CA income taxes increasing 2.5%?

[DWCAP]

[quote=esmith]
Again I’d like details on what you propose to cram down. Let’s remember that our public school spending (50% of the budget) is already one of the lowest in the nation, our prison system is at twice the design capacity, etc. [/quote]

Id like to know where you got the idea that CA school spending is amongs the lowest in the nation. From what i can find,

Ca is #23 in state spending per pupil at $7511/year in 2001 numbers, but hardly dead last.

http://www.epodunk.com/top10/per_pupil/index.html

In 2006 we were #29. Not an inprovemnet in any way, but hardly amongst the lowest.
http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/Articles/article.asp?title=California%20comparison

That last article I found most illuminating. I mostly ignore alot of the math they did about spending per $1000 and such. I dont find that useful due to quirks of stats.

Here is what I really was interested in:

‘California’s average teacher salary—$59,825 in 2005–06—is higher than that of any other state. However, the relatively high cost of living in California is a contributing factor. In comparisons of teacher salaries among states, both the cost of living in each state and the seniority of the workforce play a role. The American Federation of Teachers looked at average teacher salaries in 2000–01 and determined that when cost-of-living factors were taken into account, California ranked 16th in the nation.’

And:

‘Although the state’s spending on education is above the national average (by 7% for K–12 and 4% for higher education), California spends more than 20% above the average in corrections, police and fire, and health and hospitals’.

My point is basically that while CA education is by no means the best funded in the country, it isnt amongst the worst either.

[Coronita]

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if CA increased taxes on consumption.

For example, gas prices are ridiculously low now…It would be a perfect time for CA to pass an increase in fuel consumption taxes on consumers (excluding government vehicles, buses, public transportation,etc).

Increase sales tax by .5% would be another thing I think would be also opportunity.

Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.

State is broke. It needs money. What folks use should be taxed per basis of individual consumption. Folks would have the option to either consume less or pay up.

Of course, it would take another decade for anything in CA legislative to pass.

[Coronita]

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if CA increased taxes on consumption.

For example, gas prices are ridiculously low now…It would be a perfect time for CA to pass an increase in fuel consumption taxes on consumers (excluding government vehicles, buses, public transportation,etc).

Increase sales tax by .5% would be another thing I think would be also opportunity.

Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.

State is broke. It needs money. What folks use should be taxed per basis of individual consumption. Folks would have the option to either consume less or pay up.

Of course, it would take another decade for anything in CA legislative to pass.

[Coronita]

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if CA increased taxes on consumption.

For example, gas prices are ridiculously low now…It would be a perfect time for CA to pass an increase in fuel consumption taxes on consumers (excluding government vehicles, buses, public transportation,etc).

Increase sales tax by .5% would be another thing I think would be also opportunity.

Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.

State is broke. It needs money. What folks use should be taxed per basis of individual consumption. Folks would have the option to either consume less or pay up.

Of course, it would take another decade for anything in CA legislative to pass.

[Coronita]

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if CA increased taxes on consumption.

For example, gas prices are ridiculously low now…It would be a perfect time for CA to pass an increase in fuel consumption taxes on consumers (excluding government vehicles, buses, public transportation,etc).

Increase sales tax by .5% would be another thing I think would be also opportunity.

Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.

State is broke. It needs money. What folks use should be taxed per basis of individual consumption. Folks would have the option to either consume less or pay up.

Of course, it would take another decade for anything in CA legislative to pass.

[Coronita]

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if CA increased taxes on consumption.

For example, gas prices are ridiculously low now…It would be a perfect time for CA to pass an increase in fuel consumption taxes on consumers (excluding government vehicles, buses, public transportation,etc).

Increase sales tax by .5% would be another thing I think would be also opportunity.

Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.

State is broke. It needs money. What folks use should be taxed per basis of individual consumption. Folks would have the option to either consume less or pay up.

Of course, it would take another decade for anything in CA legislative to pass.

[peterb]

Let’s just raise property tax to a more “normal” level. That should cover it. It’s been stuck in prop 13 land way too long. 1974, I think it was. Time to pay up all you laggards living off the largesse of the little guy who doesnt own property, but is forced to pay taxes on every other thing imaginable, but never enjoys the incredible rise in real estate values here in CA.
Payback’s a biotch, but it’s day is coming.

[peterb]

Let’s just raise property tax to a more “normal” level. That should cover it. It’s been stuck in prop 13 land way too long. 1974, I think it was. Time to pay up all you laggards living off the largesse of the little guy who doesnt own property, but is forced to pay taxes on every other thing imaginable, but never enjoys the incredible rise in real estate values here in CA.
Payback’s a biotch, but it’s day is coming.

