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January 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM #331207January 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM #330713
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ParticipantWould you operate a high stakes,vigilante type blog?
——————-Russ,
I would not, especially because some of the bad apples could be particularly bad. This is exactly why I commend someone who does have the guts to do it, and I would do everything in my power to protect and speak out for them.
I’ve tried to pass along some information to lenders and the FBI, but they do not have the manpower nor do they have the desire to pursue these potential cases one at a time. If someone is willing and able to pick up where law enforcement leaves off, they should be applauded and held up as heroes.
Those of us who choose to abide by the law should stand together because **we** are being ripped off by criminals in almost every aspect of our lives. Insurance, retail goods, housing, etc…all of this WE pay a higher price for because of fraud.
Until the RE industry comes clean and provides 100% transparent data, we need to rely on those who are willing to do the extra work to find the real stories behind the numbers.
As to having a lawyer present all the information, that would be exceedingly expensive. OCR, Rich and the others are providing information and spending a lot of time doing research so we can just “check the blogs” and know what’s going on for free.
The whole point of blogging is that we can side-step the advertising/administrative/operating expenses and biases of the MSM and provide information that others might not want us to know. It basically levels the playing field, and because of this, I never want to see anything that encroaches on a blogger’s rights, especially when it pertains to financial matters and events that affect other people’s lives.
January 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM #331049ParticipantWould you operate a high stakes,vigilante type blog?
——————-Russ,
I would not, especially because some of the bad apples could be particularly bad. This is exactly why I commend someone who does have the guts to do it, and I would do everything in my power to protect and speak out for them.
I’ve tried to pass along some information to lenders and the FBI, but they do not have the manpower nor do they have the desire to pursue these potential cases one at a time. If someone is willing and able to pick up where law enforcement leaves off, they should be applauded and held up as heroes.
Those of us who choose to abide by the law should stand together because **we** are being ripped off by criminals in almost every aspect of our lives. Insurance, retail goods, housing, etc…all of this WE pay a higher price for because of fraud.
Until the RE industry comes clean and provides 100% transparent data, we need to rely on those who are willing to do the extra work to find the real stories behind the numbers.
As to having a lawyer present all the information, that would be exceedingly expensive. OCR, Rich and the others are providing information and spending a lot of time doing research so we can just “check the blogs” and know what’s going on for free.
The whole point of blogging is that we can side-step the advertising/administrative/operating expenses and biases of the MSM and provide information that others might not want us to know. It basically levels the playing field, and because of this, I never want to see anything that encroaches on a blogger’s rights, especially when it pertains to financial matters and events that affect other people’s lives.
January 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM #331126ParticipantWould you operate a high stakes,vigilante type blog?
——————-Russ,
I would not, especially because some of the bad apples could be particularly bad. This is exactly why I commend someone who does have the guts to do it, and I would do everything in my power to protect and speak out for them.
I’ve tried to pass along some information to lenders and the FBI, but they do not have the manpower nor do they have the desire to pursue these potential cases one at a time. If someone is willing and able to pick up where law enforcement leaves off, they should be applauded and held up as heroes.
Those of us who choose to abide by the law should stand together because **we** are being ripped off by criminals in almost every aspect of our lives. Insurance, retail goods, housing, etc…all of this WE pay a higher price for because of fraud.
Until the RE industry comes clean and provides 100% transparent data, we need to rely on those who are willing to do the extra work to find the real stories behind the numbers.
As to having a lawyer present all the information, that would be exceedingly expensive. OCR, Rich and the others are providing information and spending a lot of time doing research so we can just “check the blogs” and know what’s going on for free.
The whole point of blogging is that we can side-step the advertising/administrative/operating expenses and biases of the MSM and provide information that others might not want us to know. It basically levels the playing field, and because of this, I never want to see anything that encroaches on a blogger’s rights, especially when it pertains to financial matters and events that affect other people’s lives.
January 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM #331153ParticipantWould you operate a high stakes,vigilante type blog?
——————-Russ,
I would not, especially because some of the bad apples could be particularly bad. This is exactly why I commend someone who does have the guts to do it, and I would do everything in my power to protect and speak out for them.
I’ve tried to pass along some information to lenders and the FBI, but they do not have the manpower nor do they have the desire to pursue these potential cases one at a time. If someone is willing and able to pick up where law enforcement leaves off, they should be applauded and held up as heroes.
