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April 19, 2016 at 3:40 PM #796837April 19, 2016 at 11:45 PM #796841FlyerInHiGuest
[quote=no_such_reality]It’s hard too tell how much salt (sodium) our modern prehistoric ancestors got. Like carnivores, it depends on their meat and vital organ intake.
Those knowledgeable in it, estimate it as similar to chimpanzees which places pre-agriculture humans at aaround 750 mg sodium per day.
Without salt, even 750 mg of sodium is pretty hard to get to. A pound of game meat will come in around 250 mg[/quote]
By “no salt for me” I mean no added salt at the table and only light salt when cooking at home. At restaurant, I will say no salt, depending on my order. If fish comes with butter and sauce, then I will say no salt.
Anyway, we know what western big food has wrought us in the last 70 years. with globalization of big food, we see western type diseases all over the world. We can go on as always, and rationalize what we eat, hoping medicine will deliver cures. Or we can change our diets. It’s all a state of mind, as far as what’s enjoyable.
April 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM #796845njtosdParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]njtosd, thanks for the interesting article on stomach cancer.
The causes seem to be modern. Smoking and alcohol. I wonder if men suffer more can than women because Asian women drink and smoke a lot less. With men, it’s is a culture thing. Drinking and smoking is a sign of manhood.
Pickled salty stuff is bad. I always believed salt is bad. We get to much salt. You posted an article before that salt could be harmless. Even if salt is not bad, it’s not natural to the cavemen hunter gatherers. No salt for me.[/quote]
Probably a combination of factors. Asbestos is generally thought to be an initiator (causes cell proliferation) while alcohol and components of cigarette smoke are thought to be promoters (cause mutations). Together as cells proliferate they are exposed to mutagens that damage DNA and have the potential to cause cancer.
I’m not sure if it’s the Western diet that is causing today’s ills. People (especially the self righteous) want to believe that, but people also want to believe that vaccines cause autism. My grandparents died of heart disease at 65 (1960) eating a relatively healthy diet. The problem with both of these beliefs is that they distract people from alternative and potentially helpful lines of inquiry. Or maybe Western diets are causing problems, but not exactly for the reasons we think: http://www.medicaldaily.com/imbalances-our-gut-flora-contribute-obesity-epidemic-how-do-we-fix-341106
My belief is that if I want to believe something is true, it probably isn’t.
April 21, 2016 at 9:14 AM #796847FlyerInHiGuestnjtosd, I’m not discounting what you’re saying.
I personally don’t miss the western diet at all. I’m enjoying my low fat, low carb, high veggie and fruit diet. I drink fresh coconut water, not from bottles.
I’m younger looking and healthier than my peer.This what a billionaire is saying about longevity (billions means more credibility, right?)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2013/06/07/90-year-old-billionaire-david-murdock-doles-out-advice-on-longevity/#6c5da30255bEdit:
I’m pretty impressed that at 90 he’s riding his horses. Not an easy sport for the uncoordinated.These are the piano stairs he talked about. When you make it fun you can change behavior. Same thing with diet.
http://youtu.be/
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