Carmel valley schools v. “Private schools”

[pepsi]

[quote=UCGal]Here’s a strictly anectdotal, but true, story.

Husband’s sister and her family lived in the Philly metro area – in one of the nicer suburbs. Then a job transfer moved them to Kentucky – where the schools sucked. But the kids were motivated and husband’s sister was a motivated mom – pushed her kids academically, supplementing what they were getting in school.

Nephew graduates top of his class. He got high test scores. Not surprising… He was the same smart kid in Kentucky going to crappy schools that he was when he was going to better school in the Philly burbs.

He applies to Wharton, is accepted with scholarships.

If he’d applied from a philly suburb with the same test scores, he’d have been turned down. They wanted geographic diversity and he was one of 2 students accepted from Kentucky. From a very small pool that applied There were thousands of students applying from the Philly metro area.

So… sometimes going to a crappy school IS a way to get into an Ivy college.

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Well, I guess the old rules from my country still apply here:

The best school always has:

1st grade student
2nd grade teacher
3rd grade school (hardware)
(since the school has been good for many many years with too many traditions, hence old buildings…etc)

[sdrealtor]

I would think and average to good student would do better in a private school with smaller class sizes. A well above average student would do better at one of the top public schools as they have more resources for AP courses that a private school simply could not match. Where i grew up back East the top public school students always were eons ahead of the top private school students.

[sdrealtor]

I would think and average to good student would do better in a private school with smaller class sizes. A well above average student would do better at one of the top public schools as they have more resources for AP courses that a private school simply could not match. Where i grew up back East the top public school students always were eons ahead of the top private school students.

[sdrealtor]

I would think and average to good student would do better in a private school with smaller class sizes. A well above average student would do better at one of the top public schools as they have more resources for AP courses that a private school simply could not match. Where i grew up back East the top public school students always were eons ahead of the top private school students.

[sdrealtor]

I would think and average to good student would do better in a private school with smaller class sizes. A well above average student would do better at one of the top public schools as they have more resources for AP courses that a private school simply could not match. Where i grew up back East the top public school students always were eons ahead of the top private school students.

[sdrealtor]

I would think and average to good student would do better in a private school with smaller class sizes. A well above average student would do better at one of the top public schools as they have more resources for AP courses that a private school simply could not match. Where i grew up back East the top public school students always were eons ahead of the top private school students.

[fredo4]

I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.

[fredo4]

I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.

[fredo4]

I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.

[fredo4]

I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.

[fredo4]

I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.

[equalizer]

[quote=fredo4]I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.[/quote]
All good points. I know many people in college who slept through high school and aced college. They had IQs, but were lazy in high school. So need the genetic high IQ, HS is not really important unless you want Ivy League. Is Ivy league really worth it? The WSJ article doesn’t have third comparison which is in state school comparison. It would really tilt in favor of SDSU as long as you weren’t looking for special needs such as hanging with Georgetown beltway crowd, etc

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05mar/related_05mar_teacher_ivy.htm

I think you most of you are missing big picture which is grad/professional schools. Better to go to average school like SDSU and get 3.5GPA, then you could have much better chance to get into Harvard Med, then if you went to MIT Undergrad and get 2.0 GPA with same MCAT score. I’d pick the MIT grad, but enough colleges would pick SDSU grad.

[equalizer]

[quote=fredo4]I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.[/quote]
All good points. I know many people in college who slept through high school and aced college. They had IQs, but were lazy in high school. So need the genetic high IQ, HS is not really important unless you want Ivy League. Is Ivy league really worth it? The WSJ article doesn’t have third comparison which is in state school comparison. It would really tilt in favor of SDSU as long as you weren’t looking for special needs such as hanging with Georgetown beltway crowd, etc

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05mar/related_05mar_teacher_ivy.htm

I think you most of you are missing big picture which is grad/professional schools. Better to go to average school like SDSU and get 3.5GPA, then you could have much better chance to get into Harvard Med, then if you went to MIT Undergrad and get 2.0 GPA with same MCAT score. I’d pick the MIT grad, but enough colleges would pick SDSU grad.

[equalizer]

[quote=fredo4]I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.[/quote]
All good points. I know many people in college who slept through high school and aced college. They had IQs, but were lazy in high school. So need the genetic high IQ, HS is not really important unless you want Ivy League. Is Ivy league really worth it? The WSJ article doesn’t have third comparison which is in state school comparison. It would really tilt in favor of SDSU as long as you weren’t looking for special needs such as hanging with Georgetown beltway crowd, etc

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05mar/related_05mar_teacher_ivy.htm

I think you most of you are missing big picture which is grad/professional schools. Better to go to average school like SDSU and get 3.5GPA, then you could have much better chance to get into Harvard Med, then if you went to MIT Undergrad and get 2.0 GPA with same MCAT score. I’d pick the MIT grad, but enough colleges would pick SDSU grad.

[equalizer]

[quote=fredo4]I’m a former teacher and IMO the biggest thing to look for in a school is parental involvement. It also helps if the school is hard to get in to whether it’s public or private. Schools that make you jump through a few hoops (with lotteries and other prerequisites) weed out the parents and kids that don’t care about education.

Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about the moral climate of a school than the academic climate, but the two often go hand in hand. I’m not nearly as concerned with my kids getting into elite colleges as I am with them doing well and becoming well rounded in high school.
I’ve seen too many people with elite college degrees who have done nothing with them.[/quote]
All good points. I know many people in college who slept through high school and aced college. They had IQs, but were lazy in high school. So need the genetic high IQ, HS is not really important unless you want Ivy League. Is Ivy league really worth it? The WSJ article doesn’t have third comparison which is in state school comparison. It would really tilt in favor of SDSU as long as you weren’t looking for special needs such as hanging with Georgetown beltway crowd, etc

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05mar/related_05mar_teacher_ivy.htm

I think you most of you are missing big picture which is grad/professional schools. Better to go to average school like SDSU and get 3.5GPA, then you could have much better chance to get into Harvard Med, then if you went to MIT Undergrad and get 2.0 GPA with same MCAT score. I’d pick the MIT grad, but enough colleges would pick SDSU grad.

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