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June 3, 2009 at 10:46 AM #410420June 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM #409889
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GuestAbout American cars, I forgot to mention that all you have to do to see the inferior quality is to open the door.
The door will swing out in a violent motion and there’s no way to gently open it to the level needed.
About food, imported or local, it’s best to eat fresh food rather than repackaged products. It’s best to cook your own food without all the grease and salt.
I bought a turbo oven, of course made in China. They claim that the bowl is from France.
http://www.frys.com/product/5065025;jsessionid=XALg7t5kfd+RhK6GTSyQ5w**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGJune 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM #410126GuestAbout American cars, I forgot to mention that all you have to do to see the inferior quality is to open the door.
The door will swing out in a violent motion and there’s no way to gently open it to the level needed.
About food, imported or local, it’s best to eat fresh food rather than repackaged products. It’s best to cook your own food without all the grease and salt.
I bought a turbo oven, of course made in China. They claim that the bowl is from France.
http://www.frys.com/product/5065025;jsessionid=XALg7t5kfd+RhK6GTSyQ5w**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGJune 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM #410374GuestAbout American cars, I forgot to mention that all you have to do to see the inferior quality is to open the door.
The door will swing out in a violent motion and there’s no way to gently open it to the level needed.
About food, imported or local, it’s best to eat fresh food rather than repackaged products. It’s best to cook your own food without all the grease and salt.
I bought a turbo oven, of course made in China. They claim that the bowl is from France.
http://www.frys.com/product/5065025;jsessionid=XALg7t5kfd+RhK6GTSyQ5w**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGJune 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM #410436GuestAbout American cars, I forgot to mention that all you have to do to see the inferior quality is to open the door.
The door will swing out in a violent motion and there’s no way to gently open it to the level needed.
About food, imported or local, it’s best to eat fresh food rather than repackaged products. It’s best to cook your own food without all the grease and salt.
I bought a turbo oven, of course made in China. They claim that the bowl is from France.
http://www.frys.com/product/5065025;jsessionid=XALg7t5kfd+RhK6GTSyQ5w**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGJune 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM #410589GuestAbout American cars, I forgot to mention that all you have to do to see the inferior quality is to open the door.
The door will swing out in a violent motion and there’s no way to gently open it to the level needed.
About food, imported or local, it’s best to eat fresh food rather than repackaged products. It’s best to cook your own food without all the grease and salt.
I bought a turbo oven, of course made in China. They claim that the bowl is from France.
http://www.frys.com/product/5065025;jsessionid=XALg7t5kfd+RhK6GTSyQ5w**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGJune 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM #409894PKMAN
Participant[quote=jpinpb]A few good things I think we make:
Craftsman tools
Bose
F-16s
Harley Davidsons
Bell helicopters
Sikorsky helicopters
Boeing jets
Ford trucks (they are good)
General Electric turbine engines
Viking appliances
Wolfe appliances
John Deere tractors
Caterpillar diesel engines
Jenn-Air
Calloway
Oakley glasses[/quote]
These products are assembled in USA with parts and components sourced from all over the world, including China.Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the most famous global-cooperation project. Companies in Japan, China and Europe make various pieces with Boeing doing the final assembly. It may not be the most cost-effective way but it is necessary to entice these foreign governments to support their country’s airliners to buy Boeing jets. If Boeing insists on 100% made in USA, it would go bankrupt since foreign airliners make up the bulk of its business nowadays.
US is perfectly capable of being 100% self-reliant, as we’re one of the very few countries in the world that have all the know-how and the natural resources to make just about anything and everything. However that’d make us another North Korea.
In the 70s, Japanese products were laughed at. In the 80s and up to mid 90s, it was the Taiwanese products (remember in the movie Armageddon the Russian cosmonaut said “Russian components, American components, they’re all made in Taiwan”…or something like that). Now it’s the Chinese.
Eventually when Chinese-made products get better (as Japanese and Taiwanese products have), we’ll find someone else to blame. I can just see it. June 4th – July 4th of 2019 will be the “anti-Bulgaria” month.
