BUY AMERICAN (avoid that made in China)

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]CAR and BG – That’s been my experience and observations as well. I’m almost starting to think the subservient aspect is a myth. They’re running the show.[/quote]

Well, I have to agree with some of those statements about “maintenance” some of the imports that might have misconstrued of needing “Honda” level service…It was just that…misconstrued…As Nissan has proved with the GTR, it is entirely possible to have an import ridiculous levels of maintenance that rivals other brands, and yet have the most ridiculous self-imposed stringent restrictions, like launch control… And some of said of this imported element (symbol “WO” on the element chart) can and will be extremely volatile and unstable at high speeds. There’s a second issue with some of the imports in that. Often, the import is packaged with a lot of (relatives) options which were listed as optional equipment, but in reality come with the entire package and very rarely can be separated, in which case everything needs to be housed together under one roof.

That’s why sometimes selecting from preowned inventory might be by far a better deal.
The problem, however, has always been, that the best/most reliable domestics are usually limited in production, have a long waitlist, with very little room for negotiation.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]CAR and BG – That’s been my experience and observations as well. I’m almost starting to think the subservient aspect is a myth. They’re running the show.[/quote]

Well, I have to agree with some of those statements about “maintenance” some of the imports that might have misconstrued of needing “Honda” level service…It was just that…misconstrued…As Nissan has proved with the GTR, it is entirely possible to have an import ridiculous levels of maintenance that rivals other brands, and yet have the most ridiculous self-imposed stringent restrictions, like launch control… And some of said of this imported element (symbol “WO” on the element chart) can and will be extremely volatile and unstable at high speeds. There’s a second issue with some of the imports in that. Often, the import is packaged with a lot of (relatives) options which were listed as optional equipment, but in reality come with the entire package and very rarely can be separated, in which case everything needs to be housed together under one roof.[/quote]

Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??

[quote=flu]That’s why sometimes selecting from preowned inventory might be by far a better deal.
The problem, however, has always been, that the best/most reliable domestics are usually limited in production, have a long waitlist, with very little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]CAR and BG – That’s been my experience and observations as well. I’m almost starting to think the subservient aspect is a myth. They’re running the show.[/quote]

Well, I have to agree with some of those statements about “maintenance” some of the imports that might have misconstrued of needing “Honda” level service…It was just that…misconstrued…As Nissan has proved with the GTR, it is entirely possible to have an import ridiculous levels of maintenance that rivals other brands, and yet have the most ridiculous self-imposed stringent restrictions, like launch control… And some of said of this imported element (symbol “WO” on the element chart) can and will be extremely volatile and unstable at high speeds. There’s a second issue with some of the imports in that. Often, the import is packaged with a lot of (relatives) options which were listed as optional equipment, but in reality come with the entire package and very rarely can be separated, in which case everything needs to be housed together under one roof.[/quote]

Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??

[quote=flu]That’s why sometimes selecting from preowned inventory might be by far a better deal.
The problem, however, has always been, that the best/most reliable domestics are usually limited in production, have a long waitlist, with very little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]CAR and BG – That’s been my experience and observations as well. I’m almost starting to think the subservient aspect is a myth. They’re running the show.[/quote]

Well, I have to agree with some of those statements about “maintenance” some of the imports that might have misconstrued of needing “Honda” level service…It was just that…misconstrued…As Nissan has proved with the GTR, it is entirely possible to have an import ridiculous levels of maintenance that rivals other brands, and yet have the most ridiculous self-imposed stringent restrictions, like launch control… And some of said of this imported element (symbol “WO” on the element chart) can and will be extremely volatile and unstable at high speeds. There’s a second issue with some of the imports in that. Often, the import is packaged with a lot of (relatives) options which were listed as optional equipment, but in reality come with the entire package and very rarely can be separated, in which case everything needs to be housed together under one roof.[/quote]

Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??

[quote=flu]That’s why sometimes selecting from preowned inventory might be by far a better deal.
The problem, however, has always been, that the best/most reliable domestics are usually limited in production, have a long waitlist, with very little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]CAR and BG – That’s been my experience and observations as well. I’m almost starting to think the subservient aspect is a myth. They’re running the show.[/quote]

Well, I have to agree with some of those statements about “maintenance” some of the imports that might have misconstrued of needing “Honda” level service…It was just that…misconstrued…As Nissan has proved with the GTR, it is entirely possible to have an import ridiculous levels of maintenance that rivals other brands, and yet have the most ridiculous self-imposed stringent restrictions, like launch control… And some of said of this imported element (symbol “WO” on the element chart) can and will be extremely volatile and unstable at high speeds. There’s a second issue with some of the imports in that. Often, the import is packaged with a lot of (relatives) options which were listed as optional equipment, but in reality come with the entire package and very rarely can be separated, in which case everything needs to be housed together under one roof.[/quote]

Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??