Those of us who choose to abide by the law should stand together because **we** are being ripped off by criminals in almost every aspect of our lives. Insurance, retail goods, housing, etc…all of this WE pay a higher price for because of fraud.
Until the RE industry comes clean and provides 100% transparent data, we need to rely on those who are willing to do the extra work to find the real stories behind the numbers.
As to having a lawyer present all the information, that would be exceedingly expensive. OCR, Rich and the others are providing information and spending a lot of time doing research so we can just “check the blogs” and know what’s going on for free.
The whole point of blogging is that we can side-step the advertising/administrative/operating expenses and biases of the MSM and provide information that others might not want us to know. It basically levels the playing field, and because of this, I never want to see anything that encroaches on a blogger’s rights, especially when it pertains to financial matters and events that affect other people’s lives.
January 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM #331237ParticipantWould you operate a high stakes,vigilante type blog?
——————-Russ,
I would not, especially because some of the bad apples could be particularly bad. This is exactly why I commend someone who does have the guts to do it, and I would do everything in my power to protect and speak out for them.
I’ve tried to pass along some information to lenders and the FBI, but they do not have the manpower nor do they have the desire to pursue these potential cases one at a time. If someone is willing and able to pick up where law enforcement leaves off, they should be applauded and held up as heroes.
Those of us who choose to abide by the law should stand together because **we** are being ripped off by criminals in almost every aspect of our lives. Insurance, retail goods, housing, etc…all of this WE pay a higher price for because of fraud.
Until the RE industry comes clean and provides 100% transparent data, we need to rely on those who are willing to do the extra work to find the real stories behind the numbers.
As to having a lawyer present all the information, that would be exceedingly expensive. OCR, Rich and the others are providing information and spending a lot of time doing research so we can just “check the blogs” and know what’s going on for free.
The whole point of blogging is that we can side-step the advertising/administrative/operating expenses and biases of the MSM and provide information that others might not want us to know. It basically levels the playing field, and because of this, I never want to see anything that encroaches on a blogger’s rights, especially when it pertains to financial matters and events that affect other people’s lives.
January 18, 2009 at 7:03 AM #330723NotCranky
ParticipantCA renter, Well, you made a lot of good points. Hopefully the kinks will get worked out. I have enjoyed the idea that maybe some of the more corrupt facets of our society are thinking, “we better act right, those bloggers are watching us!”
Allan from Fallbrook made a good point in saying that the blogging forum is pretty green and in it’s evolutionary phases with regards to legal interpretation(paraphrasing). The good part is that it brings us together on issues that we couldn’t begin to touch in numbers, from our lives outside cyberspace.
My guess is that if we ever have anything like martial law the Internet,or at least part of it will be the first thing to get the curfew.
My pet injustices don’t really have real estate as a focus too much. I know it is a system with a lot of problems and have no qualms against saying it is a “cartel” of sorts. However a few stupid or even rogue realtors didn’t make prices go up to the extent they did. Loan terms and underwriting did. Realtors were just in the best position to be exceptionally greedy. So naturally the level of realtor on the end of these shady deals is high. Buyers would have driven them up nearly as high anway.
I also think the industry and its actors are just easier targets for people to focus on.Especially now. I mean, it is the focal point of the “American Dream”. Hearts are made and broken with this stuff apparently. All jobs & industries have ethical baggage and bad players. It is just way less exciting. In the case of individual players there are few “professions” that make the bs component more clownishly apparent than many Realtors do. If I had not pondered this and put it into perspective as compared to the other crap people do in almost all professions it would be impossible to be a realtor.
I think , that a lot of this backlash comes from people’s disappointments with their own situation relative to the “American Dream”. I bet when either people buy, or come to realize only they are stopping themselves from owning this vigilance will go away.
My guess is that if this last paragraph were not true and injustice was our main aim,we would be blogging about women and children being buried in their houses in Iraq or world hunger or something like that, instead of when we are going to buy our relative palaces and all the jackasses that messed it up.
January 18, 2009 at 7:03 AM #331060ParticipantCA renter, Well, you made a lot of good points. Hopefully the kinks will get worked out. I have enjoyed the idea that maybe some of the more corrupt facets of our society are thinking, “we better act right, those bloggers are watching us!”
Allan from Fallbrook made a good point in saying that the blogging forum is pretty green and in it’s evolutionary phases with regards to legal interpretation(paraphrasing). The good part is that it brings us together on issues that we couldn’t begin to touch in numbers, from our lives outside cyberspace.