June 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM #410131Participant[quote=jpinpb]A few good things I think we make:
Craftsman tools
Bose
F-16s
Harley Davidsons
Bell helicopters
Sikorsky helicopters
Boeing jets
Ford trucks (they are good)
General Electric turbine engines
Viking appliances
Wolfe appliances
John Deere tractors
Caterpillar diesel engines
Jenn-Air
Calloway
Oakley glasses[/quote]
These products are assembled in USA with parts and components sourced from all over the world, including China.Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the most famous global-cooperation project. Companies in Japan, China and Europe make various pieces with Boeing doing the final assembly. It may not be the most cost-effective way but it is necessary to entice these foreign governments to support their country’s airliners to buy Boeing jets. If Boeing insists on 100% made in USA, it would go bankrupt since foreign airliners make up the bulk of its business nowadays.
US is perfectly capable of being 100% self-reliant, as we’re one of the very few countries in the world that have all the know-how and the natural resources to make just about anything and everything. However that’d make us another North Korea.
In the 70s, Japanese products were laughed at. In the 80s and up to mid 90s, it was the Taiwanese products (remember in the movie Armageddon the Russian cosmonaut said “Russian components, American components, they’re all made in Taiwan”…or something like that). Now it’s the Chinese.
Eventually when Chinese-made products get better (as Japanese and Taiwanese products have), we’ll find someone else to blame. I can just see it. June 4th – July 4th of 2019 will be the “anti-Bulgaria” month.
June 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM #410379Participant[quote=jpinpb]A few good things I think we make:
Craftsman tools
Bose
F-16s
Harley Davidsons
Bell helicopters
Sikorsky helicopters
Boeing jets
Ford trucks (they are good)
General Electric turbine engines
Viking appliances
Wolfe appliances
John Deere tractors
Caterpillar diesel engines
Jenn-Air
Calloway
Oakley glasses[/quote]
These products are assembled in USA with parts and components sourced from all over the world, including China.Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the most famous global-cooperation project. Companies in Japan, China and Europe make various pieces with Boeing doing the final assembly. It may not be the most cost-effective way but it is necessary to entice these foreign governments to support their country’s airliners to buy Boeing jets. If Boeing insists on 100% made in USA, it would go bankrupt since foreign airliners make up the bulk of its business nowadays.
US is perfectly capable of being 100% self-reliant, as we’re one of the very few countries in the world that have all the know-how and the natural resources to make just about anything and everything. However that’d make us another North Korea.
In the 70s, Japanese products were laughed at. In the 80s and up to mid 90s, it was the Taiwanese products (remember in the movie Armageddon the Russian cosmonaut said “Russian components, American components, they’re all made in Taiwan”…or something like that). Now it’s the Chinese.
Eventually when Chinese-made products get better (as Japanese and Taiwanese products have), we’ll find someone else to blame. I can just see it. June 4th – July 4th of 2019 will be the “anti-Bulgaria” month.
June 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM #410441Participant[quote=jpinpb]A few good things I think we make:
Craftsman tools
Bose
F-16s
Harley Davidsons
Bell helicopters
Sikorsky helicopters
Boeing jets
Ford trucks (they are good)
General Electric turbine engines
Viking appliances
Wolfe appliances
John Deere tractors
Caterpillar diesel engines
Jenn-Air
Calloway
Oakley glasses[/quote]
These products are assembled in USA with parts and components sourced from all over the world, including China.Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the most famous global-cooperation project. Companies in Japan, China and Europe make various pieces with Boeing doing the final assembly. It may not be the most cost-effective way but it is necessary to entice these foreign governments to support their country’s airliners to buy Boeing jets. If Boeing insists on 100% made in USA, it would go bankrupt since foreign airliners make up the bulk of its business nowadays.
US is perfectly capable of being 100% self-reliant, as we’re one of the very few countries in the world that have all the know-how and the natural resources to make just about anything and everything. However that’d make us another North Korea.
In the 70s, Japanese products were laughed at. In the 80s and up to mid 90s, it was the Taiwanese products (remember in the movie Armageddon the Russian cosmonaut said “Russian components, American components, they’re all made in Taiwan”…or something like that). Now it’s the Chinese.
Eventually when Chinese-made products get better (as Japanese and Taiwanese products have), we’ll find someone else to blame. I can just see it. June 4th – July 4th of 2019 will be the “anti-Bulgaria” month.
