Can Trump really bring jobs back?

[spdrun]

That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=spdrun]That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.[/quote]CA has an ICE checkpoint as well, usually situated just west of Winterhaven. However it was closed in recent weeks, likely due to intermittent road construction projects on I-8 for approx 100 miles. Not sure but it appears that the interstate may be in the process of widening east of the SD County mtns.

[Hobie]

Good point BG re the SNAP and other programs.
Can’t blame SK for being defensive and name calling in light of the current events surrounding Clinton.

And finally, I stand corrected re the cost of energy. I’m looking forward to Detroit blossoming in the near future other than part time and service sector jobs.

And slaves, really?

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl]Oh yeah, I know. Everyone is “deplorable” to HRC who isn’t a deep-enough pocketed donor to her foundation or campaign. Those deep pockets include the millions of “liberal elite” in CA. Having been a longtime local Dem activist myself for nearly nine years, no one knows this fact better than I do.

I don’t believe enough “minorities” (whatever that is supposed to mean) are being adequately polled by the major pollsters. The only “polls” which will be entirely believable are those votes which are cast for the November 8 election. You must know that many people aren’t going to speak their truth if they think they will just be chastised for it. Voting, whether by mail or in person, is private. This is the only act that will tell the tale.[/quote]

That’s pretty much bullshit. She was specific about who she finds deplorable. Racists. Xenophobes. Homophobes. Islamaphobes. Now the possibility exists that you don’t find any of these deplorable and you think the emancipation declaration was a mistake, and that slavery should still be legal. At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me. In which case, you fit in just perfectly with Trump voters.

Do you really think African Americans and Hispanics are lying to pollsters and claiming to support someone else and actually support Trump? Because that is the only way your claim that minorities aren’t being adequately polled works. (Unless you don’t believe in math, which given some of your claims, seems entirely possible.) I don’t know if you remember 4 years ago. But republicans across the country were “unskewing” the polls. The polls were pretty clear that Obama would win. Republicans, including some very prominent republicans were convinced otherwise. The polls ended up underestimating the Obama’s victory. So unskew, without any basis whatsoever, if it makes you feel better.

[flyer]

If Americans are really concerned about their future and the future of their children, they should be very concerned that only 10% of Americans are millionaires, and around 80% of all workers (which would encompass those from both parties) earn around $50K a year.

It’s clear that the wealth gap, among all economic strata is continuing to widen in this country, and it will be interesting to see if either candidate, if elected, can change this trend going forward. If not, there should be a lot of very disappointed voters.

[SK in CV]

[quote=spdrun]

eVerify takes care of illegal’s getting jobs and will self deport. Next a change in policy to letting the border patrol do there thing should take care of the rest.

I don’t see why immigration (legal or illegal) is a big enough deal to justify expanding the surveillance state and police state. More electronic tracking of employees is the former, increased power of the Border Patrol is the latter.

The current situation is fine. Honestly, I’d rather work with quite a few illegal immigrants vs a lot of lazy-ass locally-born folk.[/quote]

It’s not a big enough deal. Illegal immigration is at the lowest level in decades. Hispanics are crossing the border in smaller numbers than in decades. The number of undocumented in the US is at the lowest level in decades.

[Coronita]

Damn those pesky facts SK.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=spdrun]That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.[/quote]CA has an ICE checkpoint as well, usually situated just west of Winterhaven. However it was closed in recent weeks, likely due to intermittent road construction projects on I-8 for approx 100 miles. Not sure but it appears that the interstate may be in the process of widening east of the SD County mtns.[/quote]

I think it’s usually closed there. In fact, I’ve made that drive more than 20 times in the last 5 years. I’ve never see a checkpoint just west of Winterhaven. Tons of ICE agents hang out there near Gordon Wells. There’s been one on westbound 8, permanently, between El Cajon and the summit.

The highway project is between El Centro and Yuma.

[Coronita]

[quote=flyer]If Americans are really concerned about their future and the future of their children, they should be very concerned that only 10% of Americans are millionaires, and around 80% of all workers (which would encompass those from both parties) earn around $50K a year.

It’s clear that the wealth gap, among all economic strata is continuing to widen in this country, and it will be interesting to see if either candidate, if elected, can change this trend going forward. If not, there should be a lot of very disappointed voters.[/quote]

No, they should quit whining and start doing. This county was about doing, not about whining. Everyone wants to feel like a victim now, and wants government to take care of them. Home prices too high? Regulate it? Too many people doing well? Regulate that.. Too many people occupying a certain profession? regulate that. Even if you regulate everything, those people that whine still most likely can’t obtain, because they never bothered to try.