My guess is that if we ever have anything like martial law the Internet,or at least part of it will be the first thing to get the curfew.
My pet injustices don’t really have real estate as a focus too much. I know it is a system with a lot of problems and have no qualms against saying it is a “cartel” of sorts. However a few stupid or even rogue realtors didn’t make prices go up to the extent they did. Loan terms and underwriting did. Realtors were just in the best position to be exceptionally greedy. So naturally the level of realtor on the end of these shady deals is high. Buyers would have driven them up nearly as high anway.
I also think the industry and its actors are just easier targets for people to focus on.Especially now. I mean, it is the focal point of the “American Dream”. Hearts are made and broken with this stuff apparently. All jobs & industries have ethical baggage and bad players. It is just way less exciting. In the case of individual players there are few “professions” that make the bs component more clownishly apparent than many Realtors do. If I had not pondered this and put it into perspective as compared to the other crap people do in almost all professions it would be impossible to be a realtor.
I think , that a lot of this backlash comes from people’s disappointments with their own situation relative to the “American Dream”. I bet when either people buy, or come to realize only they are stopping themselves from owning this vigilance will go away.
My guess is that if this last paragraph were not true and injustice was our main aim,we would be blogging about women and children being buried in their houses in Iraq or world hunger or something like that, instead of when we are going to buy our relative palaces and all the jackasses that messed it up.
January 18, 2009 at 7:03 AM #331137ParticipantCA renter, Well, you made a lot of good points. Hopefully the kinks will get worked out. I have enjoyed the idea that maybe some of the more corrupt facets of our society are thinking, “we better act right, those bloggers are watching us!”
Allan from Fallbrook made a good point in saying that the blogging forum is pretty green and in it’s evolutionary phases with regards to legal interpretation(paraphrasing). The good part is that it brings us together on issues that we couldn’t begin to touch in numbers, from our lives outside cyberspace.
My guess is that if we ever have anything like martial law the Internet,or at least part of it will be the first thing to get the curfew.
My pet injustices don’t really have real estate as a focus too much. I know it is a system with a lot of problems and have no qualms against saying it is a “cartel” of sorts. However a few stupid or even rogue realtors didn’t make prices go up to the extent they did. Loan terms and underwriting did. Realtors were just in the best position to be exceptionally greedy. So naturally the level of realtor on the end of these shady deals is high. Buyers would have driven them up nearly as high anway.
I also think the industry and its actors are just easier targets for people to focus on.Especially now. I mean, it is the focal point of the “American Dream”. Hearts are made and broken with this stuff apparently. All jobs & industries have ethical baggage and bad players. It is just way less exciting. In the case of individual players there are few “professions” that make the bs component more clownishly apparent than many Realtors do. If I had not pondered this and put it into perspective as compared to the other crap people do in almost all professions it would be impossible to be a realtor.
I think , that a lot of this backlash comes from people’s disappointments with their own situation relative to the “American Dream”. I bet when either people buy, or come to realize only they are stopping themselves from owning this vigilance will go away.
My guess is that if this last paragraph were not true and injustice was our main aim,we would be blogging about women and children being buried in their houses in Iraq or world hunger or something like that, instead of when we are going to buy our relative palaces and all the jackasses that messed it up.
January 18, 2009 at 7:03 AM #331163ParticipantCA renter, Well, you made a lot of good points. Hopefully the kinks will get worked out. I have enjoyed the idea that maybe some of the more corrupt facets of our society are thinking, “we better act right, those bloggers are watching us!”
Allan from Fallbrook made a good point in saying that the blogging forum is pretty green and in it’s evolutionary phases with regards to legal interpretation(paraphrasing). The good part is that it brings us together on issues that we couldn’t begin to touch in numbers, from our lives outside cyberspace.
My guess is that if we ever have anything like martial law the Internet,or at least part of it will be the first thing to get the curfew.
My pet injustices don’t really have real estate as a focus too much. I know it is a system with a lot of problems and have no qualms against saying it is a “cartel” of sorts. However a few stupid or even rogue realtors didn’t make prices go up to the extent they did. Loan terms and underwriting did. Realtors were just in the best position to be exceptionally greedy. So naturally the level of realtor on the end of these shady deals is high. Buyers would have driven them up nearly as high anway.