June 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM #410594Participant[quote=jpinpb]A few good things I think we make:
Craftsman tools
Bose
F-16s
Harley Davidsons
Bell helicopters
Sikorsky helicopters
Boeing jets
Ford trucks (they are good)
General Electric turbine engines
Viking appliances
Wolfe appliances
John Deere tractors
Caterpillar diesel engines
Jenn-Air
Calloway
Oakley glasses[/quote]
These products are assembled in USA with parts and components sourced from all over the world, including China.Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the most famous global-cooperation project. Companies in Japan, China and Europe make various pieces with Boeing doing the final assembly. It may not be the most cost-effective way but it is necessary to entice these foreign governments to support their country’s airliners to buy Boeing jets. If Boeing insists on 100% made in USA, it would go bankrupt since foreign airliners make up the bulk of its business nowadays.
US is perfectly capable of being 100% self-reliant, as we’re one of the very few countries in the world that have all the know-how and the natural resources to make just about anything and everything. However that’d make us another North Korea.
In the 70s, Japanese products were laughed at. In the 80s and up to mid 90s, it was the Taiwanese products (remember in the movie Armageddon the Russian cosmonaut said “Russian components, American components, they’re all made in Taiwan”…or something like that). Now it’s the Chinese.
Eventually when Chinese-made products get better (as Japanese and Taiwanese products have), we’ll find someone else to blame. I can just see it. June 4th – July 4th of 2019 will be the “anti-Bulgaria” month.
June 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM #410020patientrenter
ParticipantWell, I think most of the good arguments on both sides are laid out well here.
I’ll only add, as one of those in the pro-globalization camp, that I am very focused on the quality of what I buy, and the total value it provides me. I do favor local products in some cases. For example, wherever I have lived, I seek out the highest quality bakery, and then go to some trouble to buy from them. I deliberately pay more to help them stay in business. Why? Because I love very high quality and very fresh bread, and I will only have that if I and others pay enough for it.
Same with reliability and toxicity of products. I am happy to pay some more for known better quality for me. But I am not happy to pay more, regardless of the quality I am getting, simply because the people making the good happen to live close to me. If some Japanese people can make a better car for the price than Americans, I will buy Japanese (or vice versa). I won’t lose out if that means all cars come from Japan, so I don’t worry about making the right decision. If everyone stops buying from my favorite local baker, I won’t have any local fresh bread. Then I will lose out. So the right decision for me is to support one and not the other. Our personal preferences and circumstances dictate what local support is right for each of us.
But although I support each person exercising their own personal preferences, I remain very leery when that results in simplistic “Buy American” campaigns. Blanket statements tend to follow, like the other people make lower quality goods, or they have barbaric politics or practices. Unless justified by specifics, I think a lot of these blanket statements are misguided, show a lack of respect for others, and are the beginnings of a slippery slope to a very nasty end.
There is that famous Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I would not want New Yorkers to boycott San Diego in favor of the Finger Lakes for their vacations. I would not want Europeans or Chinese to boycott American goods just because they were American. Yes, we can argue about the pluses and minuses of specific goods, and complain about the other guy’s unfair practices, but we are simply making our world a poorer place for us all, and for ourselves, if we allow all that bickering to send us all in the wrong direction.
June 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM #410260ParticipantWell, I think most of the good arguments on both sides are laid out well here.
I’ll only add, as one of those in the pro-globalization camp, that I am very focused on the quality of what I buy, and the total value it provides me. I do favor local products in some cases. For example, wherever I have lived, I seek out the highest quality bakery, and then go to some trouble to buy from them. I deliberately pay more to help them stay in business. Why? Because I love very high quality and very fresh bread, and I will only have that if I and others pay enough for it.
Same with reliability and toxicity of products. I am happy to pay some more for known better quality for me. But I am not happy to pay more, regardless of the quality I am getting, simply because the people making the good happen to live close to me. If some Japanese people can make a better car for the price than Americans, I will buy Japanese (or vice versa). I won’t lose out if that means all cars come from Japan, so I don’t worry about making the right decision. If everyone stops buying from my favorite local baker, I won’t have any local fresh bread. Then I will lose out. So the right decision for me is to support one and not the other. Our personal preferences and circumstances dictate what local support is right for each of us.