[quote=flu]That’s why sometimes selecting from preowned inventory might be by far a better deal.
The problem, however, has always been, that the best/most reliable domestics are usually limited in production, have a long waitlist, with very little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu][quote=jpinpb]CAR and BG – That’s been my experience and observations as well. I’m almost starting to think the subservient aspect is a myth. They’re running the show.[/quote]

Well, I have to agree with some of those statements about “maintenance” some of the imports that might have misconstrued of needing “Honda” level service…It was just that…misconstrued…As Nissan has proved with the GTR, it is entirely possible to have an import ridiculous levels of maintenance that rivals other brands, and yet have the most ridiculous self-imposed stringent restrictions, like launch control… And some of said of this imported element (symbol “WO” on the element chart) can and will be extremely volatile and unstable at high speeds. There’s a second issue with some of the imports in that. Often, the import is packaged with a lot of (relatives) options which were listed as optional equipment, but in reality come with the entire package and very rarely can be separated, in which case everything needs to be housed together under one roof.[/quote]

Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??

[quote=flu]That’s why sometimes selecting from preowned inventory might be by far a better deal.
The problem, however, has always been, that the best/most reliable domestics are usually limited in production, have a long waitlist, with very little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.

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Or maybe American men prefer immigrant women because they don’t take their opportunities in this country for granted. I speak from experience.

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Or maybe American men prefer immigrant women because they don’t take their opportunities in this country for granted. I speak from experience.

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Or maybe American men prefer immigrant women because they don’t take their opportunities in this country for granted. I speak from experience.

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Or maybe American men prefer immigrant women because they don’t take their opportunities in this country for granted. I speak from experience.

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Or maybe American men prefer immigrant women because they don’t take their opportunities in this country for granted. I speak from experience.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??
[/quote]

Let’s just say, I test drove a few imports before, and a few imports had….how should I say… commitment issues. Some were downright psychos… Then there were the ones that looked like imports but were really fine domestics, but they were all spoken for by other domestics that looked domestic.

[quote]
Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Domestics usually don’t like to shop for things that look importish, even though they are domestic. It’s just how it goes. How many blond/brunette’s do you see with Asian hubby’s???

…though one exception is a beautiful bruenette that’s one of my kid’s teachers. I’m still trying to figure out that one out, but she seem pretty happy with her Chinese hubby.Plus, she is completely fluent in Mandarin, more so than me…which I thought was more impressive.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??
[/quote]

Let’s just say, I test drove a few imports before, and a few imports had….how should I say… commitment issues. Some were downright psychos… Then there were the ones that looked like imports but were really fine domestics, but they were all spoken for by other domestics that looked domestic.

[quote]
Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Domestics usually don’t like to shop for things that look importish, even though they are domestic. It’s just how it goes. How many blond/brunette’s do you see with Asian hubby’s???

…though one exception is a beautiful bruenette that’s one of my kid’s teachers. I’m still trying to figure out that one out, but she seem pretty happy with her Chinese hubby.Plus, she is completely fluent in Mandarin, more so than me…which I thought was more impressive.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??
[/quote]

Let’s just say, I test drove a few imports before, and a few imports had….how should I say… commitment issues. Some were downright psychos… Then there were the ones that looked like imports but were really fine domestics, but they were all spoken for by other domestics that looked domestic.

[quote]
Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Domestics usually don’t like to shop for things that look importish, even though they are domestic. It’s just how it goes. How many blond/brunette’s do you see with Asian hubby’s???

…though one exception is a beautiful bruenette that’s one of my kid’s teachers. I’m still trying to figure out that one out, but she seem pretty happy with her Chinese hubby.Plus, she is completely fluent in Mandarin, more so than me…which I thought was more impressive.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Flu, you sound like you could be speaking from personal experience. Mind if I ask if your spouse is an import model?? Purchased new or preowned? And can you clarify that “launch control” restriction??
[/quote]

Let’s just say, I test drove a few imports before, and a few imports had….how should I say… commitment issues. Some were downright psychos… Then there were the ones that looked like imports but were really fine domestics, but they were all spoken for by other domestics that looked domestic.

[quote]
Flu, I don’t think there have ever been a shortage of reliable domestics in this country (of ANY element). Nor do I think they were limited in production. Nor do I agree that there is particularly a long waitlist for them. However, I would have to agree that many preowned models (of both elements), especially those with optional equipment (minor children) DO have little room for negotiation.[/quote]

Domestics usually don’t like to shop for things that look importish, even though they are domestic. It’s just how it goes. How many blond/brunette’s do you see with Asian hubby’s???

…though one exception is a beautiful bruenette that’s one of my kid’s teachers. I’m still trying to figure out that one out, but she seem pretty happy with her Chinese hubby.Plus, she is completely fluent in Mandarin, more so than me…which I thought was more impressive.

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