prefer Clairemont to MM because of its proximity to the beach, La Jolla, downtown, Fashion Valley and freeway access from all sides. Dealing with Mira Mesa or Miramar as the only corridors with the military base to the south and the canyon to the north blocking access in either direction is very confining to me. I would guess Clairemont is a little cooler, too. We get good breeze from the canyons. I like the 50’s housing stock, too – fir timber, you know.
June 6, 2012 at 10:33 PM #745206ParticipantNo question intended. Just wanted to give your hood equal time. The headline was a nod to Lee Hamilton.
June 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM #745270Rhett
Participant[quote=UCGal]
You have to look at more than just the paper ratings when looking at schools. Especially if your child is exceptional in any way at all. If there are special needs (of any kind – GATE/Seminar, ADHD, whatever… anything at all non-typical) you need to look at what each school provides to serve those needs.Ok – off my high horse.[/quote]
No need to get off your high horse – that’s useful. Holmes is what I meant by the good school. But really, I wasn’t talking about grade schools – I was talking middle and high school, and I’ve heard a lot of anecdotal stories that go along with the test scores. Do you plan on sending your kids to Madison when the time comes?
bearishgurl: have not yet bought, and Clairemont is still in the game.
June 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM #745277Essbee
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]
92111 = Linda Vista zip code. Has Clairemont and Linda Vista ‘hoods.Real-estate people always say 92111 is definitely less desireable than 92117, even for comparable homes. Stupid, I agree, but that’s the deal. So, Mt. Streets south of Balboa are “Clairemont” if you are selling and “Linda Vista” if you are buying.[/quote]
Buyer or seller, I have never heard anyone refer to any of the Mtn. Streets, or anything to the north of where Tecolote Canyon crosses Genesee just south of Mesa College, as “Linda Vista”. It just isn’t correct. It’s not a blurry line; that canyon is a very clear geographical boundary between the two neighborhoods.
On the other hand, I did have ONE pizza delivery place (on Clairemont Mesa Blvd) refuse to deliver to me because I lived in 92111 south of Balboa. They said “92117 only”. Of course I never gave them a dime of my business.
June 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM #745284Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=bearishgurl]sdduuuude, I’m wondering why it is you have stated you want to move (to CV?) if Clairemont is your “hometown.” Do I have this correct?? Why not try to score a canyon rim property in the coming months (if you don’t already own one) and call it a day? If you already own there and can’t get the price you want from your current home, consider renting it out. As you’re probably aware, there is a great demand for rental homes in Clairemont.[/quote]
That is exactly the plan, bg. Rent out our current canyon home and move to CV. Let the kids live in it during college, if we can afford to let them live there rent-free.
Tucson is my hometown :)[/quote]
Aaahh, another transplanted “Aridzonian.” (They don’t call ’em that for nothing, you know ;=])
June 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM #745357svtechie
ParticipantSo if CM Drive at CMB and north of CMB just west of 805 is bad, where is the really good construction in CM? People seem to like the Mt. streets…are those places well made?
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