[peterb]

Let’s just raise property tax to a more “normal” level. That should cover it. It’s been stuck in prop 13 land way too long. 1974, I think it was. Time to pay up all you laggards living off the largesse of the little guy who doesnt own property, but is forced to pay taxes on every other thing imaginable, but never enjoys the incredible rise in real estate values here in CA.
Payback’s a biotch, but it’s day is coming.

[peterb]

Let’s just raise property tax to a more “normal” level. That should cover it. It’s been stuck in prop 13 land way too long. 1974, I think it was. Time to pay up all you laggards living off the largesse of the little guy who doesnt own property, but is forced to pay taxes on every other thing imaginable, but never enjoys the incredible rise in real estate values here in CA.
Payback’s a biotch, but it’s day is coming.

[peterb]

Let’s just raise property tax to a more “normal” level. That should cover it. It’s been stuck in prop 13 land way too long. 1974, I think it was. Time to pay up all you laggards living off the largesse of the little guy who doesnt own property, but is forced to pay taxes on every other thing imaginable, but never enjoys the incredible rise in real estate values here in CA.
Payback’s a biotch, but it’s day is coming.

[meadandale]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.[/quote]

There already IS a law that you are voluntarily supposed to pay sales tax in internet purchases that aren’t taxed.

When my accountant mentioned this to me I laughed at him and he said, “Yeah, I know…but I’m supposed to tell you.” Sorry, I’m not going to keep track of stuff I buy online and then voluntarily cough up another couple thousand in sales tax to the state. And raising the sales tax to 8.5, 9 or 10% is going to make me LESS likely to do so and MORE likely to buy more and more stuff online from out of state.

I think the graph posted above should give everyone pause. The state has fully doubled state spending in the last 10 years with property taxes at an all time high and it STILL managed to spend WAYYYYYY more than it had. Seems that the government is getting a little too fat for its own good. Hell, I can telecommute to my job; if they think they can keep raising taxes higher and higher and cut services more and more and we are just going to keep bending over to take it, they have another thing coming. Won’t take much for me to take all my earning and spending and just move it out of CA.

[meadandale]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.[/quote]

There already IS a law that you are voluntarily supposed to pay sales tax in internet purchases that aren’t taxed.

When my accountant mentioned this to me I laughed at him and he said, “Yeah, I know…but I’m supposed to tell you.” Sorry, I’m not going to keep track of stuff I buy online and then voluntarily cough up another couple thousand in sales tax to the state. And raising the sales tax to 8.5, 9 or 10% is going to make me LESS likely to do so and MORE likely to buy more and more stuff online from out of state.

I think the graph posted above should give everyone pause. The state has fully doubled state spending in the last 10 years with property taxes at an all time high and it STILL managed to spend WAYYYYYY more than it had. Seems that the government is getting a little too fat for its own good. Hell, I can telecommute to my job; if they think they can keep raising taxes higher and higher and cut services more and more and we are just going to keep bending over to take it, they have another thing coming. Won’t take much for me to take all my earning and spending and just move it out of CA.

[meadandale]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.[/quote]

There already IS a law that you are voluntarily supposed to pay sales tax in internet purchases that aren’t taxed.

When my accountant mentioned this to me I laughed at him and he said, “Yeah, I know…but I’m supposed to tell you.” Sorry, I’m not going to keep track of stuff I buy online and then voluntarily cough up another couple thousand in sales tax to the state. And raising the sales tax to 8.5, 9 or 10% is going to make me LESS likely to do so and MORE likely to buy more and more stuff online from out of state.

I think the graph posted above should give everyone pause. The state has fully doubled state spending in the last 10 years with property taxes at an all time high and it STILL managed to spend WAYYYYYY more than it had. Seems that the government is getting a little too fat for its own good. Hell, I can telecommute to my job; if they think they can keep raising taxes higher and higher and cut services more and more and we are just going to keep bending over to take it, they have another thing coming. Won’t take much for me to take all my earning and spending and just move it out of CA.

[meadandale]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Also CA should pass a law, that all purchases made on the internet shipped to CA is taxed with the state sales tax rate.[/quote]

There already IS a law that you are voluntarily supposed to pay sales tax in internet purchases that aren’t taxed.

When my accountant mentioned this to me I laughed at him and he said, “Yeah, I know…but I’m supposed to tell you.” Sorry, I’m not going to keep track of stuff I buy online and then voluntarily cough up another couple thousand in sales tax to the state. And raising the sales tax to 8.5, 9 or 10% is going to make me LESS likely to do so and MORE likely to buy more and more stuff online from out of state.

I think the graph posted above should give everyone pause. The state has fully doubled state spending in the last 10 years with property taxes at an all time high and it STILL managed to spend WAYYYYYY more than it had. Seems that the government is getting a little too fat for its own good. Hell, I can telecommute to my job; if they think they can keep raising taxes higher and higher and cut services more and more and we are just going to keep bending over to take it, they have another thing coming. Won’t take much for me to take all my earning and spending and just move it out of CA.

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