But although I support each person exercising their own personal preferences, I remain very leery when that results in simplistic “Buy American” campaigns. Blanket statements tend to follow, like the other people make lower quality goods, or they have barbaric politics or practices. Unless justified by specifics, I think a lot of these blanket statements are misguided, show a lack of respect for others, and are the beginnings of a slippery slope to a very nasty end.
There is that famous Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I would not want New Yorkers to boycott San Diego in favor of the Finger Lakes for their vacations. I would not want Europeans or Chinese to boycott American goods just because they were American. Yes, we can argue about the pluses and minuses of specific goods, and complain about the other guy’s unfair practices, but we are simply making our world a poorer place for us all, and for ourselves, if we allow all that bickering to send us all in the wrong direction.
June 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM #410507ParticipantWell, I think most of the good arguments on both sides are laid out well here.
I’ll only add, as one of those in the pro-globalization camp, that I am very focused on the quality of what I buy, and the total value it provides me. I do favor local products in some cases. For example, wherever I have lived, I seek out the highest quality bakery, and then go to some trouble to buy from them. I deliberately pay more to help them stay in business. Why? Because I love very high quality and very fresh bread, and I will only have that if I and others pay enough for it.
Same with reliability and toxicity of products. I am happy to pay some more for known better quality for me. But I am not happy to pay more, regardless of the quality I am getting, simply because the people making the good happen to live close to me. If some Japanese people can make a better car for the price than Americans, I will buy Japanese (or vice versa). I won’t lose out if that means all cars come from Japan, so I don’t worry about making the right decision. If everyone stops buying from my favorite local baker, I won’t have any local fresh bread. Then I will lose out. So the right decision for me is to support one and not the other. Our personal preferences and circumstances dictate what local support is right for each of us.
But although I support each person exercising their own personal preferences, I remain very leery when that results in simplistic “Buy American” campaigns. Blanket statements tend to follow, like the other people make lower quality goods, or they have barbaric politics or practices. Unless justified by specifics, I think a lot of these blanket statements are misguided, show a lack of respect for others, and are the beginnings of a slippery slope to a very nasty end.
There is that famous Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I would not want New Yorkers to boycott San Diego in favor of the Finger Lakes for their vacations. I would not want Europeans or Chinese to boycott American goods just because they were American. Yes, we can argue about the pluses and minuses of specific goods, and complain about the other guy’s unfair practices, but we are simply making our world a poorer place for us all, and for ourselves, if we allow all that bickering to send us all in the wrong direction.
June 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM #410570ParticipantWell, I think most of the good arguments on both sides are laid out well here.
I’ll only add, as one of those in the pro-globalization camp, that I am very focused on the quality of what I buy, and the total value it provides me. I do favor local products in some cases. For example, wherever I have lived, I seek out the highest quality bakery, and then go to some trouble to buy from them. I deliberately pay more to help them stay in business. Why? Because I love very high quality and very fresh bread, and I will only have that if I and others pay enough for it.
Same with reliability and toxicity of products. I am happy to pay some more for known better quality for me. But I am not happy to pay more, regardless of the quality I am getting, simply because the people making the good happen to live close to me. If some Japanese people can make a better car for the price than Americans, I will buy Japanese (or vice versa). I won’t lose out if that means all cars come from Japan, so I don’t worry about making the right decision. If everyone stops buying from my favorite local baker, I won’t have any local fresh bread. Then I will lose out. So the right decision for me is to support one and not the other. Our personal preferences and circumstances dictate what local support is right for each of us.
But although I support each person exercising their own personal preferences, I remain very leery when that results in simplistic “Buy American” campaigns. Blanket statements tend to follow, like the other people make lower quality goods, or they have barbaric politics or practices. Unless justified by specifics, I think a lot of these blanket statements are misguided, show a lack of respect for others, and are the beginnings of a slippery slope to a very nasty end.
There is that famous Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I would not want New Yorkers to boycott San Diego in favor of the Finger Lakes for their vacations. I would not want Europeans or Chinese to boycott American goods just because they were American. Yes, we can argue about the pluses and minuses of specific goods, and complain about the other guy’s unfair practices, but we are simply making our world a poorer place for us all, and for ourselves, if we allow all that bickering to send us all in the wrong direction.
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