This is not a zero sum game. Your multi-millions don’t impact my well being. My net worth does not impact someone else’s net worth.

People just dont’ want to admit that they took things for granted and now that there are people willing to work harder and faster then them.. Funny that those that talk about fiscal responsibility all the sudden wants government to take care of them. Ironic actually.

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]Damn those pesky facts SK.[/quote]

Here’s some more pesky facts for those offended by the deplorable Trump supporters claim. (and before you make the asinine claim that I think all Trump supporters are deplorable, I don’t. I think most are. Facts support that.)

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/09/daily-chart-8?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2F

The Economist (a pretty conservative publication) published results of a “Racial Resentment Survey”. The variance between the median Trump and median Clinton supporter was striking, even for someone who thinks Trump is the most obnoxious character in American politics in the last 60 years.

[FlyerInHi]

A border wall would actually make it easier for crossers because you need infrastructure all along it. More roads means easier travel

[flyer]

[quote=flu][quote=flyer]If Americans are really concerned about their future and the future of their children, they should be very concerned that only 10% of Americans are millionaires, and around 80% of all workers (which would encompass those from both parties) earn around $50K a year.

It’s clear that the wealth gap, among all economic strata is continuing to widen in this country, and it will be interesting to see if either candidate, if elected, can change this trend going forward. If not, there should be a lot of very disappointed voters.[/quote]

No, they should quit whining and start doing. This county was about doing, not about whining. Everyone wants to feel like a victim now, and wants government to take care of them. Home prices too high? Regulate it? Too many people doing well? Regulate that.. Too many people occupying a certain profession? regulate that. Even if you regulate everything, those people that whine still most likely can’t obtain, because they never bothered to try.

This is not a zero sum game. Your multi-millions don’t impact my well being. My net worth does not impact someone else’s net worth.

People just dont’ want to admit that they took things for granted and now that there are people willing to work harder and faster then them.. Funny that those that talk about fiscal responsibility all the sudden wants government to take care of them. Ironic actually.[/quote]

Actually, my point, flu, was that, imo, if the 80%+ of the population, which encompasses all parties, who are not in the top net worth categories in this country (another pesky little fact) are expecting any candidate to change their lives in any meaningful, bottom line way, they are SOL.

That said, if the voting masses are happy with the meaningless bones the candidates are throwing them–in exchange for their votes–they will, most likely, get what they deserve.

[scaredyclassic]

land mines might be cheaper. a no mans zone.

bad for desert ecology tho…

[Hobie]

“The Economist (a pretty conservative publication)”
seriously!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=spdrun]That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.[/quote]CA has an ICE checkpoint as well, usually situated just west of Winterhaven. However it was closed in recent weeks, likely due to intermittent road construction projects on I-8 for approx 100 miles. Not sure but it appears that the interstate may be in the process of widening east of the SD County mtns.[/quote]

I think it’s usually closed there. In fact, I’ve made that drive more than 20 times in the last 5 years. I’ve never see a checkpoint just west of Winterhaven. Tons of ICE agents hang out there near Gordon Wells. There’s been one on westbound 8, permanently, between El Cajon and the summit.

The highway project is between El Centro and Yuma.[/quote]Yes, I know about the one 4-5 miles east of Alpine.

I myself have made the drive to/from Flagstaff (via I-8/AZ 85/I-10/I-17) 18 times in the past five years (another dozen times were directly to or from CO via I-15/I-70) where no checkpoints exist. Another handful of times (4?) were to/from TX via I-8/I-10 where two more checkpoints existed. It’s been a few years since I drove to TX directly from SD but as I recall, there used to be a checkpoint near the AZ/NM border and another between Deming and Las Cruces, NM. I can’t remember how long ago I was stopped at a checkpoint in CA but as I recall, it was on the west end of the dunes (Gordon Wells??).

To AriDzona’s credit, they now have a new fwy, the AZ 303. Now that I actually had a smart phone in my possession on the way back home last week, I was able to see it on a current map (NOT the 10+ year-old paper maps in my glove compartment) and try it out! WOW … it took an hour off my l-o-o-o-ong drive home from ABQ (with multiple construction projects) last week! The 303 got me around all the PHX rush hour mess in record time and drops onto the 10 just a few miles east of JCT AZ 85. Even though it’s like driving on the moon, it serves its purpose to Phoenician exurban dwellers, I suppose ….. it’s really fast!

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