I also think the industry and its actors are just easier targets for people to focus on.Especially now. I mean, it is the focal point of the “American Dream”. Hearts are made and broken with this stuff apparently. All jobs & industries have ethical baggage and bad players. It is just way less exciting. In the case of individual players there are few “professions” that make the bs component more clownishly apparent than many Realtors do. If I had not pondered this and put it into perspective as compared to the other crap people do in almost all professions it would be impossible to be a realtor.
I think , that a lot of this backlash comes from people’s disappointments with their own situation relative to the “American Dream”. I bet when either people buy, or come to realize only they are stopping themselves from owning this vigilance will go away.
My guess is that if this last paragraph were not true and injustice was our main aim,we would be blogging about women and children being buried in their houses in Iraq or world hunger or something like that, instead of when we are going to buy our relative palaces and all the jackasses that messed it up.
January 18, 2009 at 7:03 AM #331247ParticipantCA renter, Well, you made a lot of good points. Hopefully the kinks will get worked out. I have enjoyed the idea that maybe some of the more corrupt facets of our society are thinking, “we better act right, those bloggers are watching us!”
Allan from Fallbrook made a good point in saying that the blogging forum is pretty green and in it’s evolutionary phases with regards to legal interpretation(paraphrasing). The good part is that it brings us together on issues that we couldn’t begin to touch in numbers, from our lives outside cyberspace.
My guess is that if we ever have anything like martial law the Internet,or at least part of it will be the first thing to get the curfew.
My pet injustices don’t really have real estate as a focus too much. I know it is a system with a lot of problems and have no qualms against saying it is a “cartel” of sorts. However a few stupid or even rogue realtors didn’t make prices go up to the extent they did. Loan terms and underwriting did. Realtors were just in the best position to be exceptionally greedy. So naturally the level of realtor on the end of these shady deals is high. Buyers would have driven them up nearly as high anway.
I also think the industry and its actors are just easier targets for people to focus on.Especially now. I mean, it is the focal point of the “American Dream”. Hearts are made and broken with this stuff apparently. All jobs & industries have ethical baggage and bad players. It is just way less exciting. In the case of individual players there are few “professions” that make the bs component more clownishly apparent than many Realtors do. If I had not pondered this and put it into perspective as compared to the other crap people do in almost all professions it would be impossible to be a realtor.
I think , that a lot of this backlash comes from people’s disappointments with their own situation relative to the “American Dream”. I bet when either people buy, or come to realize only they are stopping themselves from owning this vigilance will go away.
My guess is that if this last paragraph were not true and injustice was our main aim,we would be blogging about women and children being buried in their houses in Iraq or world hunger or something like that, instead of when we are going to buy our relative palaces and all the jackasses that messed it up.
January 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM #330888jpinpb
ParticipantOCR – Thanks for putting up your blog again!
This whole real estate does affect us much more than the atrocities occurring in other countries. Many of us were not interested in risking it all on liar loans to get our foot in the door and “buy” a house. Though many of us would like to own, it was obvious that purchasing w/those type of loans did not make sense to many of us.
The tax burden from the whole banking crisis will also affect us. All of it is personal when you look at it that way.
January 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM #331225ParticipantOCR – Thanks for putting up your blog again!
This whole real estate does affect us much more than the atrocities occurring in other countries. Many of us were not interested in risking it all on liar loans to get our foot in the door and “buy” a house. Though many of us would like to own, it was obvious that purchasing w/those type of loans did not make sense to many of us.
The tax burden from the whole banking crisis will also affect us. All of it is personal when you look at it that way.
January 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM #331302ParticipantOCR – Thanks for putting up your blog again!
This whole real estate does affect us much more than the atrocities occurring in other countries. Many of us were not interested in risking it all on liar loans to get our foot in the door and “buy” a house. Though many of us would like to own, it was obvious that purchasing w/those type of loans did not make sense to many of us.
The tax burden from the whole banking crisis will also affect us. All of it is personal when you look at it that way.
January 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM #331329ParticipantOCR – Thanks for putting up your blog again!
This whole real estate does affect us much more than the atrocities occurring in other countries. Many of us were not interested in risking it all on liar loans to get our foot in the door and “buy” a house. Though many of us would like to own, it was obvious that purchasing w/those type of loans did not make sense to many of us.
The tax burden from the whole banking crisis will also affect us. All of it is personal when you look at it that way.
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